Washington, Wash. St., Utah, Arizona, Oregon St. have also shown interest
Jealous UBrian had a couple of good games against good teams, but his
overall passing efficiency was pitiful.-----------And
you call me out for selecting reasoning?2008 Final Stats:#13 Max Hall 156.9#15 Matthew Stafford 153.5 (Yes, the NFL starter for
Detroit Lions)#16 Brian Johnson 149.4Source: ESPNThe difference 13-0.
Oh my goodness........Wazzu is gonna torch BYU. They have many great athletes.
BYU has Kyle Van Noy is all. BYU has ZERO game film for the Leach offense. A
loooooong day for BYU for sure.
Since when has BYU been a factor on the national stage? They have done ZERO
during the BCS era, period. What, the 1984 shampionship? I think BYU fans are
gonna be upset in a few years, if not already? Their schedules are tragic for an
ardent BYU fan. The LDS Church will not take this much longer. I think BYU
football will be curtailed within 5 years.
UteologyNorm Chow is long past his prime, but he jumped at the first
opportunity to desert his alma mater after seeing first hand the mess that Kyle
gave him to work with at Utah. Brandon Doman is just getting
started, but he's already placed two quarterbacks on NFL rosters, and has
seen them actually play in the NFL. Doman himself, at least made an NFL roster,
before injuries short-circuited his chances to play in the NFL.Brian
Johnson didn't even make an NFL roster and his one claim to fame as a coach
is an injury-plagued starter who hasn't played a full season during his
entire college career and has even less of a chance of making an NFL roster than
his coach.At least BYU has a history of producing great
quarterbacks. What has Utah got?
@Jealous"BYU has at least a half dozen quarterbacks that
finished higher in the Heisman Trophy voting than Alex." --------Yes but again how is that going to help Billy Green next
year since Norm Chow is now coaching at Hawaii?
There is a kid just 30 miles away in Heber City that has an arm and body ready
to play. The Washington kid looks a little small? No doubt he has some talent,
however, the Wasatch kid is a man child compared to him. I hope Doman knows what
he is doing??????????
UteologyBrian had a couple of good games against good teams, but his
overall passing efficiency was pitiful - 124.4, 151.0, 129.6, and 149.4 (during
Utah's Sugar Bowl year), hardly the kinds of numbers that would rank him
anywhere near the top of college football quarterback rankings.Brian
was also a contributor in that embarrassing 0-27 shutout at 2-10 UNLV.------------------------It remains to be seen whether Alex ever
accomplishes anything of significance in the NLF - so far all we have are un-met
expectations.Obviously, neither of them were good enough to be
considered the best quarterback in the country.BYU has at least a
half dozen quarterbacks that finished higher in the Heisman Trophy voting than
@Jealous of the USmith was on a horrible team with bad coaching.
Similar to what Steve Young went through before joining the 49ers dynasty: "The Buccaneers selected University of Miami quarterback Vinny
Testaverde first overall in the 1987 NFL Draft because Young was deemed a bust,
and he was traded to the San Francisco 49ers on April 24, 1987" Not my words, do some research.Yes, I agree the defense did save
us. BUT I also recall BJ leading Utah to a winning drive against #7 TCU and he
was also the MVP against #6 Bama. So in spite of your selective reasoning BOTH
have done more at the college level than ANY BYU QB since 1996 (aka Chow era).
Yes they were not good enough for the awards but Smith and BJ were
good enough to whoop your team to a pulp on their way to making history.
