Published: Tuesday, June 12 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT
Thank you for this thoughtful essay. After all is said and one, regardless of
our religious persuasion and no matter where we stand on the issues of the day,
respect for each other is the most important consideration that is needed. If
you believe we are all God's children that concept should already be
engraved on your thoughts. If you don't believe in a higher power then, it
seems, fostering a respectful and loving society in this life would be equally
as important.Thanks again for elevating this important issue.
Wow. Bravo to the Deseret News.Though now well into my middle age,
I remember well the absolute terror I went through as a youth, increasingly
realizing I was gay, increasingly isolated and scared. I knew no other gay
people, and had never even talked to anyone else about what I was going through,
so intense was the fear and the certain knowledge of ostracism that I kept
quiet. I doubt that a day went by when I didn't pray for the
"change" that so many non-gay people insist is possible--but which, at
least in my case, proved elusive.I can't know for sure how my
life would have evolved had I read an editorial like this one back then. Such
editorials simply didn't exist anywhere.I have to think it
would have helped. A lot.And maybe, just maybe, it will help some
kid today to understand that we all deserve love and support.Thank
you, Deseret News, from the bottom of my heart.
Anyone who looks objectively at this issue, has to be open to the possibility
that people can be born gay.Unfortunately, the religious can not
accept that because it causes too many conflicts with their religious
beliefs.So, just like the flat-earthers, the 6000 year old earth,
and the evolution deniers, they cling to their Sunday teachings which fly in the
face of common sense and scientific study.I am not gay. But, I
cannot fathom anything happening in my life (or anyones life) which would affect
my gender attraction.Can anyone give me a scenario that may have
caused them to become gay?
Well said. Thank you.
Excellent! Thank you so much! It is so important for us to make changes as a
society in this regard.
Joe Blow said, "Unfortunately, the religious can not accept that ..."I think you are painting a broad brush here that simply isn't true.
Didn't you see the active Mormons marching in the Gay Pride parade in SLC.
Don't you understand that "religious" people all around the world
are standing arm in arm with LGBT folks in support of giving them civil and
human rights? Yes, there are many who think they are religious who
are actively working in the opposite direction. Somehow they have rationalized
that treating others with less respect than they would expect for themselves
falls in line with their theology and religious traditions. But it just a
rationalization. Treating anyone as less than human does not match any
religious tradition that I am aware of.
I too welcome this article. I feel that some members (plus some other
Christians) sometimes use the scriptures to justify their own prejudices.
Unfortunately this is not limited to SLC. The same occurs in the UK. We cannot
justify any hatred, bullying or abuse of anyone, regardless of their sexual
orientation, or anything else that may be seen as an alternative lifestyle, that
appears off centre to LDS teachings. If we really listened to each other,
without judgement, what a blessing it would be to and for us all. Not listening
to see how the other ought to change but listening to really understand.
"It is as though he listened and such listening as his enfolds us in silence
in which at last we begin to hear what we are meant to be." Lao-Tse. It is
interesting, to me, that the Saviour never condemned same-sex relationships in
the Gospels or the Book of Mormon or the Doctrine and Covenants. Or am I
mistaken in that? It seems it was later teachings that did so. Could a change
come in the future similar to how at one time the Priesthood was not available
As someone who was bullied extensively in school, I have trouble sympathizing
with any certain group. It is always the strong taking advantage of the weak no
matter their race, religion, national origin or sexual orientation. The reason
is happened to me in when I was growing up is because teachers and
administration were afraid that they would look bad for punishing the popular
kids, the athletic kids and the kids that were well-connected politically. It
still happens in school today, if what my kids tell me is true. We should
simply stand up to all bullying and not set aside special classes. When it
comes to bullying and abuse, there is only the strong and the weak the bullies
and the victims. If there were no gay kids in high school, there would still be
victims of bullying.
" We should simply stand up to all bullying and not set aside special
classes. When it comes to bullying and abuse, there is only the strong and the
weak the bullies and the victims."Nobody disagrees with what you
are saying--all bullying should be addressed. The point is that LGBT youth are
far more likely to experience bullying--and far more likely to attempt
suicide--than their straight peers. All bullying is wrong, but to put your head
in the sand and not recognize that some groups ARE more vulnerable than others
doesn't help tackle the issue at all.
Goly, gee. I can't think of any reason why gays are mistreated so badly in
Utah. Well, maybe one.
Chad Griffin, head of the Human Rights Campaign, said, "I don't believe
that there is any church, any school, or any set of parents that want to
intentionally inflict harm on our young people…" True, and yet one
must assume that…the incidents of taunting or bullying in Utah are, to at
least some degree, a reflection of attitudes found within some of the homes
where the bullies live.=============== Bigotry,
Intolerance, Bullying, ect.They are learn it in the HOME.And Utah has nearly twice the National average of this kind of intolerant
behavior toward others.WWJB?Who Would Jesus Bully?Seriously, We are trending 180 degrees - polar opposite from what we
Re: "The survey may not be statistically accurate."Duh.
