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Published: Saturday, June 2 2012 11:00 p.m. MDT

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Murray, UT

Here we go again with the same old legal/illegal immigrant line. Do we put a bank robber and a customer making a withdraw in the same classification?.

In 2010 517,000 Mexicans entered the United States as legal temporary workers, while 888,000 entered on business visas and 30,000 arrived as exchange visitors.

At the same time, legal permanent Mexican immigration to the United States reached 160,000 (green cards). This is just one country. (Mexico was used because the full numbers are easily available). Total green cards were over 1 million. People can come here legally when they make an effort.

Let's stop the word games an ask the pro illegal people how are you going to send the illegal temp workers home, now that there are no jobs? You made the mess, waiting for you to take care of it.

Springville, UT

"The national conversation about immigration favors restricting legal immigration and cracking down on undocumented immigrants." Really? I don't recall any conversation regarding restricting legal immigration. I've certainly not heard nor read anything. If you have evidence, please provide it.

Better yet, why don't the Deseret News' editors show some intestinal fortitude and explain with honesty and candor why they feel it's their duty to be the chief pro-illegal immigration propogandist for the State of Utah. I think I know what the reasons are, but to this date, no one from the Deseret News has shown sufficient courage to explain it.

Rather, we're told it's all about compassion and keeping families together and that anyone opposed to illegal immigration is a racist.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

The "reporter" puts an interesting spin on things. She nonchalantly s writes that less than a third of the foreign-born are here illegally. That simple fact is HUGE in this debate, yet she makes it sound like a mere annoyance.
That IS the problem.
But let's not stop there. Our current system favors family unification, which virtually insures more of the same in terms of skill sets and demographics. Most importantly, it will also insure the same racial/ethnic make up.
In short, we are back to 1965 where a small group is getting most of the visas. It's just a different group this time around.

Watch Dog
Provo, UT

This issue is not really about immigration or illegal aliens. It is about the rule of law.

Do we have the right to say who comes across our border? Do we even have a right to have a border at all? The obvious answer to both of these questions is a clear and absolute yes, we do have these rights.

We also have the right to say that when/if we allow them to come, they must come able to support themselves, to meet our health standards, not bring diseases that have been eradicated here for decades, honestly swear allegiance to their new home, make an honest effort at assimilation, and follow our laws. Period.

If we do not have these rights, we don't have a country at all.

Sandy, UT

The bias of the media is toward all things liberal, and therefore ignoring laws against the invasion of this nation. "Human interest stories" (i.e., bleeding heart sob stories) seem to ALWAYS take priority over calls for enforcement, management, and control of human traffic into this homeland. Meanwhile, the citizen taxpayer and worker is supposed to surrender their jobs, cover uninsured medical services, pay for all public education, provide food subsidies, provide housing help and preference, etc., etc. without complaining. The only way for people to quit complaining is for them all to become misinformed and astoundingly naive.

St. George, Utah

Interesting story! The part on how more immigrants start more businesses than current citizens.
Do an article on all the breaks immigrants get such as no taxes for a number of years, special loans ect. If the playing field was level you would find those statistics change drasticlly.
My daughter in-law spoke of a business back in her home state that has not paid taxes for over 20 years because as their time was running out for the releif the owner was changed to a different relative pushing it out another 7 years.
Illegal is illegal. If they are leagal they are welcome and just because they do not speak english fluently does not matter as long as they are trying and not expect me to learn their language or provide and interpritor, I will try to help them the best I can.

John C. C.
Payson, UT

There is nothing illegal about increasing legal work and residency visas, and there is no labor surplus if their are those willing to hire guest workers. Immigrants create more jobs than they take. They are more productive, use fewer government benefits, and are more law-abiding than U.S. citizens.

Which leaves only one motive for keeping them out.

Farmington, UT

Coming to the U.S. illegally and intentionally is a misdemeanor; a felony for repeat offenders. This is a large percentage of the illegal immigrant population.

Guess what else is a misdemeanor--DUI; DUI can turn into a felony is damage is caused.

Should we also be discussing the financial significance to our economy of those who have a DUI on their records? Given their financial importance, we really should treat our DUI offenders with much more respect. We should give them more rights, and maybe even let them keep their driver's licenses.

terra nova
Park City, UT

It is utterly dispiriting to read the "know-nothing" comments of people who do not understand that we have been encouraging illegal immigration for decades. The borders were porous for a reason. People came, worked (largely in agriculture, harvesting and helping) and went home. Everyone benefited. Some of them, usually the best of them, found longer term work. After a time some of them had babies. They are US Citizens. The family became more and more American. The kids started school. The kids did nothing wrong. But those arguing for simple legal solutions want to rip these families apart by sending parents home. Where are the rights of the children then? What good is it to tear a functioning family apart? Are you saying it is fair to send a child back to a nation he has never known? Where are his or her rights?

The immigration system is broken. It has been broken for a long time. We cannot rely on the rule of law when the mechanism applying it is broken. It is neither just, merciful, kind or thoughtful.

I cannot and will not ally myself with thoughtless, cruel and unjust people. Nor should any other thinking American.


The article is transparent.

It's the thoughtless cruel and unjust people that come here illegally, steal taxpayers money and jobs, not to mention ID's. Along with the dishonest business community and bought and paid for politicians that feel they are above the law.

This "know-nothing" has a family that is almost half Mexican that came here legally. I dislike the personal attacks on others by those who are pro-illegal. I don't think running other people down belongs here.

Washington, UT

kargirl...if we go back far enough in time, there were no laws at all, anarchy ruled; so what's your point. Laws re usually created because there is some kind of problem that needs addressing. The U.S. has always welcomed immigrants, but when 12 million Mexicans flooded across our borders, most sane people would say, "hey, wait a minute, what's going on here? this isn't right? No other country on earth would allow such a threatening invasion. And only the U.S. is stupid enough to offer all these illegal immigrants free everything, food, housing, medical care, education...

Mesa, AZ

As I began to read this article I just shook my head. Who is kidding whom? Diane Portnoy? Elizabeth Stuart? "...she's no different..." Are you kidding me? Unless Diane Portnoy and family were stealing sewer grates, bleachers, and AC units for scrap metal, or stealing wiring from light poles for the copper, she is VERY different from the undocumented, aka illegal, immigrants we are dealing with in Mesa. Unless she and her parents knowingly went to hospitals, received medical care, and never paid the bills, she simply cannot claim that she is no different.

Granted, AC and metal bleachers may not have even existed during her childhood. However, the difference between her status and that of many of today's illegal immigrants does exist. Please do not make a very egregious mistake and attempt to whitewash illegal immigration.

And, I find the comparison offensive on behalf of the friends and neighbors of my childhood who came from the old country.

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