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Published: Tuesday, June 12 2012 2:18 p.m. MDT

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floridian
navarre, fl

Not being a Constitutional lawyer, or anything even close to one, I find it interesting -- and very disturbing -- that the Constitution can be interpreted in so many different ways. And not just with this issue of same-sex marriage, but look at the different rulings handed down with the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare). So, once again we will need to turn to the Supreme Court to render a decision. I would suggest we need a major study of why the significant differences in interpretation and find a solution.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Hatch would have done DOMA and our country much more good if he had NOT voted in FAVOR of confirmation of Eric Holder as Attorney General.

Hatch finds it easier to "goa long to get along" in Washington than to stand up and really fight for the conservative principles he claims to have.

Hatch needs to be replaced.
Dan Liljenquist is getting my vote!

travelrus
murray, UT

I'm going to vote for Scott Howell, he will stand up in Washington to represent my principles. I believe in equality for everyone.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

I find it interesting that BO says while he personally supports gay marriage, he favors allowing individual states to decide. But he refuses to defend DOMA, which is intended to do just that - allow individual states to decide.

non believer
PARK CITY, UT

I would love to hear how the sanctity of marriage would be ruined if we allow gay and lesbian couples to marry? The Sanctity of marriage is biblical.... OK, how does this pertain to nonreligious people? So nonreligious people have to abide by the rules of the religious? This entire argument makes no sense! Who your neighbor, co-worker, family memeber marries is none of your business and for the conservative right to make it their business is truly repulsive! Until your God makes his judgement upon YOU! Leave the rest of the US to make up it's own mind on who they love and want to marry!

deep in thought
Salt Lake, UT

@ non-believer

Let's explore my view of likely impacts of Government fully accepting same sex marriage...

step 1: Government embraces same sex marriage, it becomes completely legal and protected by the constitution.

step 2: Gay/lesbian lifestyle has to be protected and taught same as a "straight" lifestyle in school Children of all ages are introduced to both gay and straight options during the maturation programs. Proms become open to both gay and straight couples. Teenagers as a whole become far more aware of gay lifestyle and embrace it.

step 3: As children go through the awkward teenage years they experiment perhaps both with straight and gay relationships. With less and less stigma, far more people become part of a gay couple. Close BFF girls and BFF boys wonder if their relationship is "something more" when other generations would have never thought. Lines of gender identity are blurred. Other alternative lifestyles like polygamy and polyandry also must be accepted as between "consenting adults".

The final question ... is this choice really the right one for children? Down the line 15 years or so will be have a stronger nation? Let's not be short sighted. We are changing everything.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

@ deep in thought

"As children go through the awkward teenage years they experiment perhaps both with straight and gay relationships. With less and less stigma, far more people become part of a gay couple"

I don't recall, ever having to make a decision to like boys or girls. I am naturally, and strongly wired to be attraced to those of my opposite sex. I am going to go out on a limb and say the vast majority of people are in a similar situation.

I don't think there has been an increase in homosexuality in recent years, only that people are more willing to admit it publicly. Before, people would just keep quiet and try to conform to a hetero relationship, trying to be someone they are not.

howard12
Provo, UT

I believe that of all the things he could, Hatch should not be focusing on court action. Leaving the question of same-sex marriage alone, Hatch's job is not to file amicus briefs to federal courts, but he is supposed to write legislation and pass bills. There are tons of organizations and groups that can write briefs and defend DOMA. Utah only has 2 senators. Let the advocacy groups do their job, and you do yours. That is why your running for a 7th term right?

swede1952
Smithfield, UT

With two weeks before Utah votes, I question whether this action concerning marriage, is Orrin Hatch's attempt at an "October surprise" in June??? Many Utahns support traditional marriage. I hope this is NOT an attempt by Hatch to win votes. If so, I think it is reprehensible!

IMAN
Marlborough, MA

Re: Deep in thought.
Please spare us the "its for the children" argument. It is an argument that is way past weak. The comments your wrote make you appear as the antithesis of your handle.

ulvegaard
Medical Lake, Washington

Many look at this issue as one of "fairness". Heterosexual couples marry, it is discrimination that same sex couples can't -- and its a great argument and has merit.

However, that's not where it ends and in several situations, it has proven to be anything but an attempt at extracting equality from society. Our nation has a long history of over compensating for past discrimination. Affirmative action had great intentions, but it has come to the point where being a white, protestant male, my chances of getting hired are greatly reduced because of hiring quotas that must be filled. Some say this is just making up for past 'sins'. Well, I wasn't the one who discriminated 'back then'. The courts are jammed with law suits over things that happened generations ago and innocent people are having their property confiscated to make it all good.

Equality is great, but evidence suggests that before this is all over, my family may eventually become suspect because we are not gay.

Samaritan01
Yuma, CO.

Hatch is part of the old-line Republican establishment who often want to be thought of as supporters of the Tea Party Conservatives however they are much more likely to "Go along to get along."

Remember how often Hatch, "Reached across the aisle" to support Ted Kennedy and the Left? Hatch needs to retire in favor of someone more Conservative.

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

ulvegaard: "Well, I wasn't the one who discriminated 'back then'. The courts are jammed with law suits over things that happened generations ago and innocent people are having their property confiscated to make it all good.

Equality is great, but evidence suggests that before this is all over, my family may eventually become suspect because we are not gay."

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Let's look at a few places where gay marriage is the law.

MA - Can you say that gays who have married there are getting a better shake than those who have a traditional marriage? I cannot see any difference in their rights or privileges except on the Federal level. Can you prove differently?

"Well, I want't the one who discriminated 'back then.'" But you want to be the one that does so now? That doesn't make sense. Just read the constitution. You will see that Doma is unconstitutional. It is pretty obvious.

homers
Provo, UT

@howard12 -Interfacing with the other two branches of government is part of Senator Hatch's job. Amicus briefs are a long held tradition employed for well over a 100 years. The Supreme Court is ruling on a law duly passed by Congress and they may validate it or invalidate it. I think the brief was appropriate and part of what I elected Senator Hatch to do. I have read the brief and would imagine that the Court, in their deliberation over DOMA, would be grateful to hear what the "lawmakers" had in mind when they made the law. IS that so hard to understand?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@lost in DC
DOMA doesn't allow individual states to decide, it imposes federal rules restricting all states from having gay marriages recognized.

Furry1993
Clearfield, UT

To Samaritan01 9:45 a.m. June 13, 2012

Hatch needs to retire in favor of someone more Conservative.

9:45 a.m. June 13, 2012

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Anyone "more conservative" than Hatch would fall off the far right wing of the political spectrum.

Inis Magrath
Fort Kent Mills, ME

The Senator's own brief defeats their argument.

From the Article --- "the Senators state that the law was passed to avoid a "legal and practical nightmare" in which same-sex marriages in Hawaii would impact other states and the federal government."

So, some gay people might get married, and the result is a "nightmare" to be avoided by Federal law. There's the animus for all to see, except those so blinded by their own prejudices. Marriage equality is not a "nightmare" in any sense of the word.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

deep: "step 1... step 2... step 3..."

You say this like they are bad things.

waterperson
Saint George, UT

Orin Hatch lost my vote when he voted for the NDAA and also send around letters to voters saying Barry Obama is legit. VOTE FOR DAN.

waterperson
Saint George, UT

Hatch voted for NDAA so he lost me vote. Why would he vote for this?

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