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  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    June 27, 2012 11:34 a.m.

    I would agree with SoonerUte, Notre Dame each November would be great!

    Naval Vet, isn't it interesting that for 2012 Phil Steele lists BYU's Strength Of Schedule at 89 and Utah's at 113?

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    June 26, 2012 7:12 p.m.

    U-H Alum
    So let me get this straight. You post innumerable posts dishing hate on BYU any way you can while thumping your own chest about your golfing prowess and high ACT and GPA. So let me ask you this: If you are so wonderful, why are you SO insecure, "bro?"

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    June 26, 2012 1:16 p.m.

    @Bluto

    "Recent analysis, taking into consideration 7 factors, Top 25 finishes, Academics, National Brand, Attendance, Stadium size etc....ranks BYU 35th in D-1 value and Utah 59th."

    You said there was a criteria of 7? I only see 5. What publication is this? Please advise.

    Also, you just compared them. You said byU is 35th and on a spiral downward and Utah is 59th and on the rise with a higher over-all BCS ranking since 1999 than our true little band of brothers from Provo.

    Here's to all the exposure in the world for byU with no possibility to ever play for a NC again.

    Here's to Utah having the possibility to play for a PAC 12 Title and possible NC every year.

    I know, reality hurts.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    June 26, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    NightOwlAmerica

    You obviously don't have a clue what BYU's ratings were last season, because they were more than FOUR times the rating for Utah's game - that is, when you could actually find a Utah game being televised.

    One thing is certain; our little brothers from the hill will be tuned in to every BYU game to satisfy their big brother obsession.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    June 25, 2012 10:21 p.m.

    skywalker said:

    "Real fans understand the power of playing Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night games."

    Yawn.
    Only if they are watching.
    Yes real fans watch their teams. But BYUs ratings last year proves they are a time slot filler at best. People are not interested in WAC teams other than WAC fans.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    June 25, 2012 6:57 p.m.

    @Utah-Hawaii Alum

    Your continual arguments only demonstrate that BYU looms very very large in your life.
    Generations of dominance by BYU in all sports, is absolutely taking it's toll on U.

    National Awards, Exposure, Championships, All-Americans, Hall of Famers, etc. by BYU, must must be very painful for you to endure.

    Long before Utah backed it's way into the Pac 10, BYU was already playing home and homes against USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St., Arizona, ASU, Washington and Washington St.

    Sorry silly Utes, BYU has already been there and done all that, long before Utah was even on their map.

    Know this, that your ranting, multiple times, on every BYU article, simply demonstrates that U are not yet secure in your Own skin, regarding BYU.

    We understand.

    You simply cannot compare BYU's Brand and Marketability in Football to Utah's.

    Recent analysis, taking into consideration 7 factors, Top 25 finishes, Academics, National Brand, Attendance, Stadium size etc....ranks BYU 35th in D-1 value and Utah 59th.

    BYU will have 8-10 games on a Major Network again this year...And Utah again, Will Not!

    Recruits are taking notice, and Utah is nervous.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    June 25, 2012 6:19 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    Before spouting off about Thursday, Friday and Saturday night games, you might want to do a little more research so you won't look quite so foolish next time:

    "Real teams play on Saturday, some local Cougar-haters insisted in online comments."

    "I would actually make the opposite case," said Ilan Ben-Hanan, ESPN’s vice president, programming and acquisitions. "When we talk to our conference partners, we always make a specific point about the power of playing those Thursday- and Friday-night games."

    "Thursdays have become the college equivalent of the ESPN’s "Monday Night Football."

    "We try to treat our Thursday-night football schedule the way we treat our Monday-night football schedule in the NFL," said Ben-Hanan. "We try to put premier games there — top matchups."

    "And ESPN has made its Friday-night schedule a priority, attempting to build it into a second Thursday."

    ESPN’s new deal with the Pac-12 "complements what we’re doing with BYU."

    Real fans understand the power of playing Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night games.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    June 25, 2012 5:26 p.m.

    U-H Alum

    "You people chastise Utah, Wazzu and OSU all the time."

    I haven't seen any BYU fans chastising Wazzu or OSU - simply stating that neither one of them was very good in 2011, WSU(4-8) and OSU(3-9) isn't CHASTISEMENT, it's simply stating the truth. I doubt you'd find very many Wazzu or Beavers fans who would disagree.

    The same goes for Utah in 2011 - one big win over BYU does not a season make. If Utah fans were at all honest with themselves they'd admit that losing to Colorado and Arizona State was an embarrassment, and Utah's losses to Washington and California weren't much better. Did you even pay attention to how awful ASU was during the last two-thirds of the season? Six losses in the Sun Devils' final 8 games, but they did manage to stomp Utah in RES and they destroyed Colorado 48-14.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    June 25, 2012 5:08 p.m.

    patriot

    "it used to be that the Y could recruit receivers like Austin Collie ...but no more"

    Obviously, you haven't followed BYU recruiting enough to know that Dylan Collie, Austin's younger brother, has already signed with BYU and will be joining the Cougars this fall.

    "BYU will never get a decent home game again as an independent"

    Texas (Sep), Georgia Tech (Oct), and Boise State (Oct) coming to LES in 2013 (and all scheduled AFTER BYU announced its independence) disproves another one of your hair-brained predictions.

    Also, BYU will be playing Notre Dame on November 16th, 2013. More wishful thinking from the kids on the hill disproven.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 25, 2012 4:33 p.m.

    Who is excited about the BYU home schedule this year? Anyone? Exactly my point. The November schedule is pathetic - play hard guys and if you do you might get an invite to the Armed Forces Bowl to play Navy. Also - it used to be that the Y could recruit receivers like Austin Collie ...but no more. Can you imagine Collie being content running 5 yard routes for little Reily Nelson? BYU will never get a decent home game again as an independent and that is pretty sad for the fans. Come on Holmoe, wake up and smell the roses - this experiment into independence is a complete bust and so is this new run and boot offense!

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    June 25, 2012 3:30 p.m.

    "BYU recruited me for a jazz music scholly and I told them to get lost!"

