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'Coming to our Census' series explores demographic issues

Published: Saturday, June 23 2012 1:00 p.m. MDT

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raybies
Layton, UT

Assimilation is a long process, sure, but one advantage Utah has is its strong-values, in particular its religious background. The LDS faith has the potential to enliven underprivileged people of all origins. It values education, hard work, and family. These values create a strong and viable society that can weather any demographic.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

@raybies
Sadly, assimilation isn't even their goal. We are well on our way to becoming Quebec (but probably not Bosnia).
Jacob Vigdor at Duke did a census analysis of assimilation trends. It is a fascinating look at our future.
But alas, the Deseret News and reporter Cortez are busy putting lipstick on a pig.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

No.

79Ute
Orange County, CA

Assimilation needn't be a long process - it wasn't for my grandparents who both emigrated to Utah in the late 19th century. They learned a new language, worked their way through school at the U, found a career in NYC, and raised their family in a community teeming with other immigrants. Their neighbors were of different races, ethnicities, religions, and political persuasions, but they shared a common goal: assimilation. They didn't abandon their heritage, but they embraced their new country. My grandfather received a silk, pocket-sized American flag the day he took the oath of citizenship, which he carried in his wallet the rest of his life. My grandparents and others like them assimilated quickly because they wanted to. Today's immigrants who want to can and do assimilate - even in places like Orange County, which used to be a lily-white Republican bastion but now enjoys remarkable racial, ethnic, religious, and political diversity.

dumprake
Washington, UT

These far out, radical predictions rarely come true. Maybe Utah will become a land of minorities, and maybe it won't. Just as computer models predict (absurdly, I might add) that the earth will be so hot we cannot live on it 2100, that the rising seas will flood half the land mass on earth, etc, etc. Fact is, the earth is not warming, seas are not rising, and the promised land called the United States is becoming so economically unattractive, that immigrants, legal or illegal, and not all that excited about coming here anymore. The U.S. unemployment rate is higher than many countries in the western hemisphere, and the authoritarian trend under Obama and the Democratic socialists in this country, is now discouraging many from coming here. In fact many Americans are now beginning to leave for better places to live. I wouldn't put a lot of stock in the conclusions of this story.

sally
Kearns, UT

We have white elderly friends who are leaving America, to retire in Mexico. They have lost so much of their investments they cannot afford to live in the communities where they have raised their families. Soon, the ethnic groups will have created a third world environment in America with no one of wealth left to give them handouts.

danaslc
Kearns, UT

Utah Welcome's all Legal Immigrants who come here, work, Pledge allegiance to our Flag, make Utah a better place to live. Illegal Immigrants who come here to commit crime, fraud our welfare system, have children to gain entrance, entitlements and take not give to Utah, (NO!)

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

Utah's schools are being starved at the most critical time as the state grows more diverse. This will lead to huge challenges ahead and I predict much of it won't be pretty.

roswell
Saint George, UT

I believe it is silly to keep identifying people by the appearance of their skin. It only serves to perpetuate perceived differencess and foster division among people who, in reality, are all children of God. Can't we get beyond this?

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

The vast majority of the world's population has brown skin and black hair.
What does it matter that non-lily white people move to Utah? If skin color bothers you, you've got some huge problems.

t702
Las Vegas, NV

As an immigrant, I love everything this country stands for that's why I raise my children to be American first and nothing else.

I don't understand why people move to the US or foreign country and whine about the new language and environment. It drives me nuts to see the US government change the rules that only benefit some minority groups. I support English as the official language and those that don't want to learn should pack their belongings and go back to where they came from, it's that simple. If you don't want to assimilate, do us a favor don't come to the US.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

Of course ethnicity and culture are two completely different things. This article seems to attempt to conflate the two. Ethnic diversity is fine. Cultural diversity is NOT necessarily fine. Utah and the country have become flooded by a culture which disrespects this country and many of the principles upon which it was founded, including the rule of law. This is NOT good for America. In fact, it is very BAD for America. The Deseret News article largely sidesteps this issue, of course. I respect the Velasquez's for coming to this country legally.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

My concerns with 'the changing face of Utah'...

