@MLHAs for the respect issue, I was pointing out that it's hard
to respect U when you lose to teams like Colorado (107- the outlier), Washington
(44), ASU (41), and Cal (38) by an average of 17 points a game (average Sagarin
ranking of 56, 41 without Colorado). BYU lost to Texas (17), TCU
(20), and Utah (38 - the outlier) by an average of 18 pts a game (average
Sagarin ranking of 25, 18.5 w/o Utah). BYU lost to two solid teams and 1 ok
team. Utah lost to 3 ok teams and 1 REALLY bad team.But the
clincher for me is that your own conference doesn't respect U. They put
your first ever PAC 12 conference game vs USC on the MWC Lite channel (Versus)
while Colorado got to play the Trojans on ESPN2. Your only game on ESPN2 came
courtesy of BYU and U had as many games on ESPNU as BYU's RUGBY team.Like U said "BYU has respect from most people in college
football".Utah does not, which was made all the more apparent by
the Utes amazing TV deal with KJZZ last year.Kind of sad, actually.
@MLH "That gives me a very good idea of the knowledge that you have when it
comes to college football."Lol, I love this statement. You said
that every PAC 12 team that Utah played was better than BYU. Here are the final
Sagarin rankings for every PAC 12 team that Utah played (including Utah) and
BYU:USC - 12BYU - 34Cal - 38Utah - 39ASU -
41Washington - 44Arizona - 64UCLA - 66Wazzou - 83Oregon St. - 87Colorado - 107Only USC finished higher in the
Sagarin rankings than BYU and, if the Trojans would have qualified, they are the
only PAC 12 team that Utah played that would have finished higher than BYU in
the AP and Coaches Poll.So the nation acknowledges that, outside of
USC, BYU was better than every team that Utah played in the PAC 12.I'm just going to assume that you were speaking from a 'frantic and
emotional' point of view when you made that statement, since you have no
data to back up your claims.But thanks for playing :)Go
truecoug1You never said a truer word. Utah does not, unfortunately.
It's hard for people to respect U when U lose to teams like Colorado, get
blown out by a 6-7 ASU team on your home field, and get trounced by two 7-6
teams in Washington and California. That gives me a very good idea
of the knowledge that you have when it comes to college football.Y
dadYou take that #25 I can't say enough how impressive that
is.worfReally-54-10 and you just can't be quiet, we
will just keep beating you every year and then you guys can be #25. You really
have NO idea what it is all about. Have a great 6-6 season.Duckhunter"every one of them better than the Y"-------YEP and I
don't even have to "snicker"sammygEach time
you post all I can say is WOWOh, and good luck to the big D-lineman
Over the years, BYU built the ute program with TV venue, a supply of coaches,
and other contributions. Amazing how gratitude transform to envy.
and the pain of the 54-10 continues.
2BCSWins4-5 in your conference and you get a participation trophy,
yeah baby!"...based on the results the Y lost by more then 6
TD's on their home field and you left in the 3rd quarter....snicker"Like it never happened... National Coaches Poll award BYU #25 ranking
(nullifying or rather substantiating that the score was a fluke)... Utes
nowhereOops national relevancy again... Utes not so much (we get no
respect)...snicker. LOLDeal with it.
Thanks Utes! We love you guys!
@donaldhunter "Really? Why don't you ask oregon st. about that?
Of course utah managed to win all of 4 games against those teams and that was
without even playing the two best teams in the conference oregon and stanford.
Based on the results utah was the 8th team in that conference and there are some
really bad teams in that conference."Yet 54 -
10....snicker.....yet 7 of 10...snicker....yet 2 BCS wins and 2 undefeated
seasons...snickerLOL at duckhunter logic...based on the results the
Y lost by more then 6 TD's on their home field and you left in the 3rd
Another example of why BYU is the top football team in the state. Players go to
BYU for its environment, while some go to schools to party.
@mlh"every one of them better than the Y"Really?
Why don't you ask oregon st. about that? Of course utah managed to win all
of 4 games against those teams and that was without even playing the two best
teams in the conference oregon and stanford. Based on the results utah was the
8th team in that conference and there are some really bad teams in that
conference.LOL! at utah "fan" 'logic'.