    Yet, you weren't recruited to BYU articles, and you can't stay away. Do us all a favor and pretend BYU articles are BYU "jazz music scholly"'s from now on.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 25, 2012 3:28 p.m.

    @ Thesportsauthority,

    Well, football and basketball is another story.........true? You people chastise Utah, Wazzu and OSU all the time. Well, that is all you have bro. No Cali PAC school will touch BYU. There are zero games scheduled in the future. And, Utah will demand a 2-1 if BYU wants to play them again. Hey cuz, reality is brutal sometimes.

  • MESOUTE SLC, UT
    June 25, 2012 3:17 p.m.

    ND95CA
    I didn't mention what Utah and Notre Dame's relationship is, was, or cold be. I was only commenting on the information related to the article. I know what Utah's relationship with Notre Dame is; nonexistent. How does that change the BYU/ND relationship which pertains only to a six year agreement to play four football games in Indiana and two in Provo. You are off topic. My comment was on topic.

    Sorry that you experienced rude Utah fans at ND Stadium. My entire family was there and I am certain they were not among the rude. They take losses like adults.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 25, 2012 2:53 p.m.

    Oh really sir, then why were they not busted like the LDS Church? Hey bro, the results speak volumes sir. Hey, BYu cannot schedule a PAC Cali school.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    June 25, 2012 2:52 p.m.

    Sorry U-H, but despite your bitterness and hatred of all things BYU, the fact that USC, CAL, UW, OU, UCLA, and Stanford have not scheduled a football game with BYU in the last couple of years proves nothing.

    BYU plays UCLA, Stanford and USC in men's volleyball every year.

    BYU competes against almost all of the PAC 12 schools in Indoor Track & Field.

    The Cougars played baseball at Stanford this past season.

    And guaranteed, BYU and California will be playing each other again in Rugby.

    It's simply a matter of time before the California schools begin to appear on BYU's schedule again.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 25, 2012 2:48 p.m.

    BYU is being televised for only their first 4 games on the ESPN networks and one game against ND on NBC So, if
    BYU is 1-3 after the first four weeks, will ESPN call Tommy Holmoe begging for more mediocre BYU broadcasts? I think not. By the way, ESPN only pays BYU for home games, not road games.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    June 25, 2012 2:32 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    The Catholic Church was just as influential in defeating Prop 8 in California as the Mormon Church, and, aren't the majority of students at Utah also Mormons? Here's little eye-opener for you - the majority of students attending California and Stanford think of Utah as a Mormon school.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    June 25, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    MESOUTE

    "The following is the extent of how much Notre Dame cares about Utah:"

    one-and-done and good riddance

    The Utah fans I saw at Notre Dame were some of the rudest, most obnoxious fans I've ever seen in Notre Dame Stadium.

  • B C Park City, UT
    June 25, 2012 2:13 p.m.

    "BYU recruited me for a jazz music scholly and I told them to get lost!"

    Sorry, but it sounds like your "Honor Code" issue was really just a lack a maturity issue as evidenced by your mom's reaction. Nobody gets that upset simply because they're ASKED to abide by a particular school's standards.

    btw, nobody at BYU is compelled to tattle on anybody, and every student who chooses to attend BYU knows exactly the standards they're expected to follow; the standards may be different, but the exact same commitment to standards is also expected of every cadet attending the Air Force Academy or any other military academy. Who you have reacted the same way if you'd been recruited to play in the AFA band?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 25, 2012 2:13 p.m.

    After Prop 8 passed in California, doesn't anyone find it odd that ZERO Cali PAC 12 schools will schedule BYU ever again? According to BYU fans, Utah, OSU and Wazzu are bottom feeders.........well, that is who they are playing this year. Has USC, CAL, UW, OU, UCLA, or Stanford scheduled BYU in the future? Of course not. And so will Utah. BYU is VERY OLD news folks!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 25, 2012 2:00 p.m.

    Notre Dame is on NBC in the early afternoon on NBC every Saturday. BYU is on late games on "off days." Yeah, who will watch a team that stinks like BYU? Notre Dame is legendary and the most popular team in this country.....I have always loved watching their bouts. BYU, are you serious?.........nobody cheers for that team.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 25, 2012 1:51 p.m.

    @ SportsFan,

    It doesn't matter one iota. BYU is in serious trouble. NOBODY will watch that pathetic November schedule. Not a soul.

  • MESOUTE SLC, UT
    June 25, 2012 1:40 p.m.

    The following is the extent of how much Notre Dame cares about BYU:

    a Six year contract to play football. Four games in Indiana and two games in Provo.

    That's it.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 25, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    WACy

    "Only a delusional BYU fan would think that people watch the Cougars more on ESPN. Than people watch Notre Dame on NBC."

    Only a green with envy Utah fan would draw that conclusion from phoenix's post. There's no significant difference between a national broadcast on ESPN and a national broadcast on NBC, they're both national broadcasts and the vast majority of college football fans have access to both. Nobody said that BYU's audiences are as big as Notre Dame's, but BYU's audiences are significantly bigger than Utah's audiences - that's not just hyperbole, that's a FACT!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 25, 2012 1:15 p.m.

    Can I say this, who is gonna watch BYU's schedule in November on BYUtv? Wow, probably nobody!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 25, 2012 12:58 p.m.

    I want to audit an anthropology class at BYU. That would be funny! Better yet, can I study Freud, Voltaire, Thomas Jefferson, or a myriad of other genius minds at BYU? Absolutely not a chance. BYU is unique. That is a fact!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 25, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    I was a professional trumpet player and a McDonald's All-American since the 9th grade. College is for adults! If you "choose" to go to BYU, you know what the rules are. For that school to enforce a "Honor Code" defeats their purpose. Everyone knows what the LDS folks expect.......seriously. What always urked me, is that they have an organization at BYU that compels kids to tattle on one-another. Sad, in the purest sense of the word.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 25, 2012 12:44 p.m.

    phoenix
    Gilbert, AZ
    U-H rejected BYU golfer wannabe

    Despite your meaningless hyperbole, BYU's 8-year contract with ESPN is just as much a NATIONAL contract as Notre Dame's contract with NBC - only a delusion BYU hater would try to claim that game times are a factor - the ONLY factor in determining whether a contract is a national contract is whether the games are televised nationally - which, unlike Utah's regional PAC 12 channel games, BYU's game have been and will continue to be.

    fyi, BYU's games last season averaged over FOUR TIMES more viewers than Utah's games.