Uteologylol at your very selective, yet inconsistent criteria for
judging BYU and Utah QBs.Johnson's 2008 team may have been
undefeated, but that was in spite of Brian; if not for Utah's defense
bailing him out at Michigan, at Air Force, at New Mexico, vs Oregon State, and
versus TCU, the Utes never would have gotten to the Sugar Bowl.Smith
has been in the NFL since 2005 and during that period, the 49ers have had ONE
winning season and have won ONE post-season game. Compared to Super Bowl MVP
Aaron Rodgers, who was the 24th pick in the same 2005 draft, Alex is a complete
bust. And, quite obviously, despite all of the chest-beating by the hill trolls,
wasn't even close to being the best QB in the 2005 draft.btw,
how many NFL QBs has Brian Johnson produced.*crickets*btw2, you dodged the question: "If Smith and Johnson were such
"great" college QBs, why weren't either of them at least First Team
All-American, let alone Sammy Baugh or Davey O'Brien award winners?"so I'll answer it for you:They weren't good
@UteWannaBe"Alex Smith is one of the biggest #1-draft pick busts
in the history of the NFL."Yes are right and that's why
Miami and my 9ers offered Smith $25 million 3/4(??) year contract this
off-season because he's considered such a bust. I guess you don't
follow football, that's okay I won't hold that against you.BJ didn't make the NFL but Utah still has 2 QBs in the NFL, Smith and
Ratliff... BYU has one. So again without Chow, BYU hasn't developed
anyone.@Phoenix"If Smith and Johnson were such
"great" college QBs, why weren't either of them at least First Team
All-American, let alone Sammy Baugh or Davey O'Brien award winners?"Compared to Beck and Hall they are "great". Compared to McMahon
and Young... they are not.What they did do is lead their teams to
UNDEFEATED seasons. And unlike another QB in the state BJ beat 4 ranked teams
in a single season. I don't think Detmer beat 4 ranked teams in his
@ Sammyg,It is easy to spot BYU fans.......they are always headed to
the parking lot midway through the 3rd quarter when playing good teams at
LES..........ie FSU, TCU and Utah. The dazed looks on their faces are
UteologyIf Smith and Johnson were such "great" college QBs,
why weren't either of them at least First Team All-American, let alone
Sammy Baugh or Davey O'Brien award winners?*crickets*Obviously, the national college football world didn't think nearly as
much of Utah's quarterbacks as the kids on the hill.The simple
truth is, they were both just decent quarterbacks on a couple of pretty good
teams that were known far more for their defenses, than their offenses.The desperate 49ers took a flyer on Alex as the #1 overall draft pick; a
gamble that obviously fell well short of what is expected of a #1 draft pick.
So easy to spot a Ute fan, always, always envious of BYU QBs... past, present
UteapologistBrian Johnson is by far the biggest NFL bust -
didn't even make an NFL roster.Alex Smith is one of the biggest
#1-draft pick busts in the history of the NFL.And nobody at the U
had anything to do with coaching their QB development.Brian
Johnson's big success as a QB coach is Jordan Wynn, an injury-plagued QB
with a career passing efficiency rating of less than 134 - embarrassing.Hays may have had a SLIGHTLY more difficult schedule than Riley, but he
didn't beat a single conference foe with a winning record, and he lost to
one of the worst teams in the country on his home turf.Career QB
RatingsRiley Nelson - 146.56Jon Hays - 124.4
@Ute EnviousWhy do you continue to bring up what Norm Chow's
QB's accomplished? A false reality Billy Green will see and then end up in
Kansas. @TrueBlue: Yet Hays played a tougher
schedule compared to Riley (SOS Utah #49 vs BYU #90). Go figure.To
answer your question: "who's the biggest BUST?"First
and foremost, 12-0 and 13-0 seasons... Harlene and George seasons pale in
comparison.Smith lead the first BCS busting team, Heisman finalist,
#1 draft pick, lead team to NFC championship game.vs.Beck 3rd string NFL QB on a good day BJ - Coaching a PAC-12
teamvs.Max Hall - Played 6 NFL games (1 TD, 6 INTs, QB
Rating of 35.7) ...waived/injured on August 24, 2011, and was reverted to
injured reserve after passing through waivers unclaimed on August 25.
Utah-Hawaii Alum"Sorry sir, but your stats are not BCS computer
rankings."Sorry, but yours weren't either, so how would you
Unfortunately, our little friends on the hill need a little lesson on the true
order of college football quarterback accomplishments:1a - National
Championship - the epitome of major college football team achievement1b -
Heisman Trophy - the epitome of major college football individual achievement2 - National College Football Hall of Fame3 - National Individual Award
- Davey O'Brien (best QB); Sammy Bauch (best passer)4 - Concensus
First Team All-American5 - First Team All-American6 - National
Championship Game MVP7 - Major Bowl Game MVP8 - Bowl Game MVPNot Applicable - Professional Career - it's nice that some players
get to play professionally, but an NFL or CFL career neither enhances nor
diminishes a player's collegiate achievementsBYU QBs have
accomplished 1a, 1b, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 8Utah QBs have accomplished 7 and
8Call us when a Utah QB breaks into the Top 5.
