@MountanmanI'll tell my dead and maimed friends that some guy
in Hayden, Idaho feels safer because Saddam Hussein is dead. DOD is
an acronym for Department of Defense, not Department of Offense. If someone
tries to invade the US, then go get 'em, but to depose leaders simply
because you don't like them.
In 1972 when the Nixon administration and Congress funded the "All Volunteer
Military" it sounded like an elixir to get rid of all the problems with the
draft. However, the military relaxed some of it's requirements to not need
the draftees, which brought short-time access to a variety of people from the
United States citizenry. It provided balance to keep the professional military
officers and NCOs in line with what was good for the country. The draftees
didn't set direct policy but the government allowed the need for the
professional military with all volunteers to become almost card carrying union
members. Rules and regulations were changed and we ended up with some people,
not all as there still are dedicated Constitution and principled people in the
military. Money became the motivation for a lot as pay went up significantly to
attract life-long military members. Dedication was still there, maybe for some,
but money was an enticement. Who would stay in the military in the old pre-1972
days with very low salary and some perks like retirement? Dedicated. Now, we
increase salaries and provide more money to go to war. Where is Integrity in
Another unmentioned factor which contributes significantly to the number of
disability claims is the means at which claims are being processed. The ease of
being able to file a claim is growing exponentially coupled with an increase in
employees who process those claims (there are a lot more medical processing
employees now than 10 years ago). This causes percentages to increase. We hire
more people to process more claims and more often than not, they either rubber
stamp claims or they're too afraid of charging somebody with
'malingering' (which never happens) So you have more claims than
normal. Trust me, I've seen it first hand in the military. It's common
knowledge to retirees and those with pending medical claims of disabilities that
you must reach 50% disability rating in order to receive the monthly pay for the
rest of their lives. It's called Concurrent Receipt - look it up.
Basically, the longer a government program exists, the more aware people become
of it. The more awareness, the more apt people are to exploit it or abuse it. It
really is a perpetuating cycle whether it's in the Army or at Apple.
@MountanmanI'm sorry but our troops are not your GI Joe action
figures and should only be deployed when it actually is necessary.
War is an ugly thing. But it's not the ugliest thing. The mind and
conscience of a person who has nothing in the world that he or she would put on
the line in defense of, is a far uglier and sadder thing. And let me add that
our men and women in harms way are there because WE sent them to be there. WE
elected the officials who put them and keep them in places they don't
belong. WE tolerate the military industrial complex. When they fight in less
than honorable circumstances, it is because WE didn't not speak loudly
enough or too blindly followed the rationale of people like Bush and Cheney, too
easily trusted words coming from the mouth of Colin Powell. In a democracy, an
army fights under the orders of the people of their country. Therefore--when
they come home and meet with the indifference of a nation that is more
interested in a different kind of American idol, it is a reflection more on us
than them. As President Obama said today--"We need to be a
nation more worthy of their sacrifice."
Facts are facts. Wars are supposed to be declared by Congress in this country.
They haven't been, the last one was WWII, my father's war. And yes, it
was the last race we actually had a horse in. The other, we were invited to a
couple as observers, and ended up kibbitzing. Voila, a war. And gee, who paid?
Too many with their lives, their health, their futures, that's who. The
last couple of wars were barely noticed by too many, and why? The draft was
gone, no one was worried about going into the service--and maybe going to
war--against their will. We were even told we could help the war effort by going
shopping. Say WHAT??? That's what I heard said. So Cngress declared
nothing. These brave young people tried valiantly to fight for someone. Not us,
really, but these strangers who just wanted peace and to raise their families,
too. They did all they were asked to do and more. So let's give them all we
can and more and thank them for being where no one else was willing to be.
If they are telling the truth, take care of them. If they are lying and bilking
the system, take away all of their benefits.
To clarify-The first "He" I referred to is my father. I have
a very real account of why this song is total garbage.I understand
when people say that certain wars aren't justified, or aren't in
defense. I understand that all those problems wouldn't happen if it
weren't for violence. But where the song says "what is it good for"
and "They say we must fight to keep our freedom" it clearly is
criticizing defensive actions as well- and that is where I have a serious
problem with it.And I appreciate the point that war is not something
to be praised. A lot of war isn't justified. Likewise, sometimes justified
wars are labeled 'unjustified'.But the point is that
defending yourselves and family isn't wrong and when liberals go from
criticizing violence to simply criticizing defense altogether- that is what I am
saying is arrogant and treating veterans with disrespect. I even appreciate
nonresistance like the Anti-Lehi-Nephites. At times that can be nothing less
than morally praiseworthy. But even they still justified defense by teaching it
to their children and they showed incredible respect for those who defended
What’s war good for? Freedom and because there is evil in the world:
Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and other evil people who want to either
kill you or make a slave out of you and your children! That’s why!
When economic hardship makes conscripts out of volunteers, of course you're
going to see this happen. Many of the vets, I suspect, are playing it safe by
claiming the cause, whatever the severity, is documented and related to their
tours beyond a doubt. That way, they're covered. I have no problem with
it. Maybe ACA can be implemented through the side door when most of the lower
income folks enlist. In military jargon, its called a flank maneuver. The
republicans, though, might have something to say about that. Seems like VA
medical benefits are already being curtailed. Republics and empires have more
in common than most people realize. Rome, Greece, CSA all weakened and
destroyed because of purist (extremist?) ideologies?
