I would agree with SoonerUte, Notre Dame each November would be great!Naval Vet, isn't it interesting that for 2012 Phil Steele lists
BYU's Strength Of Schedule at 89 and Utah's at 113?
U-H AlumSo let me get this straight. You post innumerable posts dishing
hate on BYU any way you can while thumping your own chest about your golfing
prowess and high ACT and GPA. So let me ask you this: If you are so wonderful,
why are you SO insecure, "bro?"
@Bluto"Recent analysis, taking into consideration 7 factors, Top
25 finishes, Academics, National Brand, Attendance, Stadium size etc....ranks
BYU 35th in D-1 value and Utah 59th."You said there was a
criteria of 7? I only see 5. What publication is this? Please advise.Also, you just compared them. You said byU is 35th and on a spiral downward
and Utah is 59th and on the rise with a higher over-all BCS ranking since 1999
than our true little band of brothers from Provo.Here's to all
the exposure in the world for byU with no possibility to ever play for a NC
again. Here's to Utah having the possibility to play for a PAC
12 Title and possible NC every year.I know, reality hurts.
NightOwlAmericaYou obviously don't have a clue what BYU's
ratings were last season, because they were more than FOUR times the rating for
Utah's game - that is, when you could actually find a Utah game being
televised.One thing is certain; our little brothers from the hill
will be tuned in to every BYU game to satisfy their big brother obsession.
skywalker said:"Real fans understand the power of playing
Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night games."Yawn.Only if
they are watching.Yes real fans watch their teams. But BYUs ratings last
year proves they are a time slot filler at best. People are not interested in
WAC teams other than WAC fans.
@Utah-Hawaii Alum Your continual arguments only demonstrate that BYU
looms very very large in your life.Generations of dominance by BYU in all
sports, is absolutely taking it's toll on U.National Awards,
Exposure, Championships, All-Americans, Hall of Famers, etc. by BYU, must must
be very painful for you to endure.Long before Utah backed it's
way into the Pac 10, BYU was already playing home and homes against USC, UCLA,
Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St., Arizona, ASU, Washington and Washington
St.Sorry silly Utes, BYU has already been there and done all that,
long before Utah was even on their map.Know this, that your ranting,
multiple times, on every BYU article, simply demonstrates that U are not yet
secure in your Own skin, regarding BYU.We understand.You
simply cannot compare BYU's Brand and Marketability in Football to
Utah's.Recent analysis, taking into consideration 7 factors,
Top 25 finishes, Academics, National Brand, Attendance, Stadium size
etc....ranks BYU 35th in D-1 value and Utah 59th.BYU will have 8-10
games on a Major Network again this year...And Utah again, Will Not!Recruits are taking notice, and Utah is nervous.
Utah-Hawaii AlumBefore spouting off about Thursday, Friday and
Saturday night games, you might want to do a little more research so you
won't look quite so foolish next time:"Real teams play on
Saturday, some local Cougar-haters insisted in online comments.""I would actually make the opposite case," said Ilan Ben-Hanan,
ESPN’s vice president, programming and acquisitions. "When we talk to
our conference partners, we always make a specific point about the power of
playing those Thursday- and Friday-night games.""Thursdays
have become the college equivalent of the ESPN’s "Monday Night
Football." "We try to treat our Thursday-night football
schedule the way we treat our Monday-night football schedule in the NFL,"
said Ben-Hanan. "We try to put premier games there — top
matchups.""And ESPN has made its Friday-night schedule a
priority, attempting to build it into a second Thursday."ESPN’s new deal with the Pac-12 "complements what we’re doing
with BYU."Real fans understand the power of playing Thursday,
Friday, and Saturday night games.
U-H Alum"You people chastise Utah, Wazzu and OSU all the
time."I haven't seen any BYU fans chastising Wazzu or OSU -
simply stating that neither one of them was very good in 2011, WSU(4-8) and
OSU(3-9) isn't CHASTISEMENT, it's simply stating the truth. I doubt
you'd find very many Wazzu or Beavers fans who would disagree. The same goes for Utah in 2011 - one big win over BYU does not a season make.
If Utah fans were at all honest with themselves they'd admit that losing to
Colorado and Arizona State was an embarrassment, and Utah's losses to
Washington and California weren't much better. Did you even pay attention
to how awful ASU was during the last two-thirds of the season? Six losses in the
Sun Devils' final 8 games, but they did manage to stomp Utah in RES and
they destroyed Colorado 48-14.
patriot"it used to be that the Y could recruit receivers like
Austin Collie ...but no more"Obviously, you haven't
followed BYU recruiting enough to know that Dylan Collie, Austin's younger
brother, has already signed with BYU and will be joining the Cougars this
fall."BYU will never get a decent home game again as an
independent"Texas (Sep), Georgia Tech (Oct), and Boise State
(Oct) coming to LES in 2013 (and all scheduled AFTER BYU announced its
independence) disproves another one of your hair-brained predictions. Also, BYU will be playing Notre Dame on November 16th, 2013. More wishful
thinking from the kids on the hill disproven.
Who is excited about the BYU home schedule this year? Anyone? Exactly my point.
The November schedule is pathetic - play hard guys and if you do you might get
an invite to the Armed Forces Bowl to play Navy. Also - it used to be that the Y
could recruit receivers like Austin Collie ...but no more. Can you imagine
Collie being content running 5 yard routes for little Reily Nelson? BYU will
never get a decent home game again as an independent and that is pretty sad for
the fans. Come on Holmoe, wake up and smell the roses - this experiment into
independence is a complete bust and so is this new run and boot offense!