Utah-HawaiiI don't know where you get your information from,
but you need to find a more accurate source.Bronco has finished in
the BCS Top 25 four times in the last seven years - 2006, 2007, 2008, and
2009.Utah has only managed that feat twice in the last seven years -
2008 and 2010.BYU may not have cracked the "BCS code" during
it's brief, and soon to be forgotten, life, but BYU has finished more
consistently in the Top 25.
earth to UteologyChow only lasted one year at Utah before leaving
for greener pastures. His 6-3 PAC 12 wunderkind didn't beat a single PAC 12
team with a winning record, and LOST to two teams with LOSING records, including
to Colorado(3-10), one of the worst teams in the entire country.Doman is just getting started, but he's already 2 of 2 in starting QBs
being drafted into the NFL.btw, who's the biggest BUST?John Beck and Max Hall, who both made NFL rosters and actually played in
the NFLorBrian Johnson, who didn't even make an NFL
U-H alumUtah has NEVER finished higher than #6 in the final BCS
polls. The final BCS rankings come out BEFORE the bowls.The #2/#4
finishes you're citing are Utah's AP poll finishes, which, ironically
is SELECTED in EXACTLY the same way as it was in 1984 and 1996, when BYU
finished #1 and #5.In the Coaches poll, the poll that the BCS
recognizes as their official national championship poll, Utah finished #4/#5 in
Norm Chow was the one who developed QB's at BYU. Since then BYU has
dropped off.He is well known for developing quarterbacks such as
McMahon, Young, Detmer, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, and Matt Leinart. Heck,
Norm Chow took a D2 QB and turned him into a 6-3 PAC-12 QB.What has
BYU developed/accomplished since Norm Chow? Beck - "Harline is
still open" to NFL 3rd/4th stringMax - "George is still open"
to NFL bustHeaps - "NC claims at Iggys" to Kansas
@u-h"Utah finished #4 and #2 in the final BCS rankings in 04 and
08."You obviously don't have a clue what you're
talking about.Here are the facts:2004 Utah finished #4
AP, #5 Coaches, #6 BCS2008 Utah finished #2 AP, #4 Coaches, #6
BCSIf the BCS had existed in 1983, 1984 and 1996, with the exact
same criteria as existed in 2004, BYU would have EASILY qualified for a BCS game
all three years.During Bronco/Kyle era - Final BCS Rankings2006 BYU #20, Utah UNRANKED2007 BYU #17, Utah UNRANKED2008 BYU
#16, Utah #62009 BYU #14, Utah UNRANKED2010 BYU unranked, Utah
#192011 BYU unranked, Utah UNRANKEDTotal Top 25 Final BCS
RankingsBronco 4Kyle 2It's laughable that Utah fans
always cite Utah's 2004/2008 AP poll finishes, when the official BCS
Championship poll is the Final Coaches poll, which has never ranked the Utes
higher than #4.The AP poll is conducted in exactly the same way
today as it was in 1936. Interesting, since Utah fans whine so much about the
1984 poll, but have NO PROBLEM with 2004/2008.
Gosh, being a Ute fan in the 21st century is great. Last year, a plethora of BYU
hopefuls made fun of Wazzu. Well, Wazzu will torch BYU easily. BYU has zero
secondary and no offense. I can't wait to watch that late-night
game..........If I, and the rest of the nation, can stay awake? That remains to
be seen and evaluated?
@ truecoug1, Sorry sir, but your stats are not BCS computer
rankings. Hold on to BYU football until it is cancelled as a program. Enjoy!
@UHA "I am not sure, but I think that BYU has never finished in the top 25
in the final BCS computer rankings during the BCS era"Final
Sagarin Rankings since 2005 (when Bronco and Kyle both took over--I'm using
Sagarin because he factors in the BCS algorithm into his rankings and there is
no final BCS standings after the bowl games and using Utah as a metric):-2005-BYU: 55Utah: 51-2006-BYU: 13Utah: 46-2007-BYU: 17Utah: 34-2008-BYU: 32Utah: 5-2009-BYU: 15Utah: 24-2010-BYU: 45Utah: 26-2011-BYU: 34Utah:
39Average final ranking over the last 7 years:BYU: 30Utah: 32So to answer your query, BYU finished in the Top 25 3
times since Bronco took over and was eligible for a BCS bowl in 2009 (ranked #14
in the BCS standings-unfortunately for the Cougs, both TCU and BSU were
undefeated that year and ranked ahead of the boys in blue).As for
NFL QB's, BYU has had 5 QB's drafted or signed on into the NFL since
Steve Young. U have had 2.Go Cougars!