    __________________

    Only a delusional BYU fan would think that people watch the cougars more on ESPN. Than people watch Notre Dame on NBC.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 25, 2012 12:27 p.m.

    I remember when the BYU music dept. came to my parent's home to recruit me.........of course BYU's "Synthesis" band was great..........I knew, and knew that. Then, they handed me the "Honor Code" papers........I cannot tell you folks what I said, but my mom slapped me VERY hard. How many recruits have felt the same way?............LOTS!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 25, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    idablu

    ...and over and over and over and over again.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 25, 2012 11:33 a.m.

    I think I'm with Bronco.........he places football 5th on his list of priorities, and surfing #1. I think I'll call and invite him to surf the North Shore on Oahu in February. We will get some monster tubes together.........but it is VERY dangerous!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 25, 2012 11:18 a.m.

    Who, in this world, would NOT accept a full ride scholarship to play golf for the University of Hawaii? Not one soul on this planet. I had so much fun, a great education and lived in Hawaii for free for two years. Man O man.........maybe Provo, Utah is way better? BWAHAHAHAHA! Utah Lake smells so wonderful, doesn't it?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 25, 2012 11:05 a.m.

    @ Phoenix,

    Oh contraire my friend......... BYU recruited me for a jazz music scholly and I told them to get lost! I went to the U on a full ride. When my little bro, a great golfer and captain of the U golf team for all 4 years, now an ER doc, was recruited by UH, he turned them down because their pre-med program wasn't up to snuff. But, he did say, talk to my brother, because he is a great golfer, ranked #39 in the NCAA my senior year at UH, which I was, then UH gave me the full ride they offered my lil' bro. I graduated from Utah early and got a FREE MBA from UH. Say what you want bro........BYU stinks! By the way, I scored a 33 on the ACT and had a 3.97 GPA at Cottonwood HS. I actually rejected an academic scholly to Yale and Princeton. Go drink some more blue Y KoolAid!

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 25, 2012 10:33 a.m.

    U-H rejected BYU golfer wannabe

    Despite your meaningless hyperbole, BYU's 8-year contract with ESPN is just as much a NATIONAL contract as Notre Dame's contract with NBC - only a delusion BYU hater would try to claim that game times are a factor - the ONLY factor in determining whether a contract is a national contract is whether the games are televised nationally - which, unlike Utah's regional PAC 12 channel games, BYU's game have been and will continue to be.

    fyi, BYU's games last season averaged over FOUR TIMES more viewers than Utah's games.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 25, 2012 9:18 a.m.

    BYU in the BCS era is the "Liberty U of the west" certainly not a Notre Dame, in the least. I love watching Notre Dame play prime time games on NBC against great teams on every Saturday afternoon. Millions and millions of fans feel the same way. They are the ONLY school to have a national contract. Oh, and of course, a midnight game EST on Thursday, BYU vs NMSU, or the likes............all 7.5 billion souls on this earth will be tuned in to watch BYU win............a "storied" program for sure?

  • Y's little brother The Hill, UT
    June 24, 2012 10:47 p.m.

    It's touching that our little brothers are soooooo "concerned" with their big brother's future.

    The truth is, Utah fans are green with envy of the local and national media attention constantly being received by the Cougars. Despite their power conference status and claims that they've left BYU behind, Utah fans remain obsessed with and crave the constant attention of their big brother.

    One thing's for sure, Utah will NEVER be compared to Notre Dame - a legacy program with national championships, Heisman Trophy winners, national college football hall of fame players, and a national fanbase.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 24, 2012 6:08 p.m.

    Notre Dame is HUGE nation wide - in Football Notre Dame is legendary and has always been an independent. BYU has found itself in independence waste land not by choice but because they couldn't get into the Pac12 or Big12. Where else do they go? Back to the Mountain West? How many more years are fans going to flock to Edwards Stadium to watch Weber State or Idaho?? Really - BYU has fallen so far so fast it makes the head spin.I remember back in the 80's and 90's going to Provo to watch a top 10 BYU play Notre Dame or UCLA or Penn State. HUGE games that were so fun to watch. I watched BYU beat Miami and saw the goal posts torn down. Now you get to see BYU play teams that are barely division one. Let's stop fooling ourselves here and state the obvious - BYU is in BIG trouble and this sort of mediocrity can't continue for long before the recruits begin to dry up and the national brand turns into a has been. It's Big 12 or bust for the Y!!

  • Straitpath PROVO, UT
    June 24, 2012 11:05 a.m.

    Go, BYU!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 24, 2012 10:49 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum
    "BYU has never spoken to the Big 12 EVER, which is a fact."

    Oh, so Chip Brown must have been lying in his recent interview. As a fellow Dallas resident, I hope you recognize he is one of the best connected media types on the Big12. The following is a quote from a recent interview.

    "The Big 12 identified BYU as a potential expansion target when Dan Beebe was commissioner. BYU was a serious candidate for expansion until last September, when OU destabilized the Big 12 when it tried to go to the Pac12. At that point, BYU officials were turned off by the instability and backed away, saying it cherished its independence."

    Please stick with Utah and Hawaii. U don't seem to know so much about BYU, other than hatred.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    June 24, 2012 10:42 a.m.

    The ONLY ones comparing BYU to Notre Dame, or suggesting Notre Dame would look out for BYU's interests are the Ute Trolls. The article merely states that concessions made to Notre Dame MAY have a positive impact on other independents. Of course ND is only looking out for themselves. The only ones stating otherwise are the same irrational, BYU-obsessed trolls with their same old, tiresome, straw man arguments over and over and over again.

  • NORCALUTE MoTown, CA
    June 24, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    Maybe BYU should join the PAC12...hahahahahahah

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    June 24, 2012 8:09 a.m.