"BYU recruited me for a jazz music scholly and I told them to get
lost!"Yet, you weren't recruited to BYU articles, and you
can't stay away. Do us all a favor and pretend BYU articles are BYU
"jazz music scholly"'s from now on.
@ Thesportsauthority,Well, football and basketball is another
story.........true? You people chastise Utah, Wazzu and OSU all the time. Well,
that is all you have bro. No Cali PAC school will touch BYU. There are zero
games scheduled in the future. And, Utah will demand a 2-1 if BYU wants to play
them again. Hey cuz, reality is brutal sometimes.
ND95CAI didn't mention what Utah and Notre Dame's relationship
is, was, or cold be. I was only commenting on the information related to the
article. I know what Utah's relationship with Notre Dame is; nonexistent.
How does that change the BYU/ND relationship which pertains only to a six year
agreement to play four football games in Indiana and two in Provo. You are off
topic. My comment was on topic.Sorry that you experienced rude Utah
fans at ND Stadium. My entire family was there and I am certain they were not
among the rude. They take losses like adults.
Oh really sir, then why were they not busted like the LDS Church? Hey bro, the
results speak volumes sir. Hey, BYu cannot schedule a PAC Cali school.
Sorry U-H, but despite your bitterness and hatred of all things BYU, the fact
that USC, CAL, UW, OU, UCLA, and Stanford have not scheduled a football game
with BYU in the last couple of years proves nothing.BYU plays UCLA,
Stanford and USC in men's volleyball every year.BYU competes
against almost all of the PAC 12 schools in Indoor Track & Field.The Cougars played baseball at Stanford this past season.And
guaranteed, BYU and California will be playing each other again in Rugby.It's simply a matter of time before the California schools begin to
appear on BYU's schedule again.
BYU is being televised for only their first 4 games on the ESPN networks and one
game against ND on NBC So, if BYU is 1-3 after the first four weeks, will
ESPN call Tommy Holmoe begging for more mediocre BYU broadcasts? I think not. By
the way, ESPN only pays BYU for home games, not road games.
Utah-Hawaii AlumThe Catholic Church was just as influential in
defeating Prop 8 in California as the Mormon Church, and, aren't the
majority of students at Utah also Mormons? Here's little eye-opener for you
- the majority of students attending California and Stanford think of Utah as a
MESOUTE"The following is the extent of how much Notre Dame cares
about Utah:"one-and-done and good riddanceThe Utah
fans I saw at Notre Dame were some of the rudest, most obnoxious fans I've
ever seen in Notre Dame Stadium.
"BYU recruited me for a jazz music scholly and I told them to get
lost!"Sorry, but it sounds like your "Honor Code" issue
was really just a lack a maturity issue as evidenced by your mom's
reaction. Nobody gets that upset simply because they're ASKED to abide by a
particular school's standards.btw, nobody at BYU is compelled
to tattle on anybody, and every student who chooses to attend BYU knows exactly
the standards they're expected to follow; the standards may be different,
but the exact same commitment to standards is also expected of every cadet
attending the Air Force Academy or any other military academy. Who you have
reacted the same way if you'd been recruited to play in the AFA band?
After Prop 8 passed in California, doesn't anyone find it odd that ZERO
Cali PAC 12 schools will schedule BYU ever again? According to BYU fans, Utah,
OSU and Wazzu are bottom feeders.........well, that is who they are playing this
year. Has USC, CAL, UW, OU, UCLA, or Stanford scheduled BYU in the future? Of
course not. And so will Utah. BYU is VERY OLD news folks!
Notre Dame is on NBC in the early afternoon on NBC every Saturday. BYU is on
late games on "off days." Yeah, who will watch a team that stinks like
BYU? Notre Dame is legendary and the most popular team in this country.....I
have always loved watching their bouts. BYU, are you serious?.........nobody
cheers for that team.
@ SportsFan,It doesn't matter one iota. BYU is in serious
trouble. NOBODY will watch that pathetic November schedule. Not a soul.
The following is the extent of how much Notre Dame cares about BYU:a
Six year contract to play football. Four games in Indiana and two games in
WACy"Only a delusional BYU fan would think that people watch the
Cougars more on ESPN. Than people watch Notre Dame on NBC."Only
a green with envy Utah fan would draw that conclusion from phoenix's post.
There's no significant difference between a national broadcast on ESPN and
a national broadcast on NBC, they're both national broadcasts and the vast
majority of college football fans have access to both. Nobody said that
BYU's audiences are as big as Notre Dame's, but BYU's audiences
are significantly bigger than Utah's audiences - that's not just
hyperbole, that's a FACT!
Can I say this, who is gonna watch BYU's schedule in November on BYUtv?
Wow, probably nobody!
I want to audit an anthropology class at BYU. That would be funny! Better yet,
can I study Freud, Voltaire, Thomas Jefferson, or a myriad of other genius minds
at BYU? Absolutely not a chance. BYU is unique. That is a fact!