Max Hall would have been killed if the Cards didn't waive him. He is the
worst QB in the history of the NFL.
Utah finished #4 and #2 in the final BCS rankings in 04 and 08. BYU has done
ZERO! Relish in that bro!
@ phoenix,Your struggles will ONLY get more unrealistic and
complicated. Have fun bro!
u-h alumA little lesson:The final BCS rankings are NOT
the final end of season rankings, in fact, Utah has never finished higher than
6th in final BCS rankings.And, yes, BYU has finished in the Top 25
of the final BCS rankings several times, and as recently as 2009, they were
eligible to play in a BCS game, the just weren't chosen.btw,
it's funny how Utah fans want it both ways... judge BYU QBs solely by their
success in the NFL, but give Brian Johnson a pass for being a complete bust in
the NFL, but claiming that he had a great college career.lol at the inconsistency.
Are we comparing again?
@ phoenix,I am not sure, but I think that BYU has never finished in
the top 25 in the final BCS computer rankings during the BCS era?????? Last year
they were #35 and Utah #39. bottom line is........BYU has never sniffed a BCS
bowl, never considered for an elite BCS conference invite, has been creamed by
Utah 3 times, lost 7/10 to the Utes and has the worst November schedule in
college football history in 2012. Now, the Utes will beat the tar out of BYU
again this year, then BYU loses 29 seniors and will be rebuilding with poor
recruiting classes and losing dramatically in 2013-14.........just for starters.
BYU football is struggling.
Does any BYU fan remember Steve Young's first two years in the NFL? He was
deemed a bust and let go by the TB Bucs. He rode the pine under Joe Montana for
a few years, then took over a 49er team team that was arguably one of the top 2
teams in the history of the NFL, along with the 1970s-80s Pittsburgh Steelers.
And, had the greatest receiver of all time on that team.......Jerry Rice. I like
Steve Young, but he inherited a MONSTER NFL team, the lucky devil.
"I vehemently agree with you. Utah has produced two legit NFL starting QBs
since Steve Young......Scott Mitchell and Alex Smith."lolHow many NFL and/or Super Bowl MVP awards did Mitchell and Smith win?In fact, cite me ONE significant NFL achievement by either of them. More important, however, did either one of them win any national
individual quarterback awards in college, which for BYU and Utah fans, is far
more important than any accomplishments achieved post college. As
far as BCS-era relevance, BYU finished in the Top 25, again, in their first year
as an independent; Utah was UNRANKED in their first year as a "BcS"
team. Comparing seasons, BYU had a one-game meltdown and
ended the season with only three losses to teams with a combined 27-12(69%)
record.Utah had a season-long meltdown and ended the season with
five losses to teams with a combined record of 33-33(50%) record
@B C"Great programs produce great, nationally recognized
players."Correction: Great programs produce great, nationally
recognized WINS...something BYU hasn't done in a very, very long time.
Washington QB?Jake Heaps = 5 StarsAlex Smith = 1 StarWhat else do you want to know?
@ Brave Sir Robin.I vehemently agree with you. Utah has produced two
legit NFL starting QBs since Steve Young......Scott Mitchell and Alex Smith. Ty
Detmer, the Heisman winner, wore a headset and held a clipboard in the NFL. Max
Hall is probably the worst QB to ever take a snap in the NFL and John Beck is a
NFL bust at best. Heck, Ty's brother Coy was a better NFL QB as a matter of
fact. Ute Brian Johnson took Utah to an undefeated season, demolished Alabama
and won the Sugar Bowl MVP award, although he wasn't NFL
material.......like ALL the QBs since Steve Young. Y fans are looking for any
"scrap' to try to appear relevant in the BCS era.........and it is
falling upon deaf ears, obviously.
u-h alumTy Detmer had a 14-year NFL career, I'd say that makes
him a legit NFL QB.More importantly, for jealous Utah fans to
consider, is he was a Heisman Trophy winner and has now joined FIVE other BYU
QBs in the National College Football Hall of Fame!Robbie Bosco won a
National Championship.Steve Sarkisian won a National College
Quarterback of the Year Award.BYU players have won 15 National
Individual Player Awards.Utah players have NEVER won a single
National Individual Player Award.Great programs produce great,
nationally recognized players.Call us when Utah produces its first.