    Ernie is right - they are a totally different species. And a ute is a species all of its own, too.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    June 24, 2012 7:31 a.m.

    "Utah does not need BYU anymore"

    Juice Box - thanks for your honesty as a ute by admitting the truth, i.e., pre-pac 12 affiliation, utah NEEDED BYU.

    @morepunkt, etal, and you ute gloaters - utah wouldn't be where they are today without BYU. Come to terms with it and give credit where credit is due. Now go win a few conference championships, and then we will talk some more.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    June 24, 2012 1:54 a.m.

    Is there meat here. The content covers the gamet, but seems to me to be all over the place as well.

    College football could have a complete makeover today or 5 years down the road. There are constantly these unknowns. BYU definitely fits that bill. Notre Dame is the big piece and distates what many schools do (BCS affiliates or not.

    Independence was the right move for BYU. It just has all the unknowns and and schedule sore spots that are part of the package. That package does include ESPN and BYU TV. Which means independent control and national exposure. Is that exposure the kind that really compliments BYU though? Playing patsies for half your schedule is sketchy for me.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 23, 2012 11:09 p.m.

    Juice Box
    Eureka, UT

    "Utah does not need BYU anymore. BYU needs to realize this."

    And yet here you are. Again.

    idablu
    Idaho Falls, ID

    I appreciate that we can can agree to disagree. I DO think that if Utah were willing to tell the PAC that they were going to play their real rival in November, it would be worth a two for one. However, the odds of Utah telling the PAC anything more than "yes sir", "no sir", and "how high?" are pretty slim.

    But, honestly? If we could get a game in November with a high profile team, we would. Later on I'm sure we will. In the mean time?

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    June 23, 2012 10:28 p.m.

    I wouldn't call byu and Notre Dame brothers. They aren't even of the same species.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 23, 2012 10:27 p.m.

    One last thing Bluto... I don't know what song sheet you are reading from on the whole Championship thing, but BYU does not have the same shot at a national championship under that program as a champion of an elite conference... If we were to go undefeated in 2014 year (with a schedule that includes November games with Idaho or Idaho State, or Weber State or New Mexico State) and there were 5 or 6 other teams in the 4 + 2 elite conferences (the +2 being the ACC and the BE) that only had 1 or maybe even as many as 2 loses, BYU still wouldn't get into the NC Playoffs... The only way BYU makes it is if the Conference Champs have crappy records and BYU is playing decent teams in November with limited Thursday and Friday night play.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 23, 2012 10:02 p.m.

    Notre Dame is "brothers in independence" with BYU as much as...

    Fresno State and Nevada were "brothers in WAC" when BYU tried to join the WAC at the expense of the MWC.

    @Bluto

    If Utah can't compete in the PAC-12 then how do you think a team that gets pounded 54-10 at home will do?

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 23, 2012 9:28 p.m.

    @Bluto... You sound like you may have been BYU's Representative in these conference negotiations... Heck, you might have even been one of the worthless lawyers that cost us membership in an elite conference... I hate to break it to you guy, but BYU's poop stinks just like everyone elses... When you come from a smaller, less decorated, conference and want an invite to an elite conference you are going to have to give some... You certainly don't apply for membership acting like you are on the same footing as UT, USC, ND or even Stanford... That's precisely the attitude that has BYU on the outside looking in.

    TCU and UWV gave a ton to be invited into the Big 12... Utah had to sacrifice financially the first year or two... The reason that they did this was because they saw that the Big 12 was going to be a smarter and more lucrative move down the road...

    When you throw out the old "Exposure" talking point you expose yourself. BYU also wants a reputation for world class quality... Playing Idaho, NMS and Idah State in November while other programs play for Conference Championships is a joke.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    June 23, 2012 7:48 p.m.

    BYU isn't interested in competition anymore. They will never get a chance to participate in the playoff. They are more interested in selling Utah County canning advertisements on their dreck of a TV station, and trying to get BYU (with the worst announcers this side of Provo High) to prop up the "interest".

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    June 23, 2012 7:22 p.m.

    I'm not sure Notre Dame has any intention of helping out BYU. I think they are concerned with their own self-interest. Right now BYU wants a deal where they get the advantages of being in a major conference along with the advantages of being independent. I don't think anyone is interested in helping them have it both ways either.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    June 23, 2012 6:34 p.m.

    The article was not written by a national writer. It was written by a BYU fan for BYU fans. Wake me once the national article comes out stating the same.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 23, 2012 5:24 p.m.

    This story is alot of peculative, wishful thinking.

    Most knowledgable commentators on the meeting suggested that ND was representing itself, Navy by the Big East, but Army and BYU were unrepresented.

    To suggest otherwise, is to ask your readers to look at BYU's problem of getting a seat at the table with the major BCS conferences with blue colored glasses.

    Based on this meeting one can say with certainty, BYU is no Notre Dame and likely never will be.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    June 23, 2012 4:47 p.m.

    re: Bluto 3:52 p.m. June 23, 2012

    "BYU is not giving up their new gains. They didn't spend 50-100 million on their Broadcast facility and BYU-TV to give away all control of their own product.."

    Nothing screams inferiority and insecurity like the overwhelming need to draw attention to/shamelessly promote yourself.

    "It's about exposure for BYU, not money. Money is not now, nor has it ever been a problem, for BYU.
    400k living Alumni and 14 million LDS see to that."

    Not all LDS members are Y fans. Look in your own ward. Further, its been my understanding that tithes do *NOT* subsidize athletics in Provo.

    re: Bluto 4:22 p.m. June 23, 2012

    "More like....Wazzu or Oregon State"

    Wash St has been to the Rose Bowl & Ore St has been to a BCS game (lit ND up like a Xmas tree as I recall). So, your attempt @ putdown is actually a compliment.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 23, 2012 4:44 p.m.

    The bottom line is BYU has never been offered an invite from a top BCS conference.........and it will never, EVER, happen.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    June 23, 2012 4:37 p.m.

    Bluto
    Sandy, UT
    @mtseatss

    "We know, we know, Utah is in the Pac 12 (they wear the Logo on their helmets)....