1) If you move here, learn English. I'd learn French if I moved to France. Pretty simple.

2) I'm fine with a white minority someday. I'm not fine with Utah's cultural identity changing. I would NEVER move to mexico and try to establish a BBQ-fest to make Americans feel more at home and expect the state to pay for it cause I'm a minority.

3) While I wouldn't establish BBQ-fest on another people's dime, others not only do that here but arrogantly devalue or disrespect American culture. I've known people who come here and practically hate anything that is American culture, food, language, etc.

I appreciate other cultures completely. I just won't pay for it via government. Utah should do things the Utah way just as other countries do their thing. I expect immigrants to try to appreciate and show respect to my culture and their new home, not try to change it. If they do that becoming a minority shouldn't be a threatening concept to anyone.

Culture shock shouldn't happen at home.

ticoloco
Tooele, UT

As a Latino man i came legally to this beautiful state 24 years ago.Since then I have make many friends white and othes nationalities. But things has change I see the far right and the far left of many people trying to capitalized from the situation of the illegal immigrants, why do they just try to tell congress to come up with a practical solution to benefit the families and in hope that after that new laws will finally put a solution to this sad time that we are facing and then a new era of understanding and progress for our state and country will come. It comes to my mind Rodney King words "CAN WE JUST GET ALONG".

vance
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

What? Do you not have compassion for those students who have just graduated and can't find jobs?

Do you not have compassion for those barely squeaking by, while our gov.steals money from our wallets to support those who came here illegally milking the system.

Go to a premier showing at a movie theater and there's a block long line. How far would you get walking up to the ticket window so you can buy the first ticket.

Not far, then why would we cater to those who have illegally crossed our border when there are thousands who have been waiting 15 years (the right way)to come here to be with THEIR families. We know them, their health, their backgrounds, their purpose.

If you are not boarding Illegals, giving them food, paying for their education, teaching them a job skill, paying for their medical THEN DON'T TELL US YOU ARE TAKING MONEY FROM OUR WALLETS to do so. You are a Socialist, a Communist, or a progressionist (same thing). You are not a Constitutional loving American.

Come here, assimilate here, love america but do it the right way. Don't try change our rules. Be American.

Cougar Claws
Lindon, UT

Amen to most of what was previously said. America is a great country for a reason. America was BUILT UP as something great through hard work, honesty, integrity, and through the blood, sweat, and tears of our forbears. Our generation is fighting to keep it that way. If you want to come to this country to contribute to, and give to what we have built, then great, you are more than welcome. If you want to continue to build American culture then great. But if you want to come here to leech off the system and make it another third world country, please go back home. In the words of the previous poster, BE AMERICAN. We will only be a free nation as long as we continue to live by the values this country was built on.

Jeromeo
Salt Lake City, UT

Lest we forget, Utah recognizes the domain of the Ute Indians. It was second choice to "Deseret" (name of this newspaper?) Most Mexicanos are of Spanish/Native American mix. So what, if they are coming home? We sent them there in there in the first place. Re: Trail of Tears.

Mr. Bean
Salt Lake City, UT

@Say No to BO:

"Sadly, assimilation isn't even their goal."

You got that right.

Why should Hispanics assimilate when they are pouring into this country and Utah by the millions? Which means they have their own communities where language, customs, etc., changes are not necessary. Get ready to eventually need learning and speaking Spanish... in America!

m.g. scott
LAYTON, UT

Assimilation can only happen when all groups speak the same language. Right now the trend in the U.S. seems to be a two language country being acceptable. Won't work.

Cougar Claws
Lindon, UT

Re: Mr. Bean

If they want to fulfill their reasons for coming here (partaking of opportunities), that means becoming educated and learning English, which requires being here legally. I applaud the families who have followed the rules and got to where they are they right way. When we get legislation who will finally address these issues, your "millions of Hispanics" who are here illegally will need to go back to where they came from until they can get earn their way here the correct way.

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