Maverick,according to the treasurydirect webpage:from 1/19/01 to
1/19/07, when bush had a repub congress, gross federal debt (GFD) increased $2.9
trillion, or $491 billion per year.From 1/19/07 to 1/18/09, when
bush had a dem congress, GFD increased $1.95 trillion, or $977 billion per year,
over TWICE what he averaged with a repub congressfrom 1/19/09 to
1/19/11, when BO had a dem congress, GFD increased $3.4 trillion, or $1.7
trillion per year.from 1/19/11 to 1/19/12, when the rpubs had only
the house but dems had the senate and WH, GFD increased $1.18 trillionThe numbers do not lie - GFD increases MORE when dems have more control.Irony Guy,revenues INCREASED under Reagan.
@The Real Maverick: "False. The massive debt occurred under a repub
president and congress."False. Obama added more to the national
debt than all the presidents combined.
@Vaughn J: "If Liljenquist is elected he will be th 98th Senator in the
pecking order."He has to start somewhere. Hatch can't live
forever."His vote will count as 1% of votes in the
senate..."Um, how perceptive. Each of the senators counts 1% of
the votes in the Senate... since there are 100 senators."Liljenquist cares about government, not the public."Hatch
cares about sitting in his office drawing an obscene salary.
Hemlock, if you are interested in the truth, Google the Wall Street
Journal's article "Obama Spending Spree Never Happened." Or try
"Policy Differences Under Two Presidents."Go ahead. Try it.
Please Maverick. Moderates and liberals have an argument, but don't base it
on fantasy such as the big debt was under Repubs. Mr. Obama has raised the debt
and and championed bigger unbalanced budgets from day one. Paul Krugman brags
about the deficit and complains that it isn't enough. Keep the discussion
Since Reagan, Republicans have consistently cut revenues and raised the debt.
This is, of course, mad, but how do you stop them? Not in Utah.
Maverick - you must be an Democrat, or at least an Obama supporter. You ignore
the facts than it has been democratically majority congressional acts which
created entitlement programs and then grossly expanded them under the guise of
"war on poverty". I agree with those who abhor compromise (moderate
view) and embrace constitutional solutions (radical to you and most left leaning
liberals). Hatch is, and always has been, a Moderate and therefore should be
"Moderate and liberal policies are what have caused this nation's
massive debt."False. The massive debt occurred under
a repub president and congress. Massive tax cuts and defense
spending in the form of not one but TWO unfunded wars. Subsidies to oil
companies making already record profits. And handouts to prescription drug
companies in the form of Medicare part D. If those aren't repub
policies then I don't know what is. When was the last time we
had a repub President who actually was "conservative?" Even
Reagan massively expanded government, handed out freebees to the private sector,
and increased debt. Basically, Bush did the complete opposite of
what Mr. Keynes taught. He overspent during good times so once the bad times
hit, we were already in great debt. Should have saved, shouldn't have gone
to two wars, shouldn't have cut taxes, shouldn't have passed Medicare
part D, shouldn't have given out subsidies to every oil company and their
Moderate and liberal policies are what have caused this nation's massive
debt. The Constitution embodies the founders' vision of a very limited
federal government, with only a few specific responsibilities. Most things were
intended to be done by the states and communities. But today it is backwards,
and most of the power is instead in Washington.When our leaders
compromise on Constitutional principles and stray from the limited-government
model, that's what leads to massive debt, loss of accountability, and
erosion of freedom. Sen. Hatch has contributed significantly to these
problems. "Moderates" (i.e., additional compromise on Constitutional
principles) are NOT what we need in order to reduce government and return our
nation to fiscal sanity. Moderates are an integral part of the PROBLEM.
This may come as news to some, but Utahns as a whole are significantly more
moderate than the powers that be in the Utah Republican Party. I appreciate that
Orrin Hatch understands that, and I only wish he didn't feel the need to
kowtow to the extreme elements of his party when elections roll around. This
fall, I'll be voting for Scott Howell, a moderate whose views (both during
election season and afterward) align more closely with the average Utahn than
with the far right.
Re: Debbie Larsen: Good letter. The fact that Sen. Hatch has done good things
in the past doesn't mean that we should give him a pass on other things.
He used to support the Constitution. But now sometimes he thinks he knows
better. When he has voted for big-government programs that are outside the
limits of the Constitution, he has contributed to our country's massive
debt. And he doesn't apologize for those votes.I too have
voted for Hatch in the past, but it's become harder over the years. He has
become arrogant, and thinks we can't make it without him. He has taken
too much credit unto himself. He has cast too many wrong votes, and has become
part of the problem in Washington. He is no longer the best choice. Not even
A "moderate" is exactly what we need.
Maybe, if we finally discover the Fountain of Youth, Orrin Hatch could be
declared "Senator maximus por eterno", or Senator for life! That should
send most founding fathers "spinning in their graves"! Why concern
ourselves with this old Constitution, anyway? It's outdated, no longer
relevant, it ain't hip! Let's let politicians serve for as long as
they desire! If it was good for the old Roman empire, . . . should be good for
us, too!"Look at the Emperor's new clothes, aren't
they exquisite?" "New clothes? I don't see any new clothes. The
Emperor is naked." "Naked, oh, you're so wrong. Those new clothes
are splendid!" Fellow Utahns, do you get the drift? Don't let fantasy
obscure the reality that is ahead. Do something NOW to make the future better
for subsequent generations."It's time, for Dan!"
This country faces enormous challenges in the near future. Hatch is in a
position to affect the necessary changes now. if you have a problem about how
he is dOing then make your opinion know. If Liljenquist is elected he will be
th 98th Senator in the pecking order. His vote will count as 1% of votes in the
senate, so unless their is a close vote it will haveinimal effect during the
next six years. Hatch will have significant clout, because of his to e in
service, thus being able to direct legislation, not just being a fly in the
ointment a another conservative Junior Utah Senator has done in the past
year.Liljenquist cares about government, not the public. His
pension reforms were directed to to eliminate potential liabilities to the
state, not for the individual's who serve the public.