@fender " BTW, dual threat QBs are often listed as athletes or defensive
backs. Doesn't mean they can't or won't be playing QB at the D1
level or that their rating doesn’t include QB skills."Lol,
really? Tell that to Tyrone Swoopes, Taysom Hill, Jihad Vercher, Jake Lloyd,
etc. All dual-threat QB's being recruited as (gasp) dual-threat QB's.
I agree with you that nobody knows if Hansen, or Hill, are going to
be good D1 QB's. However, I DO know, and tried to point out to U, that
Chase Hansen is currently the 4th-string QB behind Wynn (senior), Hayes (DII
QB), and Wilson (freshman), that he's planning on red-shirting this year,
and will leave on a mission after this year.Hill, meanwhile, is
looked at as the 3rd string QB behind Nelson (senior) and Lark (senior). He is
expected to be the starting QB for BYU next season.Guess we'll
have to wait 3 years to see if Hansen starts at QB for Utah.Go
This kid will never play for BYU.
@fenderMost of the time it is fun but that is not what you were
attempting to do here. And no I do not "give myself way to much credit"
since you are the one that brought me into it. Go look at the article about the
orange county kid utah got a committment from, in that case another utah
"fan" brought me into it. I am in your heads or else you wouldn't
bring me up. It is fun for me however, all I ask is that there be some semblence
of truth in the comments utah "fans" make. It is when there is a
componenet of truth that the back and forth is more effective for each side.
Duckhunter,You give yourself way too much credit. Assuming that
this edited comment will pass muster, I can assure you nobody is fixated on you,
but your comments about Utah football do invite a response. Most of the time
it's all in fun, so you can relax and enjoy the back and forth with the
rest of us.
@fenderYou're floundering, badly.Chase was not
rated as qb despite your tortured attempts to claim otherwise. His ratings were
as an athlete and he is a great athlete, I've aknowledged it many times. It
has been reported in this paper, and the Tribune, multiple times that BYU told
Chase they were not recruiting him as a qb. I don't need to "read the
coaches minds" because it has been widely reported. I've
never "ripped" the kid, not once. I am just telling you his arm is not
D1 quality and no one but utah even gave him the option to try and play qb. If
you can't handle that then that is your problem but let me tell you what
this is really about.I am right. I know the kids here in this area,
like Chase and Talon. I know what they have done and what they can do. You
don't know anything at all about either of them other than what you have
read. Talon does have a 40" vertical but you don't know it so you mock
it.You've become a joke with your fixation on me.LOL!
Truecoug1Understand you're just tryin to bail out a brother,
but it doesn’t fly. The issue isn’t whether or not one scouting
site or three rate Hansen higher than Hill. One reputable site is more than
enough to make my point and Hill isn’t rated higher than Hansen by any
site on any basis. BTW, dual threat QBs are often listed as athletes or
defensive backs. Doesn't mean they can't or won't be playing QB
at the D1 level or that their rating doesn’t include QB skills. Rivals
listed Riley Nelson, BYU’s current starter, as a safety, even though he
was being recruited as a QB by several D1 schools.I have no idea if
Hansen is a D1 level QB or not, and I’m not making the argument one way or
the other. The point is if you're gonna rip one these athletes with
comments like Duck’s, back it up with a legitimate source and don’t
pretend you know what’s in the mind of a school’s coaching staff,
when in fact you don't.
@fender "While you're busy spreading sunshine about Taysom Hill and
ripping on Hansen, it might be good to point out that Hansen, as a QB, is rated
higher than Hill by both by Rivals and ESPN."Lol, just to set
the facts straight, Rivals has Hansen listed higher as an ATHLETE (#20, Hill is
listed at #30 as a QB) and Scout has him listed as an OLB (#44, Hill comes in
again at #30 QB). ESPN does indeed have him as a QB ranked higher than Hill.Two out of the three main recruiting sites don't even see him as
being a QB and apparently Utah doesn't either, since I haven't seen
anything indicating he'll crack the 3-deep in the QB rotation.No question Hansen's a good athlete and a great get for Utah, but watch
your facts before you post.Go Cougars!
WON84May well be so, but if someone is going to come on these boards
and dissect one of these kids, my view is they had better be able to back it up
with something. If Duck wanted to come on here and say "I've watched
this kid throw and in my humble opinion I don't believe he has a D1 quality
arm", I have no beef with that, but to act as though you speak the gospel
truth (not to mention you imply you're speaking for the BYU coaching
staff), when 2 reputable recruiting sites both say differently. No, sorry, that
dog won't hunt.
Rafinsure you will need to eat your words when Utah's offensive coordinator
makes those same offers. You seem to be blind to the similar problems at your
fender, there is no question that Hansen is a fine athlete though simply through
reading on these message boards I've come across discussion about the
position Hansen will play in college whereas I haven't seen such discussion
about Hill. This doesn't invalidate your statement about
Hansen's superior ranking on Rivals and ESPN but, it does lead you to
wonder if there are some questions about Hansen as a QB.
Utah-Hawaii Alum, if BYU is in such trouble why not just let the ship sink?
