Can anyone here justify the taking of Mexican territory in the 1800's? Or
the taking of Indian territory and near-genocide of Native Americans by both
Mexico the U.S. that preceded it?
Yet an independent audit found nothing in the curriculum to encourage
resentment? If the LA Times is leftist, is the Arizona Republic, a notoriously
right-wing newspaper, any more credible? Sounds like the right-wing heavies in
AZ have been trying to censor history.
Re: "Bad Arizona decision cuts Mexican-American studies program"Yeah, Arizona really needs advice from the LA Times -- or ANY California
information outlet, for that matter -- on what's a bad way to ease ethnic
tensions.Just spend a few minutes in Compton or East L.A. and
you'll see they're clearly the experts.
I grew up in Arizona. I served a Spanish speaking church mission in the US. I
love Latin culture, and have had several good Latino friends. And, I want the
border closed to illegals. This is no contradiction. I would not presume to
enter another country in a way that violates their laws. I am glad I grew up in
a culture so rich with Mexican and Native American influences. It gave me a
love of learning about and experiencing other cultures. I also expect people of
ANY culture to abide by the laws of the land, no matter where they are. Illegal
is a crime, not a race. Everything I read about the Tucson program
said it DID promote rebellion and hatred. It didn't just teach that the
land was taken from Mexico, it promoted resentment for that act, and encouraged
re-taking it. In short, it subtly fomented rebellion, committed sedition and
treason. Encouraging hate is wrong, no matter what race the person
is doing it. Some of you commenting here need to check your own hate and quit
using the excuse that you’re hating in the name of social justice.
It's still wrong.
Why doesnt the owner of the L.A.Times simply replace their writers with illegal
immigrants? Their newspaper would be the same and they could save some
money!Next to La Raza, the L.A. Times is the most vocal advocate of
illegal immigrant trespassing.Their credibility is just north of 0.
Kalifornia is a perfect example of the results of institutionally aided illegal
immigrant advocacy.They're broke!
@NoodlekaboodleI said nothing concerning Mexicans in my earlier
post. I referred only to illegal aliens -- who solemnly disdain this country,
its sovereignty, and its laws, and disrespect its people. So why in
the world would you bring up Mexicans, Noodlekaboodle? Please tell. Illegal is not a race; it is a crime.And you are skewing the
history of the Southwest territory there just a little bit, Noodlekaboodle, in
your later comment.
It's not a matter of teaching history- I have nothing against that.
However, what they were teaching and why they wouldn't release their
curriculem to the state board of education is that they were teaching the kids
that the "white culture" took "their" country away, they were
advocating taking it back- that it was the "right" of Latinos- by force
if necessary. They threatened other (as in white) teachers in the school
district if they talked about the program and they fueled resentment among the
Latino students for the United States and it's culture. The state board of
Education under Tom Horne was not able to work with the district to find out how
this fit with state requirements and to get clear information about this
program- the district was very defiant and very secretive. It was just not a
good situation. The Arizona Republic did an in depth report about it 5 or 6
years ago and it was very disturbing to read about what was going on. The LA
Times clearly doesn't know what they are talking about in this article-
this is shoddy and sensational journalism.
@MacMamaWell, I don't know about the taking it back part. But look at
history. America did fight a war and take over the territory formerly known
about northern Mexico.If you don't like history does that mean we
shouldn't teach it?
I lived in Arizona and am fairly familiar with this program in Tucson. It is a
fact that for years, the district refused to submit anything to the state board
of education about this program in spite of their legal obligation to do so.
Teachers in the district were threatened if they disclosed anything about the
program but it did come out that the Latino students were taught that Arizona
was taken from the Mexican people illegally in the Mexican-American war and it
was their right to take it back. The Arizona Republic did an in depth report on
this program and it was extremely disturbing to read what the district was doing
and promoting. Quite honestly- having lived in the area I totally support the
state law as that was the only thing that got the attention of the Tucson School
District and their requirement to comply with state standards. The LA Times
needs to focus on the problems in California and keep their collective noses out
of Arizona. A bias is very evident in this article on their part.
Planet Los Angeles has no communication with earth.Tons of evidence
that the program did not comply with school rules. They didn't even submit
to the text book and curriculum rules.
@Anti-liar?Right, because no Mexicans in Arizona are legal. None of them.
100% of them illegally entered the country. That makes sense right?
"The law, which was enacted in 2010 but took effect last year, outlaws
school programs that "promote resentment toward a race or class of
people" or that advocate for "the overthrow of the U.S." or that
encourage "ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as
individuals."-------When the towers were attacked on
9-11, we didn't leave it to the individual families whose members were
murdered to seek protection and justice. We acted as a nation or as a group to
take care of the problem.Fact is those people weren't attacked
because they were the indivividuals they were, but because they were Americans,
therefore America as a cohesive unit went after the terrorists.
"Bad laws that promise to drive out illegal immigrants are what is provoking
that resentment, not textbooks..."The L.A. Times is lying. The
reason illegal aliens resent laws designed to punish them and drive them out of
the country is that they have no respect whatsoever for the country. There is
nothing "bad" about the laws themselves, of course.