I was a professional trumpet player and a McDonald's All-American since the
9th grade. College is for adults! If you "choose" to go to BYU, you know
what the rules are. For that school to enforce a "Honor Code" defeats
their purpose. Everyone knows what the LDS folks expect.......seriously. What
always urked me, is that they have an organization at BYU that compels kids to
tattle on one-another. Sad, in the purest sense of the word.
phoenixGilbert, AZU-H rejected BYU golfer wannabeDespite
your meaningless hyperbole, BYU's 8-year contract with ESPN is just as much
a NATIONAL contract as Notre Dame's contract with NBC - only a delusion BYU
hater would try to claim that game times are a factor - the ONLY factor in
determining whether a contract is a national contract is whether the games are
televised nationally - which, unlike Utah's regional PAC 12 channel games,
BYU's game have been and will continue to be.fyi, BYU's
games last season averaged over FOUR TIMES more viewers than Utah's
games.__________________Only a delusional BYU fan would
think that people watch the cougars more on ESPN. Than people watch Notre Dame
I remember when the BYU music dept. came to my parent's home to recruit
me.........of course BYU's "Synthesis" band was great..........I
knew, and knew that. Then, they handed me the "Honor Code"
papers........I cannot tell you folks what I said, but my mom slapped me VERY
hard. How many recruits have felt the same way?............LOTS!
idablu...and over and over and over and over again.
I think I'm with Bronco.........he places football 5th on his list of
priorities, and surfing #1. I think I'll call and invite him to surf the
North Shore on Oahu in February. We will get some monster tubes
together.........but it is VERY dangerous!
Who, in this world, would NOT accept a full ride scholarship to play golf for
the University of Hawaii? Not one soul on this planet. I had so much fun, a
great education and lived in Hawaii for free for two years. Man O
man.........maybe Provo, Utah is way better? BWAHAHAHAHA! Utah Lake smells so
wonderful, doesn't it?
@ Phoenix,Oh contraire my friend......... BYU recruited me for a
jazz music scholly and I told them to get lost! I went to the U on a full ride.
When my little bro, a great golfer and captain of the U golf team for all 4
years, now an ER doc, was recruited by UH, he turned them down because their
pre-med program wasn't up to snuff. But, he did say, talk to my brother,
because he is a great golfer, ranked #39 in the NCAA my senior year at UH, which
I was, then UH gave me the full ride they offered my lil' bro. I graduated
from Utah early and got a FREE MBA from UH. Say what you want bro........BYU
stinks! By the way, I scored a 33 on the ACT and had a 3.97 GPA at Cottonwood
HS. I actually rejected an academic scholly to Yale and Princeton. Go drink some
more blue Y KoolAid!
U-H rejected BYU golfer wannabeDespite your meaningless hyperbole,
BYU's 8-year contract with ESPN is just as much a NATIONAL contract as
Notre Dame's contract with NBC - only a delusion BYU hater would try to
claim that game times are a factor - the ONLY factor in determining whether a
contract is a national contract is whether the games are televised nationally -
which, unlike Utah's regional PAC 12 channel games, BYU's game have
been and will continue to be.fyi, BYU's games last season
averaged over FOUR TIMES more viewers than Utah's games.
BYU in the BCS era is the "Liberty U of the west" certainly not a Notre
Dame, in the least. I love watching Notre Dame play prime time games on NBC
against great teams on every Saturday afternoon. Millions and millions of fans
feel the same way. They are the ONLY school to have a national contract. Oh, and
of course, a midnight game EST on Thursday, BYU vs NMSU, or the
likes............all 7.5 billion souls on this earth will be tuned in to watch
BYU win............a "storied" program for sure?
It's touching that our little brothers are soooooo "concerned" with
their big brother's future. The truth is, Utah fans are green
with envy of the local and national media attention constantly being received by
the Cougars. Despite their power conference status and claims that they've
left BYU behind, Utah fans remain obsessed with and crave the constant attention
of their big brother.One thing's for sure, Utah will NEVER be
compared to Notre Dame - a legacy program with national championships, Heisman
Trophy winners, national college football hall of fame players, and a national
Notre Dame is HUGE nation wide - in Football Notre Dame is legendary and has
always been an independent. BYU has found itself in independence waste land not
by choice but because they couldn't get into the Pac12 or Big12. Where else
do they go? Back to the Mountain West? How many more years are fans going to
flock to Edwards Stadium to watch Weber State or Idaho?? Really - BYU has fallen
so far so fast it makes the head spin.I remember back in the 80's and
90's going to Provo to watch a top 10 BYU play Notre Dame or UCLA or Penn
State. HUGE games that were so fun to watch. I watched BYU beat Miami and saw
the goal posts torn down. Now you get to see BYU play teams that are barely
division one. Let's stop fooling ourselves here and state the obvious - BYU
is in BIG trouble and this sort of mediocrity can't continue for long
before the recruits begin to dry up and the national brand turns into a has
been. It's Big 12 or bust for the Y!!
Utah-Hawaii Alum"BYU has never spoken to the Big 12 EVER, which is a
fact."Oh, so Chip Brown must have been lying in his recent
interview. As a fellow Dallas resident, I hope you recognize he is one of the
best connected media types on the Big12. The following is a quote from a recent
interview."The Big 12 identified BYU as a potential expansion
target when Dan Beebe was commissioner. BYU was a serious candidate for
expansion until last September, when OU destabilized the Big 12 when it tried to
go to the Pac12. At that point, BYU officials were turned off by the instability
and backed away, saying it cherished its independence."Please
stick with Utah and Hawaii. U don't seem to know so much about BYU, other
The ONLY ones comparing BYU to Notre Dame, or suggesting Notre Dame would look
out for BYU's interests are the Ute Trolls. The article merely states that
concessions made to Notre Dame MAY have a positive impact on other independents.
Of course ND is only looking out for themselves. The only ones stating otherwise
are the same irrational, BYU-obsessed trolls with their same old, tiresome,
straw man arguments over and over and over again.
Maybe BYU should join the PAC12...hahahahahahah
Ernie is right - they are a totally different species. And a ute is a species
all of its own, too.