There really shouldn't be anything to discuss if they're in such
trouble so I'd suggest that you and your buddies quit losing sleep over it.
DuckSo now you speak for the BYU coaching staff? Obviously you have
something against Hansen, since you go out of your way to badmouth the kid every
chance you get. While you're busy spreading sunshine about Taysom Hill and
ripping on Hansen, it might be good to point out that Hansen, as a QB, is rated
higher than Hill by both by Rivals and ESPN. I know, I know, you're gonna
tell us now you know hill personally or you coached him and he has a 40"
vertical and has 10 D1 scholarship offers in basketball.
Utah-Hawaii Alum"Regardless, BYU is in beyond serious trouble.
Honestly, they need to go Big Sky at this point. Their November schedule will
not be televised."You seem to be jealous of BYU? Why else would
you say such ridiculous things? BYU will only get better over the next few
years. If I were Utah I would never play BYU in November because BYU will beat
you at least 50% of the time. If I were BYu I would not play Utah early in the
season because there are too many great programs who want to play BYU early in
the season. There goes the rivalry... which is a mess anyway... reminds me of a
civil war where people don't speak to each other for months afterwards no
matter the outcome.. .Stupid game that should be done away with.. BTW.. Go
Aggies. As far as BYU's November TV Schedule goes... If ESPN
doesn't want them then BYU TV will pick them up. BYU TV is available in
over 60 million homes nation wide. It's Kind of a Big Deal! Maybe a
comparison of other cable channels you should do. eh?
There is a long road of prep-football to play. There are three long football
season's for Kafentzis anything can happen. If he stays healthy
and true to his early promise the kid has awesome potetial.Who knows
what the future holds.
@Uncle SamI've seen two of those new Jordan kids (both of them
from California) and they are pretty athletic.
@williaryNo I never said that, you are lying albeit in a weak
attempt top mock me.The reason BYU didn't want Chase Hansen as
a qb is because he can't throw and doesn't have a D1 quality arm which
most utah "fans" found out from utah's spring practices. BYU
obviously does want dual threat qb's, look at Taysom Hill who will no doubt
be running over, and around, teams in a year or two while also actually being
able to throw the ball down field unlike Hansen who will be playing defense for
utah. Like navl vet you fail at your attempts ad let me tell you why
so you can work on it. There has to actually be an element of truth to the
things you post about other people. Since yours had no basis in truth it
failed.I did enjoy how you made an entire post about me though,
thank you. I love being in utah "fans" heads.LOL!
True Blue you're exactly right, offering first does make an impression that
lasts with the kid. Good for Austin, he proved a lot of people wrong, me
included, and has shown he's a serious talent.
Utah-Hawaii AlumI know I'm breaking one of my cardinal rules by
even responding to you, but I bet I see more BYU games in November, live, from
my great room in Richland, WA than you see Utah games, live, in November from
your easy chair in Texas.
People back up and wait a minute in less than 72 hours Utah will be offering
this kid...Right Kyle! or Coach Whitty!
Jordan graduated all of their skill players last year, so they are going out of
state to bring in new ones. Right now there are three new faces on campus.
Regardless, BYU is in beyond serious trouble. Honestly, they need to go Big Sky
at this point. Their November schedule will not be televised.
@Yobanfa,Let the idiots blather. I was an opposing coach against
this young man and I was a doubter until I saw him play. The boy has skills and
his mechanics just got better as the season wore on. He's obviously
coachable and I'm looking forward to what he'll do these next couple
For those of you who doubt Austin, here is the inside scoop. This kid can flat
out play! Learning under Coach Kjar for the next 3 years will greatly enhance
his considerable talents. Kjar has sent his last two senior QB's to Utah
State and to BYU. They shatter passing records in his program, he is highly
knowledgable and knows how to develop QB's. Not only does this Austin throw
extememly well, but he is deceptively fast on his feet.Austin's
family is NOT LDS and he will NOT be going on a mission for the LDS church. This
offer is for show only as many any elite programs have inquired about him. Coach
Nussmeier Alabama's O coordinator was out here for a visit a month or two
ago and visited the Beetdigger campus. Fact is EVERY program in this state and
all of the elite programs will be knocking down his door after this year. Keep
an eye on this years Beetdigger team they are going to be very special!
I think it's too early. But an offer at this point is merely symbolic. If
Brandon sees something, let's hope he is right. We are talking about the
2020 season by the time he starts at BYU.
BlueNtheFace:"And here's to hoping that the UofU make it to
higher than 8th place in the PAC-12. You're embarrassing the other
'mid majors' by flopping in the big league."I think
what you MEANT to say, in your own frantic and emotional way that is, "I
hope the UofU finishes lower than last year's SIXTH place, because
they've embarrassed the cougars. First by getting invited to a relevant
conference while we got stuck back in the WAC, and then AGAIN by pounding us --
at Home no less -- 54-10, and in front of a national audience."Sad, green-with-envy, mid-majorey coug.
UtahUte16 has it right, make sure this kid has good coaching in the Jav, it is
extremely stressful on the body and if you dont do it right you can seriously
injure yourself. I saw that throw too, it was incredible, he has major potential
in track and field, but if football is where your heart is you should be really
careful about injuries.
