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Published: Sunday, May 27 2012 10:44 p.m. MDT

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Civil
Salt Lake City, UT

War, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again, y'all
War, huh, good God
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing

Listen to me
Ohhh, war, I despise
Because it means destruction
Of innocent lives
War means tears
To thousands of mothers eyes
When their sons go to fight
And lose their lives

It's an enemy to all mankind
The point of war blows my mind
War has caused unrest
Within the younger generation
Induction then destruction
Who wants to die

War, it ain't nothing but a heartbreaker
War, it's got one friend
That's the undertaker
Ooooh, war, has shattered
Many a young mans dreams
Made him disabled, bitter and mean
Life is much to short and precious
To spend fighting wars these days
War can't give life
It can only take it away

Peace, love and understanding
Tell me, is there no place for them today
They say we must fight to keep our freedom
But Lord knows there's got to be a better way

War, huh
Good God y'all
What is it good for
Stand up and shout it
Nothing

My2Cents
Taylorsville, UT

These war veterans have been destroyed by the DOD so that they can never become US workers now or in the remaining years of their lives. Its an injustice and one that should never have happened. The DOD has taken the opportunity of a lifetime to classify PTSD as a preexisting pre military mental sickness so they can deny veterans benefits for many entitlements they deserve. Denying veterans entitlements also required that PTSD be documented as a mental disorder that cannot be hidden or denied from future employers of returning vets, thus the high 20% unemployment among them.

Since unemployment is an entitlement of military service, if the vets are counted in the unemployment numbers is makes a 10%+. To get unemployment numbers nearer to 8% it requires some creative manipulation by making unemployed people disappear. Putting them on disability pay for military service removes them from unemployment data and make vets looking for jobs disappear. The Administration lowered the standards for injury entitlements to get them off jobs lists but 88 million people plus 16.3% countable unemployed who would take a job and give up being retired.

IdahoStranger
NEWDALE, ID

As a retired military veteran, I have repented years ago of recommending the military as a means of young people getting started in life. It has become very obvious that our military is simply "cannon fodder" who are used in never ending "no win wars" that have never been constitutionally declared as demanded by our constitution (what is that?)

Since World War 2, Congress has never declared war and we have never won one since. We have allowed the United Nations to determine how and where we will sacrifice our young men and women.

"What on earth is wrong with the United States simply minding its own business?"

Its all about money and power - it is NOT about the security and national defense of the United States.

As Ron Paul said in one of the debates: I have tried the moral argument, the economic argument and now the common sense argument against all of these wars.

Wake up America! Bring our troops home. If they must die and get maimed for life, then let it be defending our own borders.

We could save many lives by simply Getting US out of the United Nations. A new Independence Day!

I'll call it
Ogden, UT

Thank you to all our veterans for serving your Country well.

Freedom is not free and it never will be.

Jeromeo
Salt Lake City, UT

"Walking wounded" is not a figure of speech. We spend billions over there while lining the pockets of Profiteers. Gen./Pres. D. W. Eisenhower was prophetic. "When will they ever learn... (CONGRESS!) When will they ever learn." There is a concept known as Aftermath. Do the math. At what cost, war?

SEY
Sandy, UT

I opened the morning newspaper just now and was incensed by the headline, "The Price of Freedom." What in the world do our military adventures around the world in the last many years have to do with keeping America free? I heard the same thing in church yesterday and it just sickens me. It has more to do with building a military empire than it does with peace and freedom. And yes, I'm a veteran, too.

Go Utes!
Springville, UT

I am tired of these wars, bring everyone home. The military needs to he scaled down. They should not allow women or married men in the military; kids need their parents and there is an unbelievable number of violent crimes committed against our women soldiers (over 35% of female soldiers are raped during service) this all needs to stop. I am all for fighting for our freedom but we have not fought for our own freedom since world war II.
BUT we should absolutely care for and honor and support our troops who have fought these wars for us. Thank you to all who served.

Aunt Sue
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

What devastating human results can you expect, when our soldiers are sent back again and again until they are broken in body and spirit? Even in Vietnam, there was a limit to how many months soldiers could be deployed. Now, they are just deployed and deployed until they are no longer functional. Shame on our congress!

rick122948
boise, id

And a another sad tale is that vets come back and get chewed up by the system again. The powers in this country and I am not talking about Congress or the President take their profits and export jobs out of the country and seem to forget that the human costs are even greater than the financial. Vets that end up homeless, addicted, forgotten and vilified in society because we fail to truly address our societal problems in real meaningful and sustainable ways. STOP THE BANDAID TEMPORARY FIXES AND USE REAL SOLUTIONS.

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

Another sign of the weakening american, any little pain file a claim, make a buck off Uncle Sam. Nevertheless, it is what we owe and will continue to owe for the misguided wars that have accomplished nothing, but to loot the treasury in the name of protecting freedom.