"Utah does not need BYU anymore"Juice Box - thanks for your
honesty as a ute by admitting the truth, i.e., pre-pac 12 affiliation, utah
NEEDED BYU. @morepunkt, etal, and you ute gloaters - utah
wouldn't be where they are today without BYU. Come to terms with it and
give credit where credit is due. Now go win a few conference championships, and
then we will talk some more.
Is there meat here. The content covers the gamet, but seems to me to be all over
the place as well. College football could have a complete makeover
today or 5 years down the road. There are constantly these unknowns. BYU
definitely fits that bill. Notre Dame is the big piece and distates what many
schools do (BCS affiliates or not. Independence was the right move
for BYU. It just has all the unknowns and and schedule sore spots that are part
of the package. That package does include ESPN and BYU TV. Which means
independent control and national exposure. Is that exposure the kind that really
compliments BYU though? Playing patsies for half your schedule is sketchy for
Juice Box Eureka, UT"Utah does not need BYU anymore. BYU
needs to realize this."And yet here you are. Again.idablu Idaho Falls, IDI appreciate that we can can agree to
disagree. I DO think that if Utah were willing to tell the PAC that they were
going to play their real rival in November, it would be worth a two for one.
However, the odds of Utah telling the PAC anything more than "yes sir",
"no sir", and "how high?" are pretty slim.But,
honestly? If we could get a game in November with a high profile team, we
would. Later on I'm sure we will. In the mean time?
I wouldn't call byu and Notre Dame brothers. They aren't even of the
One last thing Bluto... I don't know what song sheet you are reading from
on the whole Championship thing, but BYU does not have the same shot at a
national championship under that program as a champion of an elite conference...
If we were to go undefeated in 2014 year (with a schedule that includes November
games with Idaho or Idaho State, or Weber State or New Mexico State) and there
were 5 or 6 other teams in the 4 + 2 elite conferences (the +2 being the ACC and
the BE) that only had 1 or maybe even as many as 2 loses, BYU still
wouldn't get into the NC Playoffs... The only way BYU makes it is if the
Conference Champs have crappy records and BYU is playing decent teams in
November with limited Thursday and Friday night play.
Notre Dame is "brothers in independence" with BYU as much as...Fresno State and Nevada were "brothers in WAC" when BYU tried to join
the WAC at the expense of the MWC.@BlutoIf Utah
can't compete in the PAC-12 then how do you think a team that gets pounded
54-10 at home will do?
@Bluto... You sound like you may have been BYU's Representative in these
conference negotiations... Heck, you might have even been one of the worthless
lawyers that cost us membership in an elite conference... I hate to break it to
you guy, but BYU's poop stinks just like everyone elses... When you come
from a smaller, less decorated, conference and want an invite to an elite
conference you are going to have to give some... You certainly don't apply
for membership acting like you are on the same footing as UT, USC, ND or even
Stanford... That's precisely the attitude that has BYU on the outside
looking in.TCU and UWV gave a ton to be invited into the Big 12...
Utah had to sacrifice financially the first year or two... The reason that they
did this was because they saw that the Big 12 was going to be a smarter and more
lucrative move down the road...When you throw out the old
"Exposure" talking point you expose yourself. BYU also wants a
reputation for world class quality... Playing Idaho, NMS and Idah State in
November while other programs play for Conference Championships is a joke.
BYU isn't interested in competition anymore. They will never get a chance
to participate in the playoff. They are more interested in selling Utah County
canning advertisements on their dreck of a TV station, and trying to get BYU
(with the worst announcers this side of Provo High) to prop up the
I'm not sure Notre Dame has any intention of helping out BYU. I think they
are concerned with their own self-interest. Right now BYU wants a deal where
they get the advantages of being in a major conference along with the advantages
of being independent. I don't think anyone is interested in helping them
have it both ways either.
The article was not written by a national writer. It was written by a BYU fan
for BYU fans. Wake me once the national article comes out stating the same.
This story is alot of peculative, wishful thinking. Most
knowledgable commentators on the meeting suggested that ND was representing
itself, Navy by the Big East, but Army and BYU were unrepresented. To suggest otherwise, is to ask your readers to look at BYU's problem of
getting a seat at the table with the major BCS conferences with blue colored
glasses. Based on this meeting one can say with certainty, BYU is
no Notre Dame and likely never will be.
re: Bluto 3:52 p.m. June 23, 2012"BYU is not giving up their new
gains. They didn't spend 50-100 million on their Broadcast facility and
BYU-TV to give away all control of their own product.."Nothing
screams inferiority and insecurity like the overwhelming need to draw attention
to/shamelessly promote yourself. "It's about exposure for
BYU, not money. Money is not now, nor has it ever been a problem, for BYU.400k living Alumni and 14 million LDS see to that."Not all LDS
members are Y fans. Look in your own ward. Further, its been my understanding
that tithes do *NOT* subsidize athletics in Provo. re: Bluto 4:22
p.m. June 23, 2012"More like....Wazzu or Oregon State"Wash St has been to the Rose Bowl & Ore St has been to a BCS game
(lit ND up like a Xmas tree as I recall). So, your attempt @ putdown is actually
The bottom line is BYU has never been offered an invite from a top BCS
conference.........and it will never, EVER, happen.
