Hatch voted for NDAA so he lost me vote. Why would he vote for this?
Orin Hatch lost my vote when he voted for the NDAA and also send around letters
to voters saying Barry Obama is legit. VOTE FOR DAN.
deep: "step 1... step 2... step 3..."You say this like they
are bad things.
The Senator's own brief defeats their argument.From the Article
--- "the Senators state that the law was passed to avoid a "legal and
practical nightmare" in which same-sex marriages in Hawaii would impact
other states and the federal government."So, some gay people
might get married, and the result is a "nightmare" to be avoided by
Federal law. There's the animus for all to see, except those so blinded by
their own prejudices. Marriage equality is not a "nightmare" in any
sense of the word.
To Samaritan01 9:45 a.m. June 13, 2012 Hatch needs to retire in
favor of someone more Conservative.9:45 a.m. June 13, 2012------------------------Anyone "more conservative" than
Hatch would fall off the far right wing of the political spectrum.
@lost in DCDOMA doesn't allow individual states to decide, it imposes
federal rules restricting all states from having gay marriages recognized.
@howard12 -Interfacing with the other two branches of government is part of
Senator Hatch's job. Amicus briefs are a long held tradition employed for
well over a 100 years. The Supreme Court is ruling on a law duly passed by
Congress and they may validate it or invalidate it. I think the brief was
appropriate and part of what I elected Senator Hatch to do. I have read the
brief and would imagine that the Court, in their deliberation over DOMA, would
be grateful to hear what the "lawmakers" had in mind when they made the
law. IS that so hard to understand?
ulvegaard: "Well, I wasn't the one who discriminated 'back
then'. The courts are jammed with law suits over things that happened
generations ago and innocent people are having their property confiscated to
make it all good.Equality is great, but evidence suggests that
before this is all over, my family may eventually become suspect because we are
not gay."-------------Let's look at a few
places where gay marriage is the law. MA - Can you say that gays
who have married there are getting a better shake than those who have a
traditional marriage? I cannot see any difference in their rights or privileges
except on the Federal level. Can you prove differently? "Well,
I want't the one who discriminated 'back then.'" But you
want to be the one that does so now? That doesn't make sense. Just read
the constitution. You will see that Doma is unconstitutional. It is pretty
Hatch is part of the old-line Republican establishment who often want to be
thought of as supporters of the Tea Party Conservatives however they are much
more likely to "Go along to get along." Remember how often
Hatch, "Reached across the aisle" to support Ted Kennedy and the Left?
Hatch needs to retire in favor of someone more Conservative.
Many look at this issue as one of "fairness". Heterosexual couples
marry, it is discrimination that same sex couples can't -- and its a great
argument and has merit.However, that's not where it ends and in
several situations, it has proven to be anything but an attempt at extracting
equality from society. Our nation has a long history of over compensating for
past discrimination. Affirmative action had great intentions, but it has come to
the point where being a white, protestant male, my chances of getting hired are
greatly reduced because of hiring quotas that must be filled. Some say this is
just making up for past 'sins'. Well, I wasn't the one who
discriminated 'back then'. The courts are jammed with law suits over
things that happened generations ago and innocent people are having their
property confiscated to make it all good.Equality is great, but
evidence suggests that before this is all over, my family may eventually become
suspect because we are not gay.
Re: Deep in thought. Please spare us the "its for the children"
argument. It is an argument that is way past weak. The comments your wrote make
you appear as the antithesis of your handle.
With two weeks before Utah votes, I question whether this action concerning
marriage, is Orrin Hatch's attempt at an "October surprise" in
June??? Many Utahns support traditional marriage. I hope this is NOT an
attempt by Hatch to win votes. If so, I think it is reprehensible!
I believe that of all the things he could, Hatch should not be focusing on court
action. Leaving the question of same-sex marriage alone, Hatch's job is not
to file amicus briefs to federal courts, but he is supposed to write legislation
and pass bills. There are tons of organizations and groups that can write briefs
and defend DOMA. Utah only has 2 senators. Let the advocacy groups do their
job, and you do yours. That is why your running for a 7th term right?
@ deep in thought"As children go through the awkward teenage
years they experiment perhaps both with straight and gay relationships. With
less and less stigma, far more people become part of a gay couple"I don't recall, ever having to make a decision to like boys or girls. I
am naturally, and strongly wired to be attraced to those of my opposite sex. I
am going to go out on a limb and say the vast majority of people are in a
similar situation.I don't think there has been an increase in
homosexuality in recent years, only that people are more willing to admit it
publicly. Before, people would just keep quiet and try to conform to a hetero
relationship, trying to be someone they are not.
@ non-believerLet's explore my view of likely impacts of
Government fully accepting same sex marriage...step 1: Government
embraces same sex marriage, it becomes completely legal and protected by the
constitution.step 2: Gay/lesbian lifestyle has to be protected and
taught same as a "straight" lifestyle in school Children of all ages
are introduced to both gay and straight options during the maturation programs.
Proms become open to both gay and straight couples. Teenagers as a whole become
far more aware of gay lifestyle and embrace it. step 3: As
children go through the awkward teenage years they experiment perhaps both with
straight and gay relationships. With less and less stigma, far more people
become part of a gay couple. Close BFF girls and BFF boys wonder if their
relationship is "something more" when other generations would have never
thought. Lines of gender identity are blurred. Other alternative lifestyles
like polygamy and polyandry also must be accepted as between "consenting
adults". The final question ... is this choice really the right
one for children? Down the line 15 years or so will be have a stronger nation?
Let's not be short sighted. We are changing everything.
I would love to hear how the sanctity of marriage would be ruined if we allow
gay and lesbian couples to marry? The Sanctity of marriage is biblical.... OK,
how does this pertain to nonreligious people? So nonreligious people have to
abide by the rules of the religious? This entire argument makes no sense! Who
your neighbor, co-worker, family memeber marries is none of your business and
for the conservative right to make it their business is truly repulsive! Until
your God makes his judgement upon YOU! Leave the rest of the US to make up
it's own mind on who they love and want to marry!
I find it interesting that BO says while he personally supports gay marriage, he
favors allowing individual states to decide. But he refuses to defend DOMA,
which is intended to do just that - allow individual states to decide.
I'm going to vote for Scott Howell, he will stand up in Washington to
represent my principles. I believe in equality for everyone.
Hatch would have done DOMA and our country much more good if he had NOT voted in
FAVOR of confirmation of Eric Holder as Attorney General.Hatch finds
it easier to "goa long to get along" in Washington than to stand up and
really fight for the conservative principles he claims to have.Hatch
needs to be replaced.Dan Liljenquist is getting my vote!
Not being a Constitutional lawyer, or anything even close to one, I find it
interesting -- and very disturbing -- that the Constitution can be interpreted
in so many different ways. And not just with this issue of same-sex marriage,
but look at the different rulings handed down with the Affordable Care Act
(Obamacare). So, once again we will need to turn to the Supreme Court to render
a decision. I would suggest we need a major study of why the significant
differences in interpretation and find a solution.