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Published: Friday, June 22 2012 10:24 p.m. MDT

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Ares
Cottonwood Heights, UT

NOBODY advocates on behalf of BYU at the negotiation table... nobody except BYU themselves.

Come on Cougie fans, come back down to Earth. You're Indy because you thought you could schedule any team, any time.

Reality hurts when you look at your current situation and November schedule, huh?

flatlander
Omaha, NE

Sammyg. I am far from a Ute Aran, just look at the total schedules of the SEC, Big 10 big 12 etc and other than a couple og games they are head to head with reallyntough teams. If you consider wash St and Oregon St tough opponents go ahead. The Y schedule bottom feeds on other conferences this year but it does get better give them credit for that.

Utah-Hawaii Alum
Dallas, TX

Nobody from the Big 12 office EVER talked to BYU. Not one time! This just wishful thinking by desperate BYU fans and the university.

Richard Smoker
Provo, UT

I like the independent schedule because it allows BYU to schedule some opponents that otherwise wouldn't be able to if BYU were in a conference and plus the national exposure with ESPN! I think it will be tough logistically to do this in the future because big conferences are going to nine conference games and some conferences are setting up scheduling agreements with other conferences. I think BYU needs to try and join the Big 12, and if not at least join the Big East. If BYU is too late to the party, they might have to go back to the MWC or join the MAC or C-USA.

I think BYU will make a big statement on the field this year to bolster their chances to join the Big 12 or Big East. They were really on a roll last year, and I think the momentum will continue!

Mildred in Fillmore
Salt Lake City, UT

BYU > Notre Dame

Utah-Hawaii Alum
Dallas, TX

Please folks, stop talking about a BYU Big 12 invite. I live in the heart of Big 12 country, follow it very closely and BYU has NEVER spoken to the Big 12 ONCE!!!!!! Tevas athletic director Deloss Dodds was asked twice in press conferences if BYU was ever considered to join the Big 12.......he said "No!" both times. Also, BYU certainly doesn't fit in with the Big 12 culture whatsoever. They would face instantaneous vetos by Baylor, TCU and OSU if they were ever truly considered. Additionally, the Big 12 just told Florida St and Clemson they were not interested in expanding when they inquired 3 weeks ago. BYU football is in serious trouble, as we all know. Oh well? Gooooooooo Utes!

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

If only we could return to the days of Glen Tuckett and President Holland...These two had good relationships with Conference Commissioners and ADs... At that time the PAC 10 wanted BYU but BYU wouldn't leave the WAC unless Utah came with them... Today Holmoe and Samuelson with their bevy of Attorneys have alienated BYU with these entities and their relationship with these folks are cordial best...

I am relatively certain that had Glen Tuckett been the AD last Fall we would be bragging about our newly acquired membership in the BIG 12 Conference today.

williary
Kearns, UT

There's no doubt that Notre Dame is including BYU with themselves in these negotiations. There's no doubt they will walk away from the bargaining table if the other participants refuse to give BYU the same status as mighty Notre Dame. There's no doubt when all is said and done, BYU will have as good a shot as anyone to play in this new playoff.

Yeah, that's really how ridiculous you BYU fans sound. It's hard to believe until you hear it from sone else, isn't it!

Utah-Hawaii Alum
Dallas, TX

@ Mildred in Fillmore,

byU is the most popular team in the world! If you don't watch byU football, you are lame! They are ESPN darlings, always viewed prime-time and have better TV ratings than the olympics. The current worldwide "exposure" is making byU a household name, like apple pie, Chevrolet and Thomas Edison. Goooooooooo Cougars!

RedBlood
Bountiful, UT

I find it interesting that no one has mentioned one point here. Quality wins. Cougar fans brag about all their 10+ win seasons yet they are still lacking the national respect they need for a proper conference invite. The solution to BYU's problems is quite simple - WIN YOUR BIG GAMES!!! BYU has a much better schedule this year and next. As a Ute fan, I am actually looking forward to watching a few of their games. 10+ win seasons over crap teams has netted them nothing. I think Utah's PAC-12 invite was partially a result of Utah having some very successful seasons, resulting in a couple of very nice BCS wins. If BYU could do something similar, it would go a LONG WAY in solving their problems, worries, and concerns. Quit worrying about whether or not Notre Dame cares about you. Quit comparing yourselves to other programs. Just win your games and make some noise nationally and very good things will come to you. Nothing solves problems like having an occasional breakout season. BYU hasn't had one of those for quite some time. No one cares about 1984. Win win win!!! This season will be telling......

Utah-Hawaii Alum
Dallas, TX

@ Williary,

Even the Pope called the BCS to PLEASE include the "storied" BYU program in the national scene. Heck, the Pope told me he did! He knows how to make things happen!

Utah-Hawaii Alum
Dallas, TX

Utah was invited to the PAC because of recent football successes, tremendous legacy top ranked basketball and gymnastic teams, and it is in the top 5 research schools in the world. It is a secular school that fits in perfectly with the PAC. It is currently ranked by ARWU at 78th in the world in terms of academia and with the new dental school and biometric facilies on the docket..........Utah with be ranked much higher. Although BYU has a fine athletic program, they're ONLY undergraduate university, little academic freedom at all, and is ranked 387th in the world, hardly a PAC institution. Coupled with the obvious social problems, BYU should ONLY do missionary work in the future. That will come to fruition within the next 10 years.