    Utah...U are Not...

    USC, Oregon, Stanford, Washington, ASU or even Cal

    More like....Wazzu or Oregon State

    ---

    So you are predicting two more losses for the cougars this season? Look at our schedule because we play Wazzu & Oregon St. So comparing them to Utah makes three losses so far in 2012.

    I just don't understand why my fellow BYU fans are so obsessed with what Utah does. If anyone cared about our mighty WAC legacy we would have joined a power conference decades ago.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 23, 2012 4:33 p.m.

    BYU has never spoken to the Big 12 EVER, which is a fact. All th wishfule BYU homers tell me when they did.........on the "record."

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 23, 2012 4:29 p.m.

    @ Bluto,

    Baylor is liberal? BWAHAHAHAHA! Yeah bro, they sure are. The entire world worships BYU.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    June 23, 2012 4:22 p.m.

    @mtseatss

    "We know, we know, Utah is in the Pac 12 (they wear the Logo on their helmets)....

    Utah...U are Not...

    USC, Oregon, Stanford, Washington, ASU or even Cal

    More like....Wazzu or Oregon State

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    June 23, 2012 4:17 p.m.

    @Utah-Hawaii Alum

    Utah is in the Pac because Baylor was kicked out of the Original Southwest 6 proposition, Comm. Scott's "Dream Scenario".

    Those Liberal-Lefty Schools would never allow Baylor, BYU or even a Notre Dame to join their group.

    Not only are Utah's Academics inferior to BYU's (BYU ranks #71 vs Utah #124 among the Nations Universities) but the Athletic Achievements of BYU vs Utah are not even comparable..Don't Even Go There, with a straight face.

    U think your gymanstics program and a few good seasons in football got U into the Pac?
    LOL

    No, they (The Pac) were left with nothing else, because they prematurely invited Colorado, in order to eliminate Baylor, not knowing it would prevent the other Southwest 5 from joining the Pac.

    Scott gambled and lost.

    Colorado was left hanging when Scott and the Presidents rejected the Religiously affiliated
    Baylor Bears.

    The same reason Glenn Tuckett stated in the mid-80's that...

    "BYU will be admitted to the Pac 10 today, if left up to the AD's, but the Presidents will "Never" allow, not just BYU per se, but any Faith Based School to join theirleague.

  • mtseatss Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 23, 2012 4:01 p.m.

    "I know, Notre Dame, Notre Dame is a friend of mine, BYU you are no Notre Dame."

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    June 23, 2012 3:52 p.m.

    @poyman

    BYU won't beg on all fours, as you put it, for you or anybody else.
    BYU is not giving up their new gains.
    They didn't spend 50-100 million on their Broadcast facility and BYU-TV to give away all control of their own product..

    It's about exposure for BYU, not money.
    Money is not now, nor has it ever been a problem, for BYU.
    400k living Alumni and 14 million LDS see to that.

    Accomodations are made all the time to particular programs.
    Texas gets to keep their own Network.
    USC and Stanford can still play Notre Dame, outside of September.
    3rd Tier rights are not all equal, even within a Conference dynamic.

    If the Big East or Big 12 wants BYU and BYU wants the Big 12/East, then things may be worked out....Or not.

    Either way, BYU is set.
    The new 4 team playoff, gives everybody an equal shot.
    The AQ's and BCS are going away in 1014.

    Win enough games, schedule strongly enough and everybody at least gets a shot.

    And 95% of all College Teams, will be out of the National Championship picture, 4 weeks into the season.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    June 23, 2012 3:47 p.m.

    Sure a lot of utes throwing smack. I wonder why they even care? Envy? Insecurity? Certainly these posts aren't born of confidence.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    June 23, 2012 3:42 p.m.

    Notre Dame is like the Kennedy Family of college football. They haven't been relevant for a really long time, yet people still fawn over them.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    June 23, 2012 3:34 p.m.

    What is quite evident here is that the insecure, little brothers from Utah just can't get BYU out of their minds.

    Their entire self worth is dependent upon BYU collapsing.

    Weird, just so weird.
    The U fans sure don't look like they have put BYU in their rear view mirror.

    Utah can't hold a candle to BYU's Brand. seeESPN.

    Utah fans' continual obsession with all things BYU, makes for a great case study in the dynamics of Inferiority Complex and Obsession.

    U fans have been looking for BYU's Demise, because U know U can never catch up to their athletic achievements, all sports.

    It's really quite sad and pathetic at this point.

    BYU will ultimately do what is best for BYU and Utah will have a very difficult time competing in any Sport in the Pac.

    The notion that BYU has never talked with the Big 12, Big East or Notre Dame is simply illogical.

    After this Notre Dame series , BYU will have played Notre Dame 12 times.
    And they've never spoken to them?

    Memo to Ute fans....Move on and BYU is here to stay and keep U up at night.

  • blumancrew Las Vegas, NV
    June 23, 2012 3:18 p.m.

    Pretty funny. All these Ute fans screaming of BYU's irrelevance, yet there are probably as many comments by Utes as Cougars. I would NEVER go onto the Ute board and comment. Don't have the time, don't care. They are not relevant--no more so than Colorado, Washington St. or San Diego St.

    Apparently BYU is very relevant to you. We still get you worked up.

    PS--also funny that you are knocking our strength of schedule for the last 5 years or so. The UtEs are a part of that schedule, so that is a knock on UtEs not BYU. Also, you had pretty much the same MWC schedule so who are you to talk? Maybe you had a higher SOS because you played BYU and not yourselves.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2012 2:43 p.m.

    Benderman1 says "Now, take a look at BYU's 2013 and 2014 schedules"
    You must have access to some other future schedule with more impressive opponents.

    2013 Texas at Notre Dame (excellent), Boise, Ga Tech, at WSU (good), then Hawaii, USU, Houston (OK)
    2014 at Texas (excellent), at Boise (good), then Houston, USU, Hawaii, Southern Miss, and UCF (nothing to get excited about).