Jeromeo
Salt Lake City, UT

Hellooo: I disagree. The system is not enough. There shouldn't have to be a safety net. Prevention is the cure. Everything else is just persnickering.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

The cost of freedom? Let's not fool ourselves. Much of this is the cost of needless war and also dilly dallying around. Not fighting to win and then staying longer than necessary.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

'War, what is it good for?'

The antecedent is 'because it causes sorrow, death, doesn't create life, turns men into bitter disabled veterans, and causes young men's dreams to not be realized' that defending freedom isn't good for anything.

War itself is not a cause, but an effect. Offensive acts of violence are a force while defense is a reaction. If young men didn't defend themselves OR their families, then more innocent people would die, NO dreams would be realized whatsoever, and the can continue to live, have families, grow, and life will foster. War doesn't creative life, but it absolutely can protect it.

The song's "Absolutely nothing" in real life resulted in my life and freedom. He didn't become bitter after his disabilities. He was kind and respectful despite suffering over a prolonged period of time. For those who are or were- he proved that bitterness is choice, not a result.

And no, I didn't miss the point of the song. It's as plain as day.

Liberal propaganda I can tolerate, but saying 'protecting your family' is 'for nothing' is arrogantly treating what is sacred and honorable with insolence.

Ex-Pat of Zion
Lititz, PA

When economic hardship makes conscripts out of volunteers, of course you're going to see this happen. Many of the vets, I suspect, are playing it safe by claiming the cause, whatever the severity, is documented and related to their tours beyond a doubt. That way, they're covered. I have no problem with it. Maybe ACA can be implemented through the side door when most of the lower income folks enlist. In military jargon, its called a flank maneuver. The republicans, though, might have something to say about that. Seems like VA medical benefits are already being curtailed. Republics and empires have more in common than most people realize. Rome, Greece, CSA all weakened and destroyed because of purist (extremist?) ideologies?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

What’s war good for? Freedom and because there is evil in the world: Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and other evil people who want to either kill you or make a slave out of you and your children! That’s why!

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

To clarify-

The first "He" I referred to is my father. I have a very real account of why this song is total garbage.

I understand when people say that certain wars aren't justified, or aren't in defense. I understand that all those problems wouldn't happen if it weren't for violence. But where the song says "what is it good for" and "They say we must fight to keep our freedom" it clearly is criticizing defensive actions as well- and that is where I have a serious problem with it.

And I appreciate the point that war is not something to be praised. A lot of war isn't justified. Likewise, sometimes justified wars are labeled 'unjustified'.

But the point is that defending yourselves and family isn't wrong and when liberals go from criticizing violence to simply criticizing defense altogether- that is what I am saying is arrogant and treating veterans with disrespect. I even appreciate nonresistance like the Anti-Lehi-Nephites. At times that can be nothing less than morally praiseworthy. But even they still justified defense by teaching it to their children and they showed incredible respect for those who defended them.

IDC
Boise, ID

If they are telling the truth, take care of them. If they are lying and bilking the system, take away all of their benefits.

kargirl
Sacramento, CA

Facts are facts. Wars are supposed to be declared by Congress in this country. They haven't been, the last one was WWII, my father's war. And yes, it was the last race we actually had a horse in. The other, we were invited to a couple as observers, and ended up kibbitzing. Voila, a war. And gee, who paid? Too many with their lives, their health, their futures, that's who. The last couple of wars were barely noticed by too many, and why? The draft was gone, no one was worried about going into the service--and maybe going to war--against their will. We were even told we could help the war effort by going shopping. Say WHAT??? That's what I heard said. So Cngress declared nothing. These brave young people tried valiantly to fight for someone. Not us, really, but these strangers who just wanted peace and to raise their families, too. They did all they were asked to do and more. So let's give them all we can and more and thank them for being where no one else was willing to be.

xert
Santa Monica, CA

War is an ugly thing. But it's not the ugliest thing. The mind and conscience of a person who has nothing in the world that he or she would put on the line in defense of, is a far uglier and sadder thing. And let me add that our men and women in harms way are there because WE sent them to be there. WE elected the officials who put them and keep them in places they don't belong. WE tolerate the military industrial complex. When they fight in less than honorable circumstances, it is because WE didn't not speak loudly enough or too blindly followed the rationale of people like Bush and Cheney, too easily trusted words coming from the mouth of Colin Powell. In a democracy, an army fights under the orders of the people of their country. Therefore--when they come home and meet with the indifference of a nation that is more interested in a different kind of American idol, it is a reflection more on us than them.

As President Obama said today--"We need to be a nation more worthy of their sacrifice."

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Mountanman

I'm sorry but our troops are not your GI Joe action figures and should only be deployed when it actually is necessary.

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