BlutoSandy, UT@mtseatss"We know, we know, Utah is in
the Pac 12 (they wear the Logo on their helmets)....Utah...U are
Not...USC, Oregon, Stanford, Washington, ASU or even CalMore like....Wazzu or Oregon State---So you are
predicting two more losses for the cougars this season? Look at our schedule
because we play Wazzu & Oregon St. So comparing them to Utah makes three
losses so far in 2012.I just don't understand why my fellow BYU
fans are so obsessed with what Utah does. If anyone cared about our mighty WAC
legacy we would have joined a power conference decades ago.
BYU has never spoken to the Big 12 EVER, which is a fact. All th wishfule BYU
homers tell me when they did.........on the "record."
@ Bluto,Baylor is liberal? BWAHAHAHAHA! Yeah bro, they sure are. The
entire world worships BYU.
@mtseatss"We know, we know, Utah is in the Pac 12 (they wear the
Logo on their helmets)....Utah...U are Not...USC,
Oregon, Stanford, Washington, ASU or even CalMore like....Wazzu or
@Utah-Hawaii AlumUtah is in the Pac because Baylor was kicked out of
the Original Southwest 6 proposition, Comm. Scott's "Dream
Scenario".Those Liberal-Lefty Schools would never allow Baylor,
BYU or even a Notre Dame to join their group.Not only are
Utah's Academics inferior to BYU's (BYU ranks #71 vs Utah #124 among
the Nations Universities) but the Athletic Achievements of BYU vs Utah are not
even comparable..Don't Even Go There, with a straight face.U
think your gymanstics program and a few good seasons in football got U into the
Pac?LOLNo, they (The Pac) were left with nothing else, because
they prematurely invited Colorado, in order to eliminate Baylor, not knowing it
would prevent the other Southwest 5 from joining the Pac.Scott
gambled and lost.Colorado was left hanging when Scott and the
Presidents rejected the Religiously affiliatedBaylor Bears.The
same reason Glenn Tuckett stated in the mid-80's that..."BYU will be admitted to the Pac 10 today, if left up to the AD's,
but the Presidents will "Never" allow, not just BYU per se, but any
Faith Based School to join theirleague.
"I know, Notre Dame, Notre Dame is a friend of mine, BYU you are no Notre
@poymanBYU won't beg on all fours, as you put it, for you or
anybody else.BYU is not giving up their new gains.They didn't
spend 50-100 million on their Broadcast facility and BYU-TV to give away all
control of their own product..It's about exposure for BYU, not
money. Money is not now, nor has it ever been a problem, for BYU.400k living Alumni and 14 million LDS see to that.Accomodations
are made all the time to particular programs.Texas gets to keep their own
Network. USC and Stanford can still play Notre Dame, outside of
September.3rd Tier rights are not all equal, even within a Conference
dynamic.If the Big East or Big 12 wants BYU and BYU wants the Big
12/East, then things may be worked out....Or not.Either way, BYU is
set.The new 4 team playoff, gives everybody an equal shot.The
AQ's and BCS are going away in 1014.Win enough games, schedule
strongly enough and everybody at least gets a shot. And 95% of all
College Teams, will be out of the National Championship picture, 4 weeks into
Sure a lot of utes throwing smack. I wonder why they even care? Envy?
Insecurity? Certainly these posts aren't born of confidence.
Notre Dame is like the Kennedy Family of college football. They haven't
been relevant for a really long time, yet people still fawn over them.
What is quite evident here is that the insecure, little brothers from Utah just
can't get BYU out of their minds.Their entire self worth is
dependent upon BYU collapsing.Weird, just so weird. The U fans
sure don't look like they have put BYU in their rear view mirror. Utah can't hold a candle to BYU's Brand. seeESPN.Utah
fans' continual obsession with all things BYU, makes for a great case study
in the dynamics of Inferiority Complex and Obsession.U fans have
been looking for BYU's Demise, because U know U can never catch up to their
athletic achievements, all sports.It's really quite sad and
pathetic at this point.BYU will ultimately do what is best for BYU
and Utah will have a very difficult time competing in any Sport in the Pac.The notion that BYU has never talked with the Big 12, Big East or Notre
Dame is simply illogical.After this Notre Dame series , BYU will
have played Notre Dame 12 times. And they've never spoken to them?Memo to Ute fans....Move on and BYU is here to stay and keep U up at
Pretty funny. All these Ute fans screaming of BYU's irrelevance, yet there
are probably as many comments by Utes as Cougars. I would NEVER go onto the Ute
board and comment. Don't have the time, don't care. They are not
relevant--no more so than Colorado, Washington St. or San Diego St. Apparently BYU is very relevant to you. We still get you worked up.PS--also funny that you are knocking our strength of schedule for the last 5
years or so. The UtEs are a part of that schedule, so that is a knock on UtEs
not BYU. Also, you had pretty much the same MWC schedule so who are you to
talk? Maybe you had a higher SOS because you played BYU and not yourselves.
Benderman1 says "Now, take a look at BYU's 2013 and 2014
schedules"You must have access to some other future schedule with more
impressive opponents.2013 Texas at Notre Dame (excellent), Boise, Ga
Tech, at WSU (good), then Hawaii, USU, Houston (OK)2014 at Texas
(excellent), at Boise (good), then Houston, USU, Hawaii, Southern Miss, and UCF
(nothing to get excited about).Maybe you're hoping some of
those "TBA" turn into something more exciting than New Mexico State?
What am I missing? We may different perspectives. That is a great schedule
when compared to the old MWC days, but for someone raised on BCS football, its
not an attention getter.
