Midwest Mom - Most of us in the private sector have no retirement, unless we
fund it ourselves. Taxing others to fund your retirement far beyond what we
ourselves have doesn't seem fair on this side of the aisle. As it is, the
changes Walker implemented still have Wisconsin public employees funding far
less of their retirement and benefits than do comparable private sector
employees who do have such benefits. For example - we have decent health
insurance - not great, but decent. We pay 30% of the premiums. We have a 401K
- and my husband's employer will match up to 1.5% of what he
contributes.Quit whining and look outside your own household. The
rest of the country can't afford to subsidize you.
Re: Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WIMay I suggest reading "Noonan:
What's Changed After Wisconsin". You can find it in Real Clear
Politics or the Wall Street Journal. Things are a changin, taxpayers have seen
the light, and there is a rocky road ahead for public employee unions.
Midwest Mom-If your husband is upset with his current salary
predicament come on out here to the public sector and see how you like the
benefits. We need more of you to help pay for the years of retirement that is
given to the government workers after they can retire at 50 years of age.
Much has been made about the "fleeing Democrats." The "Wisconsin
14" left the state in order to prevent a vote from taking place without the
ability of interested parties to testify. Those of us who had Republican state
senators could not get them to meet with us, either. If you have a
representative government, and the representatives refuse to be accountable to
their constituents, the only power left is to buy time. Some use the
filibuster. In our case, temporarily leaving the state to negotiate from across
the boarder was a strategy to force dialogue. After introducing the legislation
on a Tuesday, the Republicans wanted to vote before the weekend, without
allowing any testimony. This was a huge bill. The unions had already requested
a meeting with the governor. He had refused. They had already agreed to cuts
to help balance the budget. The governor refused to listen or allow access to
his staff. Some people spend millions of dollars to get their political voices
heard. The working man only had the integrity of a few, brave senators. I am
grateful for their courage. Freedom isn't just for Tea-party Republicans.
Re: Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI"We had to give back $50,000 of our
retirement, as well."Things are tough for everybody right now,
and with Obama steering the ship of state it is only going to get worse.
Probably why Democratic strategist James Carville had just one word of advice
for President Barack Obama: "Panic."What we need is someone
like Mitt Romney to do on a national level what Gov. Walker did on the state
level.Congratulations to Gov. Walker on his victory over big labor.
Re: Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI"Excuse me, but what do any of you
know about Wisconsin? We have a proud tradition of good schools and
progressive, bi-partisan, clean government."We know that
Democratic legislators fled to Illinois to try and stop Gov. Scott Walker's
budget-repair plan border. I don't see anything relate the Democrats in
Wisconsin with "bi-partisan, clean government".We also know
that public employee labor unions in Wisconsin were defeated.
wer, Have you been a union member? Have you been following Wisconsin's
struggle, or do you merely filter all information through your favorite,
conservative talking heads? Even the "all-powerful" teachers'
unions, in Wisconsin, were under the QEO, or "Qualified Economic Offer,"
for 13 years, before Walker became governor. Through Republican Tommy Thompson,
the QEO granted each district a 3.8% increase in state funds to cover salary and
benefit increases, each biennium. Since younger teachers had lane changes and
step increases on the salary schedule, that meant that older, experienced
teachers, like my husband, have had an almost completely flat compensation
package for over a decade. Virtually all was eaten by medical insurance
increases. Now, thanks to Governor Walker, my husband's pay has been cut
by $5,000 a year and that's off of the net, not the gross. We had to give
back $50,000 of our retirement, as well. When a government imposes a charge of
money on a citizen for public purposes, it is called a tax. I dare say if a
government raised your taxes as much, you would have demonstrated at your
capitol, as well.
Way to go Wisconsin voters!!Unions still need to have a say in
politics, but they can no longer be the engine that drives government spending
or be the final determining factor that keeps inept employees (including
teachers) from being fired.
Excuse me, but what do any of you know about Wisconsin? We have a proud
tradition of good schools and progressive, bi-partisan, clean government.
Wisconsin's fully-funded pension program is the envy of the nation, that
was with union support and cooperation. Wisconsin created public employee
unions and Mitt Romney's father supported the same, in Michigan.Scott Walker said that he was fighting the big, powerful union bosses. This
article says that the election was "more evidence of [union's]
inability to reverse their own structural decline." Which is it? It cannot
be both. Scott Walker outspent his opponent by seven to one, 70% of
which came from outside donors. The voice of the people or government for sale?
Unions were once upon a time a much cherished and needed institution within the
U.S. labor force 75-80 years ago when the country was in the depths of the
depression and not even a generation removed from the gilded age when so much
wealth was concentrated in so few. Organizing collective bargaining in the Iron
and steel, auto assembly and coal mining industries was crucial to creating a
tolerable working environment and eliminating abuses. But despite all the hot
air from the class warfare activists, we're nothing now compared to that
long ago era. Franklin D. Roosevelt despite being the most pro-labor U.S.
president in history was adamantly opposed to the union movement becoming
institutionalized in government employees. Good logic behind this since unions
typically oppose modernization and associated position reductions coming from
technological gain. As a result the collective bargaining rights in government
can and should be restricted by federal, state and municipal/local government.
In too many instances over the years the unions have looted the government
treasuries in all too many cases when they obtain too much power.
@LDS Liberal"America is fast becoming a nation full of haves and
have nots."The alternative is that we can keep voting for
liberals so we ALL become have nots.
Re: LDS Liberal Farmington, UT"America is fast becoming a nation full
of haves and have nots."Especially California where the budget
deficit for 2012 went from $9B in January to $16B a mere 5 months later. The
voters in Wisconsin said they are no longer willing to pay excessive retirement
benefits to public workers while they live on peanut butter and jelly.The Republican victory in Wisconsin isn't a good omen for Democrats who
think the world owes them a living.
We now have a ruling class in the US and its not working people. We have let
corporations take over our country and destroy our rights. When we actually VOTE
to allow them to destroy us we deserve what we get.
Too bad -- It was the labor unions who created the Middle class and
broke down the Iron curtain as well.Conservatives are reverting
America back to the 1800's - and America is fast becoming a nation
full of haves and have nots.
Great news. Unions dues should not be requireda and should come out of the
workers pockets. I don't understand how good teachers sit back and let
unions pay bad teachers the same amount. Get rid of tenure and allow the hard
workers to reap the benefits. Unions breed mediocrity.