Unlike real science, this "study" amounts to nothing more than a
publicized gripe session. With no attempt, whatever, to separate acceptance of
persons from acceptance of their life choices and lifestyle.Giving
undue credence to this sort of pseudoscientific tripe, and taking us to task for
behaviors that, not only have not been shown to exist, but which are inimical to
our culture, is just another abandonment of reason and proper journalistic
"I don't believe that there is any church, any school, or any set of
parents that want to intentionally inflict harm on our young
people…"I disagree, for instance there's video of
that one pastor in North Carolina who expressed support for putting gay people
in concentration camps. We know where the Westboro Baptist Church stands on gay
people. Anyway, kudos to the Deseret News for this editorial.
@BCA: Claiming this is a Utah-only problem is a weak argument and I am sure you
didn't mean it this way but, insinuating that Mormons treat these people
badly as part of their religion sounds a little ignorant of the Mormon culture.
procuradorfiscal - do you really think that you can separate acceptance of
persons and their life choices? If a person is gay (or different in any other
way) how can you accept them as a person whilst at the same time be overtly
critical of their life choices and lifestyle? You may not agree with a
person's life choices and lifestyle but the moment you start being publicly
critical of what they do you are starting to bully them as an individual. And
that is where the abuse, etc. comes from, people saying gays are wrong, evil,
etc. Listening for understanding and them accepting differences is one thing.
Railing against differences is not right and not what Christ would do. Your
words sound as if you feel under threat? If same-sex attraction is really so
wrong why didn't the Saviour himself say so in the Gospels? See my comment
above."taking us to task for behaviors that, not only have not
been shown to exist, but which are inimical to our culture" - to understand
you, please can you explain how have they been shown not to exist? How are they
inimical (harmful or hostile) to your culture?
@procuradorfiscalcounsellmoell is right, let me give you an example closer
to home (keeping n mind I really do not feel this way) what if i where to say, I
accept and love my LDS brothers but i cannot accept their life style choice to
use the book of mormon as if it where the same as the bible and I cannot accept
their misuse of the bible to justify their behavior choice to be LDS and
don't you dare call be a bigot because I love the LDS people just not their
behaviors and lifestyle choice and I don't think they should be given
special rights for it.
Re: "You may not agree with a person's life choices and lifestyle but
the moment you start being publicly critical of what they do you are starting to
bully them as an individual."First off, no one but the critic
mentioned being "publicly" critical, but let's lay that aside for
the moment. Positing that public non-acceptance of behaviors with which one
disagrees constitutes bullying, is the same as suggesting it's somehow
immoral or uncivilized to oppose ANY behavior, no matter how destructive.Which is, of course, disingenuous. Unless the writer is willing to admit
LGBT activists, who are more than willing to disagree with me, even publicly,
are bullies.Second, no one said that bullying behaviors have been
shown not to exist. But the "study" cited assumes they do, merely
because a tiny sample asserts as much, without even a valid operational
definition as to what constitutes bullying. And the comments demonstrate how
dangerous that is.Finally, while sticking up for decency is part of
our culture, so is living and letting live. Utah has among the Nation's
lowest statistics regarding advocacy violence.
@Proc:"Finally, while sticking up for decency is part of our
culture, so is living and letting live. Utah has among the Nation's lowest
statistics regarding advocacy violence."--Yes, live
and let live, that's why Utahn's supported and voted for Amendment 3
and why Mormons participated so heavily in California's Proposition 8.
Live and let Live. Um, no.This study indicates that Utah's
violence rate is not among the lowest in the nation, at least not in this
Most of our teens accept their peers for who they are, despite sexual
orientation. But we still have some work to do, because a high percentage of
our gay teens still feel some level of persecution. Keep teaching tolerance and
acceptance of multiple sexual orientations in our homes and churches!
George & counsellorneilI think you may be overstating the case.
To disagree with another's lifestyle is not tantamount to bullying. I have
lived most of my life in areas where folks do not necessarily accept or agree
with my choices as a member of the church. But that is not bullying.I do not agree with many choices people make from drinking and drugs to most
divorce. But that is not bullying. It is disagreeing. Nothing more.If being gay is innate, other things are as well (addiction is often
genetically traced and, according to those who suffer from it, can be stronger
than sexual drive). Still, as a society we often disagree on these things.The issue is how we disagree. Not that we do.If bullying is
wrong and if disagreement is bullying, then we as a society must never disagree.
Ever.Democratic debate goes out the window and freedom follows.
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