@Benderman... You are dreaming... I love BYU and have disdain for Utah but you
can't manipulate truth... You act like someone all of a sudden made BYU
leave the MWC for Independence like they had no choice...Anyway you want to
slice it, the timing on that move was terrible...And @BYU-Hawaii in
Dallas, TX... I too live and work in Dallas, TX part of the year and your claim
that the BIG 12 never talked with BYU is factually incorrect... BYU and the Big
12 have had several conversations... The problem was that BYU thought that they
were a prize catch and hot commodity last August and September and as a
consequence they managed to send the Evangelicals from the Big 12 in other
directions... BYU blew it. We should have jumped on the Big
12's flitation with all fours and we didn't... As a result Holmoe,
Samuelson, The Board of Trustees and the BYU Faithful looked silly and today we
look desperate... The Pollyannas of of the BYU support crowd dine on sour grapes
and the only ones being fooled are the folks eating the grapes. I personally
hold Holmoe responsible. We need a conference.
I love how some people take jabs at BYU scheduling Idaho, Weber State, and New
Mexico State. What those people keep forgetting (can't blame them, after
all, they're mostly Ute fans) is that BYU had to create schedules for their
first two years very quickly and there wasn't many options. I'd love
to see the Utes try to put an independent schedule together with practially no
notice and see how they do. Now, take a look at BYU's 2013 and 2014
schedules and let's compare those to Utah's so called "tough"
PAC schedule. Those upcomming schedules are why BYU fans are happy about the
strength of schedule focus. Utah on the other hand will continue to play scared
by looking for the Northern Colorado's for their non-conference. This new
post season change is starting to make independence look VERY nice!
Utah was invited to the PAC because of recent football successes, tremendous
legacy top ranked basketball and gymnastic teams, and it is in the top 5
research schools in the world. It is a secular school that fits in perfectly
with the PAC. It is currently ranked by ARWU at 78th in the world in terms of
academia and with the new dental school and biometric facilies on the
docket..........Utah with be ranked much higher. Although BYU has a fine
athletic program, they're ONLY undergraduate university, little academic
freedom at all, and is ranked 387th in the world, hardly a PAC institution.
Coupled with the obvious social problems, BYU should ONLY do missionary work in
the future. That will come to fruition within the next 10 years.
@ Williary,Even the Pope called the BCS to PLEASE include the
"storied" BYU program in the national scene. Heck, the Pope told me he
did! He knows how to make things happen!
I find it interesting that no one has mentioned one point here. Quality wins.
Cougar fans brag about all their 10+ win seasons yet they are still lacking the
national respect they need for a proper conference invite. The solution to
BYU's problems is quite simple - WIN YOUR BIG GAMES!!! BYU has a much
better schedule this year and next. As a Ute fan, I am actually looking forward
to watching a few of their games. 10+ win seasons over crap teams has netted
them nothing. I think Utah's PAC-12 invite was partially a result of Utah
having some very successful seasons, resulting in a couple of very nice BCS
wins. If BYU could do something similar, it would go a LONG WAY in solving their
problems, worries, and concerns. Quit worrying about whether or not Notre Dame
cares about you. Quit comparing yourselves to other programs. Just win your
games and make some noise nationally and very good things will come to you.
Nothing solves problems like having an occasional breakout season. BYU
hasn't had one of those for quite some time. No one cares about 1984. Win
win win!!! This season will be telling......
@ Mildred in Fillmore,byU is the most popular team in the world! If
you don't watch byU football, you are lame! They are ESPN darlings, always
viewed prime-time and have better TV ratings than the olympics. The current
worldwide "exposure" is making byU a household name, like apple pie,
Chevrolet and Thomas Edison. Goooooooooo Cougars!
There's no doubt that Notre Dame is including BYU with themselves in these
negotiations. There's no doubt they will walk away from the bargaining
table if the other participants refuse to give BYU the same status as mighty
Notre Dame. There's no doubt when all is said and done, BYU will have as
good a shot as anyone to play in this new playoff.Yeah, that's
really how ridiculous you BYU fans sound. It's hard to believe until you
hear it from sone else, isn't it!
If only we could return to the days of Glen Tuckett and President
Holland...These two had good relationships with Conference Commissioners and
ADs... At that time the PAC 10 wanted BYU but BYU wouldn't leave the WAC
unless Utah came with them... Today Holmoe and Samuelson with their bevy of
Attorneys have alienated BYU with these entities and their relationship with
these folks are cordial best... I am relatively certain that had
Glen Tuckett been the AD last Fall we would be bragging about our newly acquired
membership in the BIG 12 Conference today.
Please folks, stop talking about a BYU Big 12 invite. I live in the heart of Big
12 country, follow it very closely and BYU has NEVER spoken to the Big 12
ONCE!!!!!! Tevas athletic director Deloss Dodds was asked twice in press
conferences if BYU was ever considered to join the Big 12.......he said
"No!" both times. Also, BYU certainly doesn't fit in with the Big
12 culture whatsoever. They would face instantaneous vetos by Baylor, TCU and
OSU if they were ever truly considered. Additionally, the Big 12 just told
Florida St and Clemson they were not interested in expanding when they inquired
3 weeks ago. BYU football is in serious trouble, as we all know. Oh well?
BYU > Notre Dame
I like the independent schedule because it allows BYU to schedule some opponents
that otherwise wouldn't be able to if BYU were in a conference and plus the
national exposure with ESPN! I think it will be tough logistically to do this
in the future because big conferences are going to nine conference games and
some conferences are setting up scheduling agreements with other conferences. I
think BYU needs to try and join the Big 12, and if not at least join the Big
East. If BYU is too late to the party, they might have to go back to the MWC or
join the MAC or C-USA. I think BYU will make a big statement on the
field this year to bolster their chances to join the Big 12 or Big East. They
were really on a roll last year, and I think the momentum will continue!