Benderman1
Layton, UT

I love how some people take jabs at BYU scheduling Idaho, Weber State, and New Mexico State. What those people keep forgetting (can't blame them, after all, they're mostly Ute fans) is that BYU had to create schedules for their first two years very quickly and there wasn't many options. I'd love to see the Utes try to put an independent schedule together with practially no notice and see how they do. Now, take a look at BYU's 2013 and 2014 schedules and let's compare those to Utah's so called "tough" PAC schedule. Those upcomming schedules are why BYU fans are happy about the strength of schedule focus. Utah on the other hand will continue to play scared by looking for the Northern Colorado's for their non-conference. This new post season change is starting to make independence look VERY nice!

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

@Benderman... You are dreaming... I love BYU and have disdain for Utah but you can't manipulate truth... You act like someone all of a sudden made BYU leave the MWC for Independence like they had no choice...Anyway you want to slice it, the timing on that move was terrible...

And @BYU-Hawaii in Dallas, TX... I too live and work in Dallas, TX part of the year and your claim that the BIG 12 never talked with BYU is factually incorrect... BYU and the Big 12 have had several conversations... The problem was that BYU thought that they were a prize catch and hot commodity last August and September and as a consequence they managed to send the Evangelicals from the Big 12 in other directions...

BYU blew it. We should have jumped on the Big 12's flitation with all fours and we didn't... As a result Holmoe, Samuelson, The Board of Trustees and the BYU Faithful looked silly and today we look desperate... The Pollyannas of of the BYU support crowd dine on sour grapes and the only ones being fooled are the folks eating the grapes. I personally hold Holmoe responsible. We need a conference.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

Benderman1 says "Now, take a look at BYU's 2013 and 2014 schedules"
You must have access to some other future schedule with more impressive opponents.

2013 Texas at Notre Dame (excellent), Boise, Ga Tech, at WSU (good), then Hawaii, USU, Houston (OK)
2014 at Texas (excellent), at Boise (good), then Houston, USU, Hawaii, Southern Miss, and UCF (nothing to get excited about).

Maybe you're hoping some of those "TBA" turn into something more exciting than New Mexico State? What am I missing? We may different perspectives. That is a great schedule when compared to the old MWC days, but for someone raised on BCS football, its not an attention getter.

blumancrew
Las Vegas, NV

Pretty funny. All these Ute fans screaming of BYU's irrelevance, yet there are probably as many comments by Utes as Cougars. I would NEVER go onto the Ute board and comment. Don't have the time, don't care. They are not relevant--no more so than Colorado, Washington St. or San Diego St.

Apparently BYU is very relevant to you. We still get you worked up.

PS--also funny that you are knocking our strength of schedule for the last 5 years or so. The UtEs are a part of that schedule, so that is a knock on UtEs not BYU. Also, you had pretty much the same MWC schedule so who are you to talk? Maybe you had a higher SOS because you played BYU and not yourselves.

Bluto
Sandy, UT

What is quite evident here is that the insecure, little brothers from Utah just can't get BYU out of their minds.

Their entire self worth is dependent upon BYU collapsing.

Weird, just so weird.
The U fans sure don't look like they have put BYU in their rear view mirror.

Utah can't hold a candle to BYU's Brand. seeESPN.

Utah fans' continual obsession with all things BYU, makes for a great case study in the dynamics of Inferiority Complex and Obsession.

U fans have been looking for BYU's Demise, because U know U can never catch up to their athletic achievements, all sports.

It's really quite sad and pathetic at this point.

BYU will ultimately do what is best for BYU and Utah will have a very difficult time competing in any Sport in the Pac.

The notion that BYU has never talked with the Big 12, Big East or Notre Dame is simply illogical.

After this Notre Dame series , BYU will have played Notre Dame 12 times.
And they've never spoken to them?

Memo to Ute fans....Move on and BYU is here to stay and keep U up at night.

A1994
Centerville, UT

Notre Dame is like the Kennedy Family of college football. They haven't been relevant for a really long time, yet people still fawn over them.

3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

Sure a lot of utes throwing smack. I wonder why they even care? Envy? Insecurity? Certainly these posts aren't born of confidence.

Bluto
Sandy, UT

@poyman

BYU won't beg on all fours, as you put it, for you or anybody else.
BYU is not giving up their new gains.
They didn't spend 50-100 million on their Broadcast facility and BYU-TV to give away all control of their own product..

It's about exposure for BYU, not money.
Money is not now, nor has it ever been a problem, for BYU.
400k living Alumni and 14 million LDS see to that.

Accomodations are made all the time to particular programs.
Texas gets to keep their own Network.
USC and Stanford can still play Notre Dame, outside of September.
3rd Tier rights are not all equal, even within a Conference dynamic.

If the Big East or Big 12 wants BYU and BYU wants the Big 12/East, then things may be worked out....Or not.

Either way, BYU is set.
The new 4 team playoff, gives everybody an equal shot.
The AQ's and BCS are going away in 1014.

Win enough games, schedule strongly enough and everybody at least gets a shot.

And 95% of all College Teams, will be out of the National Championship picture, 4 weeks into the season.

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