    Maybe you're hoping some of those "TBA" turn into something more exciting than New Mexico State? What am I missing? We may different perspectives. That is a great schedule when compared to the old MWC days, but for someone raised on BCS football, its not an attention getter.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 23, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    @Benderman... You are dreaming... I love BYU and have disdain for Utah but you can't manipulate truth... You act like someone all of a sudden made BYU leave the MWC for Independence like they had no choice...Anyway you want to slice it, the timing on that move was terrible...

    And @BYU-Hawaii in Dallas, TX... I too live and work in Dallas, TX part of the year and your claim that the BIG 12 never talked with BYU is factually incorrect... BYU and the Big 12 have had several conversations... The problem was that BYU thought that they were a prize catch and hot commodity last August and September and as a consequence they managed to send the Evangelicals from the Big 12 in other directions...

    BYU blew it. We should have jumped on the Big 12's flitation with all fours and we didn't... As a result Holmoe, Samuelson, The Board of Trustees and the BYU Faithful looked silly and today we look desperate... The Pollyannas of of the BYU support crowd dine on sour grapes and the only ones being fooled are the folks eating the grapes. I personally hold Holmoe responsible. We need a conference.

  • Benderman1 Layton, UT
    June 23, 2012 1:55 p.m.

    I love how some people take jabs at BYU scheduling Idaho, Weber State, and New Mexico State. What those people keep forgetting (can't blame them, after all, they're mostly Ute fans) is that BYU had to create schedules for their first two years very quickly and there wasn't many options. I'd love to see the Utes try to put an independent schedule together with practially no notice and see how they do. Now, take a look at BYU's 2013 and 2014 schedules and let's compare those to Utah's so called "tough" PAC schedule. Those upcomming schedules are why BYU fans are happy about the strength of schedule focus. Utah on the other hand will continue to play scared by looking for the Northern Colorado's for their non-conference. This new post season change is starting to make independence look VERY nice!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 23, 2012 1:44 p.m.

    Utah was invited to the PAC because of recent football successes, tremendous legacy top ranked basketball and gymnastic teams, and it is in the top 5 research schools in the world. It is a secular school that fits in perfectly with the PAC. It is currently ranked by ARWU at 78th in the world in terms of academia and with the new dental school and biometric facilies on the docket..........Utah with be ranked much higher. Although BYU has a fine athletic program, they're ONLY undergraduate university, little academic freedom at all, and is ranked 387th in the world, hardly a PAC institution. Coupled with the obvious social problems, BYU should ONLY do missionary work in the future. That will come to fruition within the next 10 years.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 23, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    @ Williary,

    Even the Pope called the BCS to PLEASE include the "storied" BYU program in the national scene. Heck, the Pope told me he did! He knows how to make things happen!

  • RedBlood Bountiful, UT
    June 23, 2012 1:19 p.m.

    I find it interesting that no one has mentioned one point here. Quality wins. Cougar fans brag about all their 10+ win seasons yet they are still lacking the national respect they need for a proper conference invite. The solution to BYU's problems is quite simple - WIN YOUR BIG GAMES!!! BYU has a much better schedule this year and next. As a Ute fan, I am actually looking forward to watching a few of their games. 10+ win seasons over crap teams has netted them nothing. I think Utah's PAC-12 invite was partially a result of Utah having some very successful seasons, resulting in a couple of very nice BCS wins. If BYU could do something similar, it would go a LONG WAY in solving their problems, worries, and concerns. Quit worrying about whether or not Notre Dame cares about you. Quit comparing yourselves to other programs. Just win your games and make some noise nationally and very good things will come to you. Nothing solves problems like having an occasional breakout season. BYU hasn't had one of those for quite some time. No one cares about 1984. Win win win!!! This season will be telling......

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 23, 2012 1:14 p.m.

    @ Mildred in Fillmore,

    byU is the most popular team in the world! If you don't watch byU football, you are lame! They are ESPN darlings, always viewed prime-time and have better TV ratings than the olympics. The current worldwide "exposure" is making byU a household name, like apple pie, Chevrolet and Thomas Edison. Goooooooooo Cougars!

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 23, 2012 1:09 p.m.

    There's no doubt that Notre Dame is including BYU with themselves in these negotiations. There's no doubt they will walk away from the bargaining table if the other participants refuse to give BYU the same status as mighty Notre Dame. There's no doubt when all is said and done, BYU will have as good a shot as anyone to play in this new playoff.

    Yeah, that's really how ridiculous you BYU fans sound. It's hard to believe until you hear it from sone else, isn't it!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 23, 2012 1:05 p.m.

    If only we could return to the days of Glen Tuckett and President Holland...These two had good relationships with Conference Commissioners and ADs... At that time the PAC 10 wanted BYU but BYU wouldn't leave the WAC unless Utah came with them... Today Holmoe and Samuelson with their bevy of Attorneys have alienated BYU with these entities and their relationship with these folks are cordial best...

    I am relatively certain that had Glen Tuckett been the AD last Fall we would be bragging about our newly acquired membership in the BIG 12 Conference today.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 23, 2012 1:04 p.m.

    Please folks, stop talking about a BYU Big 12 invite. I live in the heart of Big 12 country, follow it very closely and BYU has NEVER spoken to the Big 12 ONCE!!!!!! Tevas athletic director Deloss Dodds was asked twice in press conferences if BYU was ever considered to join the Big 12.......he said "No!" both times. Also, BYU certainly doesn't fit in with the Big 12 culture whatsoever. They would face instantaneous vetos by Baylor, TCU and OSU if they were ever truly considered. Additionally, the Big 12 just told Florida St and Clemson they were not interested in expanding when they inquired 3 weeks ago. BYU football is in serious trouble, as we all know. Oh well? Gooooooooo Utes!

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2012 1:02 p.m.

    BYU > Notre Dame

  • Richard Smoker Provo, UT
    June 23, 2012 12:59 p.m.

    I like the independent schedule because it allows BYU to schedule some opponents that otherwise wouldn't be able to if BYU were in a conference and plus the national exposure with ESPN! I think it will be tough logistically to do this in the future because big conferences are going to nine conference games and some conferences are setting up scheduling agreements with other conferences. I think BYU needs to try and join the Big 12, and if not at least join the Big East. If BYU is too late to the party, they might have to go back to the MWC or join the MAC or C-USA.