Mightymite: He can go on a mission any time he wants before he turns 25. What
does being offered a scholarship have to do with that? And the BYU coaches
already addressed the pressure this may cause the normal recruit. Re-read the
article. I think your main problem is WHO is recruiting him and the personal
issues you have with that school.markymark: He threw 23 TDs and 19
INTs. A lot of INTs but understandable for a young QB entering big boy football
(12 INTs in his first 6 games). Sorenson is already taken, not available. Why
bring him up in a recruiting article? Also, even if Jordan is 5-10, I
wouldn't be surprised if he grew another 3 or 4 inches in 3 years. Would
you? Good luck on your prediction on this year's game. And here's to
hoping that the UofU make it to higher than 8th place in the PAC-12. You're
embarrassing the other "mid majors" by flopping in the big league.Go Cougs.
The cougar fan in texas must have overlooked the INTs in the stats. I can't
remember them exactly but he threw about 21 TDs and 25 INTs. I might be a little
off but he had over 20 for sure. Not to mention he is about 5'10", i
know the roster might say he's 6'1" but he isn't even close.
His mechanics are bad too. Those will get better with time working with the
coach at Jordan who is a really good QB coach. BYU already has a guy like this
in alex kuresa, same with the starter. As long as they keep playing and
recruiting guys like this they will be a mediocre team like they have been the
last few years. The best college qb in the state is the Sorensen kid at SUU, not
even a debate. I know all the Y homers want to think they are getting better but
they are getting worse. The U will beat them by 50 again.
Just to correct CougFaninTX, Jamal Willis played for BYU from 1991-1994. He was
a record setting running back for the Cougars and is remembered fondly. He also
played for the '49ers if I'm not mistaken. BYU recruit Jamaal
Williams is the guy who looks to be a pretty good future asset for BYU. Just to
set the record straight :)
@rafinsure - Offering a scholorship to a Freshman is rare. But a Freshman who
puts up these kind of numbers is also rare. He has proven he can play D1 at an
early age, why not offer him now. Look at some of the top talent and there are
many of them that are offered early in their high school years. BYU needs to
recruit WR? Apo and Hoffman may be best book end WRs in the Western US the next
two years. Josh Weeks and Dylan Collie in the pipeline look pretty bright also.
Jamal Willis will be a nice addition at RB, and if Juice reaches his potential
this year or next year - watch out.@williary - If BYU is not
interested in dual threat QBs, why do they have Riley Nelson, Taysom Hill and
Ammon Olsen? Hansen chose U because U offered him as a QB, and Y offered him as
a LB. If BYU saw him as a dual threat QB who had a chance of starting, the
recruiting could have looked much different. Whit is famous for moving QBs and
Hansen is much more likely to see action on the D side, even for U.
Timing is everything Williary. Chase woulda been one more horse in a stable
full of stallions. This kid is the start of the next generation of qbs.
Impossible. Duckhunter has told us time and time again that BYU is not
interested in these Dual-Threat QB's. Otherwise, they would have scooped
up Chase Hansen last year, instead of letting him go to Utah.Right
Anyone who has ever experienced blowback from pushing a kid too fast will
testify to the fact that the results can be ugly and the road along the way to
the results might not be too pretty either. But what the heck, right? It's
football and football is what is important to us a nation. Kids are cheap, a BCS
bowl bid is very, very expensive.
I saw that this young man threw javelin this last track and field season, he
obviously has a huge arm. But, if you plan on pursuing a college QB career, I
would be careful with throwing jav. Believe it or not, javelin seriously messes
people's bodies up all the time. If you have the proper instruction, you
will probably be okay. But if you're just going out there and hucking it,
you will ruin your arm. I started throwing the jav my senior year and strained
a ligament by my elbow and to this day if I throw something hard it can be very
painful, my arm will never be the same. Keep that arm healthy, kid!
Why not graduate early. There is no reason to play 3 more years. He has proven
he can play now. Playing more than 2 more years isn't a risk worth taking.
Great decision by Brandon to make a promising young talent like Austin Kafentzis
an early scholarship offer - it means that BYU will be on Austin's radar
for the next three years.And, never discount the lasting positive
impression that can be created by being the first team to offer a young player a
scholarship.Brandon is going to be a great Offensive Coordinator;
the naysayers are simply demonstrating their lack of vision and understanding of
I don't quite understand the advantage being the first to offer, especially
at such an early age. A lot can happen in the next 3 years. I realize there are
offers extended as early as 6th grade, but I just don't see that it does
the kid or the school any good.
I'm sorry. This kid is entering his sophomore year. So, he has three years
to possibly crash and burn. Really? You offer a kid a scholarship who's not
even a junior.
It's obvious that Brandon Doman is a rookie offensive coordinator.
Mendenhall should have begged and pleaded with Norm Chow to come back. I think
it's a bit much to offer a sophomore a scholarship. You never know whether
or not the kid will crash and burn over the next two years. Furthermore, BYU
recruits quarterbacks like they're going out of style. BYU needs to focus
on improving its offensive line, wide receivers and running backs in order to
stay competitive. Finally, the secondary needs to improve as well.