Nobody from the Big 12 office EVER talked to BYU. Not one time! This just
wishful thinking by desperate BYU fans and the university.
Sammyg. I am far from a Ute Aran, just look at the total schedules of the
SEC, Big 10 big 12 etc and other than a couple og games they are head to head
with reallyntough teams. If you consider wash St and Oregon St tough opponents
go ahead. The Y schedule bottom feeds on other conferences this year but it
does get better give them credit for that.
NOBODY advocates on behalf of BYU at the negotiation table... nobody except BYU
themselves.Come on Cougie fans, come back down to Earth. You're
Indy because you thought you could schedule any team, any time.Reality hurts when you look at your current situation and November schedule,
BYU Joe, that is a well reasoned post. You say "BYU is going to enjoy a
steady diet of a rotation of good teams". The truth is that means "in
September". BYU needs to nail down Notre Dame as their annual
November game. It doesn't have to be the last game of the year, just
sometime in November, not October. That would go a long way towards getting
fans to accept this independent route.A couple of marquee teams in
September, one in October, and Notre Dame in November would make a nice season.
Fans, coaches, and players said they miss having something to play for in
November. Notre Dame could give them that spark.
sammyg:"BYU's second season schedule in independence is
exponentially better than any other conference season it's had and should
continue to improve as things evolve."Not according to Phil
Steele. Phil ranked your preseason SOS for 2012 at #81. Here is how he ranked
your Final SOS over the past 5 seasons:2007 (MWC): #612008
(MWC): #862009 (MWC): #752010 (MWC): #552011 (WAC): #102So it looks as though your BEST strength of schedule existed during your
final season in the MWC. And by a LOT! In fact, your 2012 season is projected
to be only marginally more competitive than only ONE of those MWC seasons.But congratulations on beefing it up over last seasons. #102? How
As a long time fan of ND who's attended ND home games for the past 15 years
- I feel fairly connected to what the fans/media/coaches have to say about
bYu.The answer is.....nothing.bYu is throwing around the
word "brothers" like some family blood connection. The truth is, bYu
isn't even on the ND radar. Notre Dame has been doing the
independent gig forever...the last thing the need is some intern newbee acting
as if they're some long time soul mates...after 12 months of
independence.Trust me, ND has never uttered the word bYu in any
meetings....they simply don't exist.
Y Grad / Y Dad:"...I could now advocate a two for one with Utah.
If U grew a spine and told the PAC, 'we will play our rival, BYU, in
November...'"I think Dr. Hill and Mr. Scott might find that
to be a reasonable accomodation. Now all you need to do is pick up the phone
and call Holmoe, and pitch that idea to him. Because I think we both know
Holmoe has been all out of ideas these past 2 yrs, and it isn't as though
he'd be on the other line with the Big 12 [*snicker*]!
"Athletic director Tom Holmoe told the media in April that he is constantly
monitoring the situation. He added that the school has a contingency plan for
every scenario and will continue to adjust those plans as necessary."And by "constantly monitoring the situation", Holmoe means
he's still waiting for the Big 12 to call. And we all already know what
his contingency plan was. The WAC! Of course the WAC
will be dead after the 2012 season. What will his 2nd contingency plan be?C-USA? Plus 2 FCS teams instead of 1?"One of Jack
Swarbrick's main talking points during the playoff meetings has been making
sure the strength of schedule is a focal point in deciding which teams might be
included in the playoffs. That would probably work in favor of a team like BYU,
which can schedule whoever they want."But they they
"want" to schedule weak-WAC and FCS teams. Incorporating SOS into the
selection process HURTS the Indy-WACers.
@sammygI'm not buying it. BYU's schedule is still not
impressive. You bash Utah for being a Pac-12 "bottomfeeder" and then
turn around and pound your chest about having Utah, Wazzu and Oregon St. on the
schedule. Can't have it both ways. Same goes for Georgia Tech. BYU fans
downplayed GT after the Sun Bowl. Are they a quality opponent or not?The jury is still out on Boise St. They have been a solid team for the past
decade but they lost a lot last year. I wouldn't be surprised to see them
take a little step back. Notre Dame seems to be working itself out of the dark
ages and USU is improving but still can't get over the hump. That leave
four, borderline, unwatchable games. Three being late in the season when things
are supposed to be most exciting.Another point you fail to mention
is that the only somewhat interesting game BYU has at home is USU. You may be
happy with how independence is working out, but there has to be a ton of
frustrated season ticket holders and boosters.
Although I don't think it is in BYU's interest to Join the Big East, I
do think they blew it with the Big 12. I do think there is some truth to
Poyman's post in that BYU may be perceived as being too high maintenance.
That may be in part due to the No-Sunday rule, but I'm sure BYU's
reluctance to compromise on their broadcasting rights sticks in the craw of
most BCS ADs.Although I'm in the join-a-conference camp, what
BYU really needs is some more really big names, like Texas, USC, Oklahoma, and
maybe some SCC schools to leave their conference for the more lucrative (by self
broadcasting) independent road. That may be the future 10 years from now, but
right now it looks like Conference alignment is where it is at.
@YGradYou and I are usually on the same page on most BYU topics, but on
this one we disagree. BYU doesn't need Utah on their schedule any more than
Utah needs BYU on theirs. At the current time slot BYU can get any number of
quality teams to play in Sept. to replace Utah. Although I understand the need
for a quality opponent in Nov., a 2 for 1 with Utah is just not worth it.
