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Published: Wednesday, June 20 2012 6:00 a.m. MDT

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A Scientist
Provo, UT

"Obviously, non-believers dont see morality as coming from a central source. Instead, they see humanity as living on its own, disconnected from any fertile source of knowledge and goodness."

These statements are absolutely false.

This poor woman, like so many believers, simply swallowed the pill and is now caught up in irrational delusion. Kant's arguments from morality have been shown to be tautological.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

Libresco relates her experience, writing:

" It turns out I actually believed (morality) was some kind of Person, as well as Truth.  And there was one religion that seemed like the most promising way to reach back to that living Truth.  I asked my friend what he suggest we do now, and we prayed the night office of the Liturgy of the Hours together (I’ve kept up with that since).  Then I suggested hugs and playing Mumford and Sons really, really loudly."

So that is the key to finding (the misplaced) god? "Hugs and playing Mumford and Sons really, really loudly"? Now why didn't I think of that? That is better than "Moroni's Challenge"!

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

A Scientist,

Please. No need to go on the attack just because someone left the fold.

Ranch
Here, UT

I've never heard of her. Aside from that though,

"After exploring the roots, concepts and laws of morality, Libresco realized that it could not be defined outside of God."

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Morality derives from human beings interacting with other human beings and realizing that certain things work better for the group than others. Morality derives from each of us, working together. There is no need for a god, any god, to determine what is moral and what is not.

Ted H.
Midvale, UT

Bill Nye,

You'll be ok that she is no longer one of yours and has found God. We'll pray for you. Don't let this ruin your day. God bless!

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Ranch, Morality derives from human beings interacting with other human beings and realizing that certain things work better for the group than others. Morality derives from each of us, working together. There is no need for a god, any god, to determine what is moral and what is not.
You deny the existence of God and therefore an objective, absolute moral authority. But you also believe in the authority of a value system.

This theory is problematic because it does not adequately account for the origin, nature, and basis of morals. He suggests that morals somehow originated in this world and are constantly evolving.
Even if we concede his premise, we must still ask, Where and when did the first moral value originate? Essentially, He is arguing that a value came from a non-value. In rejecting the biblical idea of a Creator whose character establishes a moral standard for values.

Evolutionary ethics rests upon the assumption that values are by nature constantly changing or evolving. It claims that it is of value that values are changing. But is this value changing?

Ranch
Here, UT

@Sharonna;

"This theory is problematic because it does not adequately account for the origin, nature, and basis of morals."

Neither does god. If there isn't one, which you can't prove otherwise, then your entire rationale about "god being the source of morality" fails completely. It is far easier to prove that humans, when interacting will eventually come to an agreement as to what is best (i.e. moral) and what is not - this works well, even without divine intervention.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Ranch, Even J.P. Sarte said the finite makes no sense without the infinite.

The number 1 reason I believe in the God of the Bible: The feasts(9)given to Israel three-fold significance. First there was a seasonal aspect of each holiday. Second they were to be a memorial of God’s dealing with the Hebrews. Third there was a prophetic symbolism of God’s dealing with His church, Jews and Gentiles.

The Anthropic Principle, witnessed in thousands of ways on planet earth, clearly demonstrates that the creation is designed for life, and particularly man, to thrive here. Earth’s environment is so delicately balanced that even slight adjustments or deletions of certain features would make life and human life utterly impossible. A whole book could be written on this with chapters on the perfect order of features in the cosmos (solar system), the atmosphere, the earth’s chemistry, the geology, the hydrologic cycle,

A Scientist
Provo, UT

Twin Lights,

You still don't get it. There is no "fold".

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

A Scientist,

Your reaction indicates otherwise. A loose affiliation at best but the point being that one of your own has left the path.

skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

RE: Sharron:

Man has been on earth tens of thousands of years living a moral life before the Bible times. Therefore, the Bible is not the genesis of man's morals. All of nature conforms to a natural code of morals, if not there would be no order. Perhaps god is just another name for nature and the Bible is man's attempt to explain it.