@Cougar ClawsHis point is that despite being "QB U", BYU
hasn't produced a decent quarterback since Steve Young. If you're
going to call yourself "QB U", you should probably turn out a good QB
more than once every 30 years.The U has had its share of QB
troubles, but we don't go around calling ourselves "QB U" either.
@ Y Dad,While I like you as a person and enjoy your banter, some
fans, including myself, enjoy following players in college and the pros.
Different strokes for different folks. Cheers!
MonkI not only don't follow the NFL careers of former players,
I don't follow the recruiting news from up on the hill. But I do follow
the High School players that BYU recruits. I think Brandon writes, and the DN
publishes, these stories for readers like me. It may be that you are in the
wrong section of the news.The related link must have impressed you
too. Another high school quarterback. With a brother on the team. Planning on
a mission. Now you don't have to read the link.Or make a
BYU fans should relish in their weakening mid-major football program before it
comes to an end.......tick tock, tick tock.......?
So . . . the news story here is that BYU is recruiting a high school player?
Wow. Glad Brandon Gurney is on top of things.
Utah HawaiiSince then, the university produced a Heisman and a
national champion. That's what universities aspire to. There are
"legit NFL quarterbacks" whose universities did well, and some did not.
I am interested in what my quarterback did for my university. I really did not
follow the NFL careers of Steve Young or Jim McMahon.
Re: Utah-Hawaii AlumUtah has NEVER produced a legit NFL QB. What is
"BYU hasn't produced a legit NFL QB since Steve Young."says the emotional, frantic, jealous and bitter has been golfer.Legit? Having trouble with reality I see. QB envy has ALWAYS been
a Ute fan characteristic.
@ Cougar Claws,BYU hasn't produced a legit NFL QB since Steve
Young. That was 30 years ago.
It wouldn't be a bad thing for him to come to BYU. Hopefully if he does, he
sees it as a privilege. BYU needs another QB on the roster with Lark and Nelson
leaving next year, even if it is just as a backup. The new "quarterback
U's" (USC, Oklahoma, etc) have many QBs on the roster. If BYU wants to
go back to being "QB U" they would be smart to do the same.
utebuster, get real. The first three posts that you suppose came from the hill
are from BYU fans. I almost typed "avid" BYU fans, but I always try to
be truthful. I think our friend from El Paso would throw a tantrum even if a
future BYU QB wins a Heisman and Dave O'Brien award. I don't need to
repeat what has been said about Doman not overthrowing receivers and making poor
decisions, but I'm sure future big-name recruits will be instructed not to
hold press conferences before they suit up.
@VoiceThey should be getting a top qb prospect every single year in
every single recruiting class. That is how you assure yourself of having a
quality qb all of the time. That basicly gives a team 4-5 qb's on its
roster, pretty simple math to figure out. But more puzzling is why
wouldn't you want them to focus on getting top qb's? It is the most
important position on a football team. BYU signs multiple kids at
every other position every single year. They sign multiple dlinemen, multiple
linebackers, multiple defensive backs. multiple wr's, multiple rb's,
multiple offensive linemen, multiple TE's, every single year. They usually
sign 1 qb. How is that out of balance or bad?
The coaches told him he could PLAY for the Y for 4 - 5 years. I take that to
mean red shirt then play 4 or step right in after Riley and save the red shirt
if needed?My point is, what does that say about Tanner Mangum when he
returns off his mission or the other 4 or 5 qb's on the roster?1 of 2
things may be taking place, Gurney may be trying to over hype a recruit (I know
that is shocking) or Doman is making promises he shouldn't be.
I agree with staypuffinpc, Utah has done well considering they've suffered
terribly at qb. Jake was arrogant and entitled. I hope he's mature enough
to realize that. I know a few players on the team, and they won't talk bad
about Jake. But they talk a lot about how good of a leader Riley is.
That's never really mentioned with Jake. I don't know that it's
his fault either. He was young and no doubt had all these expectations of
himself that didn't happen. I hope he does and think he will succeed at
Kansas. I also don't think Jake struggling was much of Doman's fault.