Especially when 2 for 1 opportunities with much bigger name schools are out
their. Besides, if ther is no room in Utah's (and PAC-12's) schedule
in Sept., there certainly won't be in November.
Jeff Call writes a lot of words basically dancing around the truth... and that
truth is that as the playoff discussions proceed, BYU has no advocate at the
table.Every conference and Notre Dame is representing its own
interest. No one is advocating for BYU... no one.To suggest that
what is good for Notre Dame is good for BYU is absurd. With one
phone call Notre Dame can schedule a game with any team in the country... BYU
cannot.With one phone call Notre Dame can join any conference in the
country... BYU cannot.And to suggest that a 4 for 2 scheduling
arrangement with Notre Dame suggests an alignment of interests between BYU and
Notre Dame is ridiculous. BYU is not Notre Dame... At the playoff
negotiating table Notre Dame is representing its own interests... BYU is not
even an afterthought.
I think Y Grad is showing what poyman is writing about... high maintenance.The rivalry will be over because of the Stubbornness in Provo about the
2-1 at BYU.Utah does not need BYU anymore. BYU needs to realize
Relax people about BYU's scheduling of New Mexico St., idaho, and San Jose
St. The WAC will be finished in football after this year anyways. BYU will play
better competition than that next year and beyond and how do I know this? ESPN
contract. Teams will want to play BYU because that game will be televised and
that is a win-win situation for both teams. I do agree that if ND jumps ship to
a different conference BYU will too.
This is just another "Daily BYU hype article" if the cougars were really
important to college football they would have been invited to the meetings or a
major conference. Truth is, despite what the local media wants to believe they
are not in the big picture.
Thanks, morpunkt, for reminding us that we are NOT Ntre Dame. But I guarentee,
ESPN is NOT "being kind." No more than the PAC was being kind in
inviting U to the Big Boy table.So it pains me to admit this, but I
could now advocate a two for one with Utah. If U grew a spine and told the PAC,
"we will play our rival, BYU, in November," at least until November
scheduling improves, I guess a two for one wouldn't be too bad.
"One of Jack Swarbrick's main talking points during the playoff
meetings has been making sure the strength of schedule is a focal point in
deciding which teams might be included in the playoffs. That would probably work
in favor of a team like BYU, which can schedule whoever they want."Being ABLE to schedule, independently of a conference, does not mean you will
get a strong 'Strength of Schedule'. Ergo 2011 and 2012 BYU - San
Jose State, Idaho, New Mexico State, etc. for late season games.
You think ESPN has partnered with BYU out of kindness? It's no dream that
ESPN recognizes BYU as a money maker. No other university has had the
ability/fortitude to put together an independent tv contract with a national
network, and then forge their own future as an independent, with the exception
of ND, and BYU. Certainly ND's contract is larger, as is their fan base,
but that doesn't diminish what BYU has managed to do on their own - no
1. ESPN is not just kind. It is a business with an understanding of what the
market needs. And it has determined that BYU works. Granted it works on
Thursdays and Fridays but it works. 2. Personally, I probably would
prefer the safety of a Conference but for the time being ND Junior is not so bad
(except in November) because the truth is that BYU can pull off the Indy
schedule.3. There is safety in a conference but if you succeed in
the Indy world it will be huge - just look at next seasons schedule. If BYU
wins it will be epic. 4. Yes Utah will enjoy a steady diet of the
same PAC teams and that is great for them. But truth is BYU is going to enjoy a
steady diet of a rotation of good teams. Both have upgraded. 5.
If BYU remains Indy like ND they will enjoy a long relationship.6.
As much as I hate to admit - both BYU and Utah have the same chance of getting
in the playoff and it will probably not happen for a long long time. 7. BYU needs better bowls game tie ins.
I'm a BYU alumni, but a couple observations... ND is liked and respected by
all Conference Commissioners and most all ADs that I read about... It's not
just the amount of fans and viewership, it's also their relationship with
all the significant Schools in College Football and I salute that...
Unfortunately, BYU doesn't enjoy this kind of reputation... From most of
what I read (after sifting though the biases) I have the opinion that BYU is
generally not liked, regarded as "high maintenance" and in general, more
of a "pain" to deal with than they are worth... Members of the MWC
generally don't like us because of these reasons, the Big 12 doesn't
like us because of our "hard to get" persona that we showed them when
they first attempted to recruit us last Fall, and the Big East doesn't care
too much for us because we made demands for televion rights that have never been
granted to any school in any conference... This all tells me that Holmoe
isn't nearly as connected as he says he is and Samuelson is in over his
head when it comes to conference positioning.
Punk, only media types have suggested in any way that BYU is the "Notre
Dame of the West". "dream on"? An 8 year ESPN contract is
awesome and a fact.
If BYU can schedule whomever they want why are they playing Weber State, Idaho
State etc. I think the article is a wannabe article and not good journalism.
BYU wishes they were Notre Dame and hopes they can ride their coattails but
ESPN2 on Friday night is not NBC on Saturday afternoon and BYU was not at the
table with the other commissioners. Get in a conference and win the right on
Although it may be true, Notre Dame has a great "tradition", that, is
not the issue. It has FAN BASE, which equates to BIG CASH. Ergo, the annual NBC
contract, for weekly coverage, win or lose. (And boy, have they had some loser
seasons lately.)BYU hasn't come close to drawing such millions of
viewers, (at least, not yet.)Dream on BYU fans. Be grateful ESPN has been