Searching . . .
Orem, UT

Sharrona,

In the darkest reaches of the Earth's oceans, under the enormous pressure of miles of water, where few creatures can exist, volcanic vents heat the otherwise frigid waters enough that small organisms not only grapple to life, but thrive. They may communicate with each other, reassuring themselves that "God must have planned this great creation for us, for all of the elements of life are given here for our existence, and there is no other location, in this watery vastness of space, that hosts us so well."

sharrona
layton, UT

@ skeptic, Man has been on earth tens of thousands of years living a moral life before the Bible times. Therefore, the Bible is not the Genesis of man's morals?
Let us make man in ‘Our Image’ image and likeness …”(Genesis 1:26)“So God created man in His “OWN(spiritual) Image” male and female…(Genesis 1:27) If there were more than one God it would read in “their image.” The Trinity in the O.T.

To exclude the purposeful intelligence of the Creator from the creation requires one to believe that natural physical elements are Eternal and that those elements, left to themselves over time, can randomly produce all the vast variety of living things.

For in him we live and move and have our Being...(Acts 17:28)Creation is dependent on God for its very existence.… God who gives life to the dead and Calls into Being things that were not.(Romans 4:17 NIV)
How could consciousness come from matter? Can matter think? ..and the spirit returns to God who gave it(Ecc 12:10)

skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

RE: Sharrona,

It is a scientific given that there is a universal intelligence that makes natures material function as it does; even the basic atoms and molecules of a small rock are depended on nature to make it what it is. Man's consciousness is the most amazing element in the universe, but even lower animals and plants exhibit some consciousness and it is conceivable that consciousness evolved from natures' natural intelligence. It is just because it is. Maybe some day we will know why; but what I was saying is that man was practicing moral behavior before the writing of the Bible so he did not learn it from the Bible. Perhaps the Bible improved man's moral behavior, but when one looks around it is difficult to detect a great progress of a good god's supervision.

Jeanie b.
Orem, UT

Skeptic - the lack of progress is not God's problem - or a lack of a God, but rather human's refusal to live as God asks.

Moral behavior came before the Bible...... and so did God.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

Twin Lights,

What?

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Skeptic, It is a scientific given that there is a universal intelligence that makes natures material function as it does; even the basic atoms and molecules of a small rock are depended on nature to make it what it *is.

The intricate order of nature demands an explanation. To deny the purposefulness of the Creator requires NOT FAITH (of the Biblical kind in a Supreme Awesome Designer) but GULLIBILITY in simplistic, humanly contrived concepts that ascribe powers to material objects that are totally impossible. Many hoaxes of evolutionary scientists have been popularized by the popular press for decades, only to be exposed and defeated by serious collective investigation.
The rejection of divine creation (and its cultural implications of moral accountability) by much of modern society has led to a plague of meaninglessness, moral depravity, lawlessness, and the bloodiest century of death in all of human history.

God said unto Moses,” I am “(the BEING) *HE WHO IS (ho on): and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, *HE WHO IS (ho on) hath sent me unto you. (Septuagint Exodus 3:14)

skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

RE: Sharrona,

If I understand what you are saying then I agree; it is usually easier to accept a false positive than to doubt or reject it, in other words it is easier to accept the Bible and go along with a ready made path of answers. (However, it doesn't mean (or make) the answers are necessarily true). But, if that be the case, I wonder why you reject the Mormon doctrine of the BOM, D&C, PGP. They also offer ready made answers that make one's life path easier and provide a sense of security and community.

Jeanie b.
Orem, UT

C.S.Lewis, J.R.R.Tolkien, and G.K. Chesterton (among others)also discovered God, after being atheist, using the same logic that this former atheist blogger did. In fact she followed Chesterton in particular pretty closely.

He was one who loved to hear the criticism of Christianity. But the more he heard the more perplexed he became. The criticisms were not consistent. They actually contradicted each other. Christians were too war-like, they were too meek (weak). They were too judgmental, then too forgiving of others. He began to wonder - with all those conflicting criticisms maybe they all point to something worth looking at.

Like this blogger, he eventually discovered that Christianity fit, like the perfect key to a lock - to the meaning and purpose of life. And he could no more believe as he had and be true to himself.

LValfre
CHICAGO, IL

"Obviously, non-believers dont see morality as coming from a central source."

Completely false. The central source is human survival and well-being. Morals such as not killing one another certainly come from man's experience on this earth. And morals are different per different cultures. The standard principles apply almost everywhere though because they're not centrally from god, Christianity, Islam, etc. ... they're undeniable principles of living among one another. Don't kill, don't steal, etc etc.

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