'War, what is it good for?'The antecedent is 'because
it causes sorrow, death, doesn't create life, turns men into bitter
disabled veterans, and causes young men's dreams to not be realized'
that defending freedom isn't good for anything.War itself is
not a cause, but an effect. Offensive acts of violence are a force while defense
is a reaction. If young men didn't defend themselves OR their families,
then more innocent people would die, NO dreams would be realized whatsoever, and
the can continue to live, have families, grow, and life will foster. War
doesn't creative life, but it absolutely can protect it.The
song's "Absolutely nothing" in real life resulted in my life and
freedom. He didn't become bitter after his disabilities. He was kind and
respectful despite suffering over a prolonged period of time. For those who are
or were- he proved that bitterness is choice, not a result. And no,
I didn't miss the point of the song. It's as plain as day.Liberal propaganda I can tolerate, but saying 'protecting your
family' is 'for nothing' is arrogantly treating what is sacred
and honorable with insolence.
The cost of freedom? Let's not fool ourselves. Much of this is the cost of
needless war and also dilly dallying around. Not fighting to win and then
staying longer than necessary.
Hellooo: I disagree. The system is not enough. There shouldn't have to
be a safety net. Prevention is the cure. Everything else is just persnickering.
Another sign of the weakening american, any little pain file a claim, make a
buck off Uncle Sam. Nevertheless, it is what we owe and will continue to owe for
the misguided wars that have accomplished nothing, but to loot the treasury in
the name of protecting freedom.
And a another sad tale is that vets come back and get chewed up by the system
again. The powers in this country and I am not talking about Congress or the
President take their profits and export jobs out of the country and seem to
forget that the human costs are even greater than the financial. Vets that end
up homeless, addicted, forgotten and vilified in society because we fail to
truly address our societal problems in real meaningful and sustainable ways.
STOP THE BANDAID TEMPORARY FIXES AND USE REAL SOLUTIONS.
What devastating human results can you expect, when our soldiers are sent back
again and again until they are broken in body and spirit? Even in Vietnam, there
was a limit to how many months soldiers could be deployed. Now, they are just
deployed and deployed until they are no longer functional. Shame on our
I am tired of these wars, bring everyone home. The military needs to he scaled
down. They should not allow women or married men in the military; kids need
their parents and there is an unbelievable number of violent crimes committed
against our women soldiers (over 35% of female soldiers are raped during
service) this all needs to stop. I am all for fighting for our freedom but we
have not fought for our own freedom since world war II.BUT we should
absolutely care for and honor and support our troops who have fought these wars
for us. Thank you to all who served.
I opened the morning newspaper just now and was incensed by the headline,
"The Price of Freedom." What in the world do our military adventures
around the world in the last many years have to do with keeping America free? I
heard the same thing in church yesterday and it just sickens me. It has more to
do with building a military empire than it does with peace and freedom. And yes,
I'm a veteran, too.
"Walking wounded" is not a figure of speech. We spend billions over
there while lining the pockets of Profiteers. Gen./Pres. D. W. Eisenhower was
prophetic. "When will they ever learn... (CONGRESS!) When will they ever
learn." There is a concept known as Aftermath. Do the math. At what cost,
Thank you to all our veterans for serving your Country well. Freedom
is not free and it never will be.
As a retired military veteran, I have repented years ago of recommending the
military as a means of young people getting started in life. It has become very
obvious that our military is simply "cannon fodder" who are used in
never ending "no win wars" that have never been constitutionally
declared as demanded by our constitution (what is that?)Since World
War 2, Congress has never declared war and we have never won one since. We have
allowed the United Nations to determine how and where we will sacrifice our
young men and women."What on earth is wrong with the United
States simply minding its own business?" Its all about money
and power - it is NOT about the security and national defense of the United
States. As Ron Paul said in one of the debates: I have tried the
moral argument, the economic argument and now the common sense argument against
all of these wars.Wake up America! Bring our troops home. If they
must die and get maimed for life, then let it be defending our own borders.We could save many lives by simply Getting US out of the United Nations.
A new Independence Day!
These war veterans have been destroyed by the DOD so that they can never become
US workers now or in the remaining years of their lives. Its an injustice and
one that should never have happened. The DOD has taken the opportunity of a
lifetime to classify PTSD as a preexisting pre military mental sickness so they
can deny veterans benefits for many entitlements they deserve. Denying veterans
entitlements also required that PTSD be documented as a mental disorder that
cannot be hidden or denied from future employers of returning vets, thus the
high 20% unemployment among them.Since unemployment is an
entitlement of military service, if the vets are counted in the unemployment
numbers is makes a 10%+. To get unemployment numbers nearer to 8% it requires
some creative manipulation by making unemployed people disappear. Putting them
on disability pay for military service removes them from unemployment data and
make vets looking for jobs disappear. The Administration lowered the standards
for injury entitlements to get them off jobs lists but 88 million people plus
16.3% countable unemployed who would take a job and give up being retired.
War, huh, yeahWhat is it good forAbsolutely nothingSay it
again, y'allWar, huh, good GodWhat is it good forAbsolutely nothingListen to meOhhh, war, I despiseBecause it means destructionOf innocent livesWar means tearsTo thousands of mothers eyesWhen their sons go to fightAnd lose
their livesIt's an enemy to all mankindThe point of war
blows my mindWar has caused unrestWithin the younger generationInduction then destructionWho wants to dieWar, it ain't
nothing but a heartbreakerWar, it's got one friendThat's
the undertakerOoooh, war, has shatteredMany a young mans dreamsMade him disabled, bitter and meanLife is much to short and preciousTo spend fighting wars these daysWar can't give lifeIt can
only take it awayPeace, love and understandingTell me, is
there no place for them todayThey say we must fight to keep our freedomBut Lord knows there's got to be a better wayWar, huhGood God y'allWhat is it good forStand up and shout itNothing