    I think BYU will make a big statement on the field this year to bolster their chances to join the Big 12 or Big East. They were really on a roll last year, and I think the momentum will continue!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 23, 2012 12:35 p.m.

    Nobody from the Big 12 office EVER talked to BYU. Not one time! This just wishful thinking by desperate BYU fans and the university.

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    June 23, 2012 11:56 a.m.

    Sammyg. I am far from a Ute Aran, just look at the total schedules of the SEC, Big 10 big 12 etc and other than a couple og games they are head to head with reallyntough teams. If you consider wash St and Oregon St tough opponents go ahead. The Y schedule bottom feeds on other conferences this year but it does get better give them credit for that.

  • Ares Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 23, 2012 11:49 a.m.

    NOBODY advocates on behalf of BYU at the negotiation table... nobody except BYU themselves.

    Come on Cougie fans, come back down to Earth. You're Indy because you thought you could schedule any team, any time.

    Reality hurts when you look at your current situation and November schedule, huh?

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2012 11:49 a.m.

    BYU Joe, that is a well reasoned post. You say "BYU is going to enjoy a steady diet of a rotation of good teams". The truth is that means "in September".

    BYU needs to nail down Notre Dame as their annual November game. It doesn't have to be the last game of the year, just sometime in November, not October. That would go a long way towards getting fans to accept this independent route.

    A couple of marquee teams in September, one in October, and Notre Dame in November would make a nice season. Fans, coaches, and players said they miss having something to play for in November. Notre Dame could give them that spark.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 23, 2012 11:42 a.m.

    sammyg:

    "BYU's second season schedule in independence is exponentially better than any other conference season it's had and should continue to improve as things evolve."

    Not according to Phil Steele. Phil ranked your preseason SOS for 2012 at #81. Here is how he ranked your Final SOS over the past 5 seasons:

    2007 (MWC): #61
    2008 (MWC): #86
    2009 (MWC): #75
    2010 (MWC): #55
    2011 (WAC): #102

    So it looks as though your BEST strength of schedule existed during your final season in the MWC. And by a LOT! In fact, your 2012 season is projected to be only marginally more competitive than only ONE of those MWC seasons.

    But congratulations on beefing it up over last seasons. #102? How 1984.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 23, 2012 11:31 a.m.

    As a long time fan of ND who's attended ND home games for the past 15 years - I feel fairly connected to what the fans/media/coaches have to say about bYu.

    The answer is.....nothing.

    bYu is throwing around the word "brothers" like some family blood connection. The truth is, bYu isn't even on the ND radar.

    Notre Dame has been doing the independent gig forever...the last thing the need is some intern newbee acting as if they're some long time soul mates...after 12 months of independence.

    Trust me, ND has never uttered the word bYu in any meetings....they simply don't exist.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 23, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    Y Grad / Y Dad:

    "...I could now advocate a two for one with Utah. If U grew a spine and told the PAC, 'we will play our rival, BYU, in November...'"

    I think Dr. Hill and Mr. Scott might find that to be a reasonable accomodation. Now all you need to do is pick up the phone and call Holmoe, and pitch that idea to him. Because I think we both know Holmoe has been all out of ideas these past 2 yrs, and it isn't as though he'd be on the other line with the Big 12 [*snicker*]!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 23, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    "Athletic director Tom Holmoe told the media in April that he is constantly monitoring the situation. He added that the school has a contingency plan for every scenario and will continue to adjust those plans as necessary."

    And by "constantly monitoring the situation", Holmoe means he's still waiting for the Big 12 to call. And we all already know what his contingency plan was.

    The WAC!

    Of course the WAC will be dead after the 2012 season. What will his 2nd contingency plan be?

    C-USA? Plus 2 FCS teams instead of 1?

    "One of Jack Swarbrick's main talking points during the playoff meetings has been making sure the strength of schedule is a focal point in deciding which teams might be included in the playoffs. That would probably work in favor of a team like BYU, which can schedule whoever they want."

    But they they "want" to schedule weak-WAC and FCS teams. Incorporating SOS into the selection process HURTS the Indy-WACers.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2012 10:49 a.m.

    @sammyg

    I'm not buying it. BYU's schedule is still not impressive. You bash Utah for being a Pac-12 "bottomfeeder" and then turn around and pound your chest about having Utah, Wazzu and Oregon St. on the schedule. Can't have it both ways. Same goes for Georgia Tech. BYU fans downplayed GT after the Sun Bowl. Are they a quality opponent or not?

    The jury is still out on Boise St. They have been a solid team for the past decade but they lost a lot last year. I wouldn't be surprised to see them take a little step back. Notre Dame seems to be working itself out of the dark ages and USU is improving but still can't get over the hump. That leave four, borderline, unwatchable games. Three being late in the season when things are supposed to be most exciting.

    Another point you fail to mention is that the only somewhat interesting game BYU has at home is USU. You may be happy with how independence is working out, but there has to be a ton of frustrated season ticket holders and boosters.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    June 23, 2012 10:39 a.m.

    Although I don't think it is in BYU's interest to Join the Big East, I do think they blew it with the Big 12. I do think there is some truth to Poyman's post in that BYU may be perceived as being too high maintenance. That may be in part due to the No-Sunday rule, but I'm sure BYU's reluctance to compromise on their broadcasting rights sticks in the craw of most BCS ADs.

    Although I'm in the join-a-conference camp, what BYU really needs is some more really big names, like Texas, USC, Oklahoma, and maybe some SCC schools to leave their conference for the more lucrative (by self broadcasting) independent road. That may be the future 10 years from now, but right now it looks like Conference alignment is where it is at.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    June 23, 2012 10:05 a.m.

