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Published: Wednesday, June 20 2012 5:00 a.m. MDT

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Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

I wish everyone could understand that logic and reason can and do meld perfectly with being guided by the Holy Ghost. There is no conflict.

Thank you Dr. Paulsen.

grandma sus
Central, UT

Thank you so much. I will be subbing in RS this coming Sunday and have had such a feeling that there is a young woman who needs the lesson I will be teaching. After reading your wonderful article I will prepare the lesson with great care and much prayer!

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Twin Lights, I wish everyone could understand that logic and reason can and do meld perfectly with being guided by the Holy Ghost/Spirit. There is no conflict?

his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones(Jeremiah 20:9)

For though I preach the gospel(euangelion),I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe(oh-vay) is unto me, if I preach not the gospel(euangelion)(1Cor 9:16)

…I want to remind you of the gospel(euangelion) I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel(euangelion) you are Saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures. .(1 Cor 15:1-4 NIV)

…ye should earnestly Contend for the faith which was Once Delivered unto the saints.(Jude 1:3)

Gracie
Boise, ID

In Bellingham, Washington, it's Western Washington University. Eastern Washington Univ. is in Cheney, near Spokane.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Sharrona,

I am not trying to be rude, but I rarely understand your posts. In this specific case, I do not know if your are agreeing or disagreeing with me. The scriptures quoted are interesting but do not appear to be on point.

It might be better if you wrote your thoughts vs. just quoting scriptures. It's not that quoting scripture is bad, It's just that I am not understanding the context. Some elaboration would help.

Thank you.

sharrona
layton, UT

@Twin Lights: It might be better if you wrote your thoughts vs. just quoting scriptures. It's not that quoting scripture is bad, It's just that I am not understanding the context. Some elaboration would help.

Sorry,I use scripture because if I elaborate more I would be censored more. I do try to play by the rules.
RE: I received a spiritual confirmation that the restored gospel is true. Lower criticism refutes that the idea the gospel needs restoring.
…ye should earnestly Contend for the faith which was Once Delivered unto the saints.(Jude 1:3).

2 cor 11:4 Mormonism has a different gospel.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Sharonna,

My post was reference the intertwining of logic and the influence of the Holy Ghost. Not really about the restoration at all.

Since much of your post is about the restoration, I would note the following:

Reference the faith once delivered and a different gospel, the LDS perspective (agree or not) is that the “LDS gospel” if you will, is not a different gospel from what the ancient Christians knew. It is just different from what is generally known by most Christians today.

As to the need for restoration. I simply say “history”. Clearly something needed to be done. Hence the reformation. The cogent question is, was there enough of the truth left (in both authority and doctrine) that a reformation was sufficient?

If so (and I assume you think there was), then great. If not, then a restoration was essential (whether it be this one or another).

ed in atl
Duluth, GA

Well said indeed "Twin Lights"!!.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Twin Lights: The cogent question is, was there enough of the truth left (in both authority and doctrine) that a reformation was sufficient? Yes,

Over 26,000 N.T. quotes from the(2nd c) disciples of the apostles and early church fathers can reconstruct the N.T. less 11 verses.

Christians scholars debate secular and Muslim scholars often in the area of Lower Critcism:
It is not true that we do not possess the original text of the Bible. What we do not possess are the original manuscripts. We have accurate well- preserved Copies of the original text. There are some 5,700 early N.T. MS, and they contain all or nearly all of the original text . The original text can be reconstructed 99% accuracy. There is a distinction between the text and the truth of the text. While we have 99% of the original text, 100% of the truth comes through.
If the original of the triangle was burned in a museum, we have enough copies to reconstruct the origina trianglel. R.C. Sproul

the truth
Holladay, UT

RE: sharrona

If you do not have the original texts but only texts that were written hundreds of years later,

How do know they are accurate?

by what measure are you using to determine accuracy to an unknown original?

It seems a lot of assumptions are being made.

The spirit will bear witness to the truth. Which is why we need to live close to spirit. Much has been lost or changed. hence the need for restoration and for second witnesses.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

the truth wrote to sharrona,

"If you do not have the original texts but only texts that were written hundreds of years later,

How do know they are accurate?"

Allow me to answer. Isn't it obvious? By "the Spirit", or course!

Are you going to try and claim that only YOU have the true "Spirit"?

How do you know?

JoeCoug
OREM, UT

Dr. Paulsen was a Gospel Doctrine teacher in our ward many, many years ago. I loved the way he presented his lessons, with great humility, and will never forget the Spirit I felt while there.

Bro.D
Cornelius, Oregon

@ A Scientist

You said,"Isn't it obvious? By "the Spirit", or course!

Are you going to try and claim that only YOU have the true "Spirit"?"

Of course readers of the Bible can and do recieve a confirmation of the Spirit and the LDS church does not refute the accuracy of the Bible as we too believe the Bible is holy scripture. We do however believe that other "truths" are missing from the Bible due to the errors and editing of man. We believe that the Lord restored His church to the way it was in actual Biblical times (not in 325ad when the Bible was put together). To restore His church he gave us another record of His interactions with those "other sheep" He spoke of...thus The Book of Mormon. Not only does The Book of Mormon provide another testimony of Jesus Christ, it clearifies those "truths' that were lost from the Bible. This is what we refer to as the "fullness" of the Gospel. The Spirit will bear testimony of all truth...what remains of the Bible today is true but missing important doctrine...thus the restoration. The LDS just have more truth of the Gospel.

Heart and Mind
BUENA VISTA, VA

Getting back on topic...Dr. Paulsen shared a wonderful story. Thank you. I was especially touched that it came after making a big, personal sacrifice. It would have been so easy for Brother Paulsen, a very experienced teacher, to just "wing-it." But as we know,"Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of Heaven." I hope that because of this story we will have more courage to make personal sacrifices in following strong promptings.

The Caravan Moves On
Enid, OK

@ Sharrona: "The cogent question is, was there enough of the truth left (in both authority and doctrine) that a reformation was sufficient? Yes,...."

Sharrona, actually the answer to your question is "no".

With the obvioius understanding that the "authority" you speak of is actually the authority of God, and with the simple but true understanding that "authority" could also then be substituted for the word "permission", it is easy to understand the inherent truth that one either has ALL the authority of God or they have none of it. You either have God's permission to act in his name or you don't; there simply is no in-between.

Therefore, if God's authority is upon the earth and then it is removed (for whatever the reason) it is simply gone, and gone in it's entirety. It simply is not possible to retain "a little" of God's authority.

This clear understanding, then, points most definitely to the need for a complete "restoration" and not just a "reformation". I'm glad you see the need for authority and Latter-day Saints deeply honor the great "reformers" but they knew even more needed to be received from Heaven.

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