Doman isn't the guy overthrowing 90% of his receivers, but the coach did
need a few games to get into a rhythm with play calling, which is the only part
where Doman could have hung Jake up. I also hope Jake realizes that he does
far better in a spread then in a pro style...comparing 2010 to 2011. As for
Billy, it sounds like he wants to stay close to home, but that's just
gathered from his words in the article.
Another quarterback? I'm scratching my head on this one. It seems BYU these
days thinks of quarterbacks, quarterbacks. What happened to the importance of
having a strong balanced team?Hopefully this young man and his
family will look carefully at the rest of the roster at each school. Where can
this young man play on a TEAM that will support and protect him? Who has
receivers and running backs to balance the offense? BYU might want
to ask these questions of their program. To me they seem kinda too focused on
As a true-blue fan, I'm only mildly interested in this kid at this point,
after watching his highlight video. He's telegraphing most of his throws
and you gotta give major props to his O-line, as he hardly ever seemed to face
much pressure (in the videos).As for Heaps, those who think he
didn't have a fair shake at BYU are totally off-kilter. BYU designed its
playbook for him and he just didn't deliver. What's more, he had no
fire. BYU totally changed their playbook when they changed qbs, so it's
disingenuous to say Doman didn't plan for him.As far as fellow
Y-fans dissing the Ute qbs, give it a rest. Last year they had a bad qb
situation and they still did well. They also did really well with BJ, who
wasn't a particularly great qb, so I think they're able to handle
themselves ok. This year, they've got a couple of great prospects and the
local recruit (Chase Hansen) BYU totally missed out on by offering him at LB.
We'd be lucky to have him.
uteBusters,You know, I don't think most Utes are jealous right
now... they beat us 54-10 with their "D2 QB's" compared to our top
10 QB recruit in the country. It's a team game. Give credit where credit is
@eastcoastcoug"How many HS superstars have we seen now that have come
and left early at BYU??"Instead of posing a question, can you do
us the favor of providing an answer. If I wanted to take a quiz, I'd go
back to high school. And when you post how many superstars have come and left
early, can you also post the number for the other Utah schools. Maybe you could
even include the number for the Utah basketball team.
Actually I think GoGetter is spot-on. I also agree with TJ. As a BYU fan, I know
Heaps was over hyped. He was a great practice football player, but not so much
on the field of battle. He had a sense of entitlement which admittedly Bronco
hates. Apparently he has great skills, but I never really saw it. But I did see
that he definitely lacked in the leadership dept. Nelson may not be all that
great in skills, bet he'll win more games for you than Heaps would.
Let's hope that this kid is the real deal.@ Wayne Rout"Talent at quarterback means nothing, . . ." I would
add,unless you have toughness and leadership to complement that
The hill trolls are just jealous that BYU doesn't have to settle for DII
QBs like they do up on the hill.
Well, all I can say is if Cougar nation would learn not to grant Godship and
overhype this kid, he might just be something extraordinary.I hope
that smell in the air isn't another Jake Hypes. Even as a U fan. The
Cougies need somebody with a accuracy, leadership, no-prettyboy-ness, and sheer
confidence, will power, and determination.Jake Hypes was none of the
It would be great to see another non-LDS QB commit to BYU. There are not many
schools in the country and there is certainly no other school in the state that
compares to BYU in developing QB talent. Not sure where he would fit in with the
Cougars so deep at QB for the next few years but you never know where the next
great one will come from.east coastGrow up. Heaps flushed
himself down the toilet at BYU with his me first attitude and his over-inflated
ego. He had his chance on the field and came up wanting...numerous times. He was
neither well-liked nor respected as a leader by his team mates. Hopefully he
learned some things at BYU that will help him at Kansas. I wish him the best."How many HS superstars have we seen leave BYU early". Probably
less than the average D1 program. What statistics do you have to offer that
would support your opinion?
If this kid is smart, he should have a long talk with Jake Heaps about Coach
Doman's coaching abilities. It may be the most important talk he'll
have at this point in his life.
No point bringing him in if he can't field punts. Talent at quarterback
means nothing, it is how much the head coach likes you. The best thing for
this guy would be to go directly to Kansas to shortcut the whole process.
He had better come not only with a lot of strong skills but also stubborn
confidence. Doman and co. have taken a lot of talent and flushed it down the
drain. How many HS superstars have we seen now that have come and left early at