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Published: Thursday, June 14 2012 12:38 p.m. MDT

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Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

We may have issues in Utah with taking care of our less fortunate, certainly something we should change and become as charitable as we profess to be, but to draw any conclusion that it is linked with marriage is just silly. Mormons shouldn't be attacked for keeping to a standard and the rest of the country shouldn't attack anyone, Mormon or not, for holding to a value.

TheWalker
Saratoga Springs, UT

'Mainstream acceptance'? 30 states have ratified one-man - one-woman marriage amendments, and EVERY TIME it has been presented to the people, same-sex marriage has been rejected.

Sounds more like 'Mainstream rejection' me.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ TheWalker: Yes, several years ago when same-sex marriage was on the ballot in those states, it was voted against.

But that is why the story uses the phrase "increasingly accepts" - to indicate that those attitudes and opinions are changing.

Recent polls indicate that more than 53% of the US population supports same-sex marriage.

Schwa
South Jordan, UT

Irony indeed.

Kramer's Corner
Penryn, CA

@Kalindra
I doubt the validity of those polls. This nation is still a moral one. It's people will never give up the fight for decency. Homosexual activity will always be viewed as a dark practice that leads a society down the road to distruction and if everyone practiced that life style human life would cease.

the_lobotomist
PORTLAND, OR

I used to get really excited about DN articles that had to do with social issues such as gay marriage... But now I feel that the DN journalists are beating it into the ground.

Gay marriage will eventually become "mainstream", (as some like to put it); and there isn't anything that anyone can do about it.

Just get over it, and move on. It doesn't affect your marriage, so leave it be.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

A person almost has to be low I.Q. to believe that same sex marriage is a threat to normal marriage. This doesn't mean however that same sex marriage is a good thing. If the relationship between gay people is allowed to be called marriage, with all the rights that married people have, what is to prevent gay people from standing in line and being successful in adopting children who otherwise could have had a mother and a father?

Ranch
Here, UT

@Johnny Triumph;

Same-sex marriage is a "value" to me. I'm holding to it. Should I be praised or castigated?

@The Walker;

Can we put your marriage up to a vote?

IMAN
Marlborough, MA

Mormonism may or may not have a "marriage problem". If mormonism does have a "marriage problem" it would be interesting to see where it falls on the problem list.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

I’ve often wondered the twisted irony of this myself…

Polygyny [one man - plural wives],
Polyandry [one woman - plural husbands],
Spiritual Wifery,
hundreds of women had themselves “Sealed” to the martyred Prophet Joseph?

I wish I had the answers [hence my pondering]
And I’m not rationalizing, justifying, or trying to stir the pot of the marriage controversy – But our Mormon history regarding marriages remains a fact and we need to deal with it.

Since it’s going to come to light, we need to be prepared with the answers – and stick our heads in the sand or ignore the truth.

Things to consider, that's all I'm saying...

Ranch
Here, UT

@cjb;

They're being given up for adoption, so clearly, their "traditional" mother and father didn't want them. Why is it so bad for a gay couple to adopt them?

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

What is ironic to me is that the mormon church is doing EXACTLY what was done to them when they were practicing polygamy. They wanted to do it, and everybody else persecuted them for how they wanted to live. Now the church, oddly enough, is trying to prevent gay marriage. Double standard?? Do they not remember what it was like to be persecuted for living according their beliefs?? It is like telling somebody they can't drink, or smoke. If you don't like it, don't do it. but don't tell somebody else not to do it.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Brahmabull" actually it is different. Gay Marriage Advocates are using the hype to force other to accept their way of life. Just look at all of the lawsuits that go on because a person does not approve of the gay lifestyle and does not want to do something to promote it. People like fertility Drs, photographers, to wedding planners have been sued because they do not approve of gay marriage.

There is no persecution going on. The LDS church has said that the gays can do what whatever they want, just don't call it marriage. If gays went after the same rights, but called it something different, and unique, they probably could get what they are after. As it stands, they have an adgenda that ultimately devalues marriage, and like europe has found, makes marraige so unimportant that few people actually get married.

LelandTC
West Valley City, 00

@Ranch
I read an article about a study done at a Texas University that showed statistics between children raised in heterosexual families and homosexual families. The study showed a considerable increase of homosexual tendencies and teen suicide in homosexual families vs. heterosexual. This study should in no way reflect upon any individual union, but shows a trend we should be aware of. A simple internet search of such studies should provide more information to anyone who is really interested in facts rather than conjecture.

Melanna
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ Leland: Actually, what the study showed was that children whose parents divorce suffer problems - regardless of whether the divorced parent then participates in heterosexual, homosexual, or no additional relationships.

A recent article in this paper had a link to the study.

Of course, the study also raises a lot of questions - primarily based on the funding of the study and the method in which the study was conducted. The most telling thing about the study is the title - before the data was even examined the author of the study assumed there would be differences. And he arranged the data to make sure those differences were found.

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

Redshirt - get real. A person cannot be sued because they do not approve of gay marriage. You can be sued if you refuse service to somebody because they are gay, it is called discrimination. It is like turning somebody down because of their race, rediculous right? And who cares if they call it marriage?? Polygamy was called plural MARRIAGE. Oponents of plural marriage thought that it devalued marriage too, hence the persecution.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Redshirt
"To "Brahmabull" actually it is different. Gay Marriage Advocates are using the hype to force other to accept their way of life."

That's not true at all but hey I understand you need to legitimize your total hypocrisy since I imagine you think Smith and company were persecuted.

Dan Maloy
Enid, OK

Agreed: Mormonism is headed towards a huge fight over what defines "marriage"....male/female or are homosexual relationships included in the definition?

As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints I say, bring it on. Pushed into this battle of morality by militant pro-homosexuals, it has been brewing for quite some time. (and don't even try to claim it was the LDS church who started this fight with Prop 8 because if homosexuals had not tried to have homosexual relationships defined as "marriage" in CA then the LDS church NEVER would have had a cause/fight to take up)

Although, I must warn you, it won't be a fair fight. It never is when God is on your side.

trueblue87
Provo, UT

@LDS Liberal

Spiritual wifery was a false doctrine used by apostates to justify their sins. Joseph Smith Jr. nor any of his contemporaries practiced nor taught this doctrine.

BrentBot
Salt Lake City, UT

Societies which honor traditional marriage will ultimately prevail. As the late British social anthropologist Joseph Daniel Unwin noted in his study of world civilizations, any society that devalued the nuclear family soon lost what he called "expansive energy," which might best be summarized as society's will to make things better for the next generation. In fact, no society that has loosened sexual morality outside of man-woman marriage has survived.

Analyzing studies of cultures spanning several thousands of years on several continents, Chairman of Harvard University’s sociology department, Pitirim Sorokin. found that virtually all political revolutions that brought about societal collapse were preceded by a sexual revolution in which marriage and family were devalued by the culture’s acceptance of homosexuality.

Too many politicians are myopic, and fail to see the long range implications of their actions.

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