    @YGrad
    You and I are usually on the same page on most BYU topics, but on this one we disagree. BYU doesn't need Utah on their schedule any more than Utah needs BYU on theirs. At the current time slot BYU can get any number of quality teams to play in Sept. to replace Utah. Although I understand the need for a quality opponent in Nov., a 2 for 1 with Utah is just not worth it. Especially when 2 for 1 opportunities with much bigger name schools are out their. Besides, if ther is no room in Utah's (and PAC-12's) schedule in Sept., there certainly won't be in November.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 23, 2012 10:02 a.m.

    Jeff Call writes a lot of words basically dancing around the truth... and that truth is that as the playoff discussions proceed, BYU has no advocate at the table.

    Every conference and Notre Dame is representing its own interest. No one is advocating for BYU... no one.

    To suggest that what is good for Notre Dame is good for BYU is absurd.

    With one phone call Notre Dame can schedule a game with any team in the country... BYU cannot.

    With one phone call Notre Dame can join any conference in the country... BYU cannot.

    And to suggest that a 4 for 2 scheduling arrangement with Notre Dame suggests an alignment of interests between BYU and Notre Dame is ridiculous.

    BYU is not Notre Dame... At the playoff negotiating table Notre Dame is representing its own interests... BYU is not even an afterthought.

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    June 23, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    I think Y Grad is showing what poyman is writing about... high maintenance.

    The rivalry will be over because of the Stubbornness in Provo about the 2-1 at BYU.

    Utah does not need BYU anymore. BYU needs to realize this.

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    June 23, 2012 9:02 a.m.

    Relax people about BYU's scheduling of New Mexico St., idaho, and San Jose St. The WAC will be finished in football after this year anyways. BYU will play better competition than that next year and beyond and how do I know this? ESPN contract. Teams will want to play BYU because that game will be televised and that is a win-win situation for both teams. I do agree that if ND jumps ship to a different conference BYU will too.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 23, 2012 8:36 a.m.

    This is just another "Daily BYU hype article" if the cougars were really important to college football they would have been invited to the meetings or a major conference. Truth is, despite what the local media wants to believe they are not in the big picture.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 23, 2012 7:35 a.m.

    Thanks, morpunkt, for reminding us that we are NOT Ntre Dame. But I guarentee, ESPN is NOT "being kind." No more than the PAC was being kind in inviting U to the Big Boy table.

    So it pains me to admit this, but I could now advocate a two for one with Utah. If U grew a spine and told the PAC, "we will play our rival, BYU, in November," at least until November scheduling improves, I guess a two for one wouldn't be too bad.

  • stanfunky Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2012 7:24 a.m.

    "One of Jack Swarbrick's main talking points during the playoff meetings has been making sure the strength of schedule is a focal point in deciding which teams might be included in the playoffs. That would probably work in favor of a team like BYU, which can schedule whoever they want."

    Being ABLE to schedule, independently of a conference, does not mean you will get a strong 'Strength of Schedule'. Ergo 2011 and 2012 BYU - San Jose State, Idaho, New Mexico State, etc. for late season games.

  • kat Ogden, UT
    June 23, 2012 2:58 a.m.

    You think ESPN has partnered with BYU out of kindness? It's no dream that ESPN recognizes BYU as a money maker. No other university has had the ability/fortitude to put together an independent tv contract with a national network, and then forge their own future as an independent, with the exception of ND, and BYU. Certainly ND's contract is larger, as is their fan base, but that doesn't diminish what BYU has managed to do on their own - no small feat.

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    June 23, 2012 1:29 a.m.

    1. ESPN is not just kind. It is a business with an understanding of what the market needs. And it has determined that BYU works. Granted it works on Thursdays and Fridays but it works.

    2. Personally, I probably would prefer the safety of a Conference but for the time being ND Junior is not so bad (except in November) because the truth is that BYU can pull off the Indy schedule.

    3. There is safety in a conference but if you succeed in the Indy world it will be huge - just look at next seasons schedule. If BYU wins it will be epic.

    4. Yes Utah will enjoy a steady diet of the same PAC teams and that is great for them. But truth is BYU is going to enjoy a steady diet of a rotation of good teams. Both have upgraded.

    5. If BYU remains Indy like ND they will enjoy a long relationship.

    6. As much as I hate to admit - both BYU and Utah have the same chance of getting in the playoff and it will probably not happen for a long long time.

    7. BYU needs better bowls game tie ins.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 23, 2012 1:05 a.m.

    I'm a BYU alumni, but a couple observations... ND is liked and respected by all Conference Commissioners and most all ADs that I read about... It's not just the amount of fans and viewership, it's also their relationship with all the significant Schools in College Football and I salute that... Unfortunately, BYU doesn't enjoy this kind of reputation... From most of what I read (after sifting though the biases) I have the opinion that BYU is generally not liked, regarded as "high maintenance" and in general, more of a "pain" to deal with than they are worth... Members of the MWC generally don't like us because of these reasons, the Big 12 doesn't like us because of our "hard to get" persona that we showed them when they first attempted to recruit us last Fall, and the Big East doesn't care too much for us because we made demands for televion rights that have never been granted to any school in any conference... This all tells me that Holmoe isn't nearly as connected as he says he is and Samuelson is in over his head when it comes to conference positioning.

  • Yerffoegn Maricopa, Az
    June 23, 2012 12:49 a.m.

    Punk, only media types have suggested in any way that BYU is the "Notre Dame of the West". "dream on"? An 8 year ESPN contract is awesome and a fact.

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    June 23, 2012 12:26 a.m.

    If BYU can schedule whomever they want why are they playing Weber State, Idaho State etc. I think the article is a wannabe article and not good journalism. BYU wishes they were Notre Dame and hopes they can ride their coattails but ESPN2 on Friday night is not NBC on Saturday afternoon and BYU was not at the table with the other commissioners. Get in a conference and win the right on the field

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    June 22, 2012 11:39 p.m.

    Although it may be true, Notre Dame has a great "tradition", that, is not the issue. It has FAN BASE, which equates to BIG CASH. Ergo, the annual NBC contract, for weekly coverage, win or lose. (And boy, have they had some loser seasons lately.)
    BYU hasn't come close to drawing such millions of viewers, (at least, not yet.)
    Dream on BYU fans. Be grateful ESPN has been so kind.