@MLH "Utah played 9 PAC-12 teams last year and everyone of them where better
than the Y." LOL, hilarious statement since, according to
Sagarin, the only team you played in the PAC 12 that was better than BYU was
USC. I think I'll take his word for it over yours. "BYU
has respect from most people in college football"You never said
a truer word. Utah does not, unfortunately. It's hard for people to
respect U when U lose to teams like Colorado, get blown out by a 6-7 ASU team on
your home field, and get trounced by two 7-6 teams in Washington and California.
Which leaves U fans with the only thing that matters to U: the
54-10 fluke trouncing of the 'irrelevant', 'mid-majorey; school
down south.Good ol' Utah...U say U've left us behind and
that we're no longer relevant, yet here U are, stomping your feet and
trying to get attention so that people will actually think you're
relevant.Once a little bro, always a little bro.Go
MLH"Every one of them better than the Y"? Oregon State
comes to mind...Just because half of them were better than U, like
Colorado, doesn't make them better than the Y. We've got
#25. You've got 54-10. Since we can't take back 54-10, at least not
until next September, I'll take #25.
sammygWay to go #25, that's what you guys get to shoot for
every year. I could care less if it makes you feel good being #25 keep on
telling everyone that. Utah played 9 PAC-12 teams last year and everyone of
them where better than the Y. It's a different world watching teams that
have NFL caliber players week in and week out. BYU has respect from most people
in college football and thats why with a record of 10-3 or whatever you will
always be #25. NUMBER 25 keep it up, Utah has passed you by...
This is a nice signing for BYU. Glad to see them open up more to the JC ranks.
It is an important part of recruiting around mission plans. Just can't go
overboard. Sounds like this kid has his head on straight and will be an asset to
the BYU program.
Naval VetIt seems the rants are getting pretty 'frantic and
emotional' lately. Especially the last one. Having a bad day?"Well if I am the one who decides who IS relevant from who is
NOT..."It would seem that you think rather highly of your
opinions and I note that you like to capitalize the word NOT alot. Let me try a
variation.The decision as to who is relevant and who is not has
NEVER been yours. LOLThat 2011 season Coaches Poll must be a real
'burr in your saddle', huh?Yep, your little team on
'the hill' will be struggling to get over the hump in conference
play... every year. We know BYU has its scheduling challenges these
beginning years but in year two of independence they will play more BCS teams
than they have ever played in a season and it will continue to improve. As a fan
I'm pretty excited about it.Did going 4-5, 6th aka 8th place,
and losing to Colorado get you excited?
Striker:"You truly are showing how relevant BYU is by your
coming back day after day, and hour after hour."Well if I am the
one who decides who IS relevant from who is NOT, as you've implied, then
the jury is out. You're NOT!If the determinant of who is
relevant from who is not is decided by who is on your schedule, and your
schedule is WAC-ish and mid-majorey [and it IS], then again, you are NOT!If where a team typically spends their postseason determines who is
relevant from who is not, and your team traditionally does so in bush-league,
3rd-tier, very mid-majorey bowls [like the ones the cougars find themselves in],
then again, you are NOT!Good luck playing your final season down
there in the WAC before it folds for good.
When a person goes to an opponents blog to post multiple times, time and time
again, article after article, you know that team is relevant. When that same
person rarely posts on their own teams blog, you know that team they supposedly
cheer for is irrelevant. Thanks all once again for all the attention to BYU
sports. You truly are showing how relevant BYU is by your coming back day after
day, and hour after hour. It's fun to follow BYU sports, or
why else would you be here?I'm excited this guy is getting so
much attention. He'll add some massive beef to that line and I can't
wait to see him out there1
Bluesmack:"I have always made it a rule, that if a person gets
on here and states 'for the record' his or hers athletic or Academic
prowess, I would need proof...."Oh really? And what kind of
"proof" were you looking for? A copy of some old yearbooks? You said,
"It's so obvious you have never played organized team sports,
right?" That "?" mark at the end your sentence implied that it was
a question. And per your question, I gave you my answer. Saying "Nuh uh,
show me proof" doesn't suggest you don't believe that it's
true. It suggests you don't WANT to believe the truth.
Typical coug still stuck living in the 80s.I have always made it a
rule that if I don't feel I would be able to accept another person's
answer when received at face value, then there wouldn't be any point in in
asking the question. That's why I never ask you if you and
Duckhunter are both the same person.
Naval Vet"I lettered in Football..."Uncle
Rico..."How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football
over them mountains?... Yeah... Coach woulda put me in fourth quarter, we
would've been state champions. No doubt. No doubt in my mind."
"Hedgehog, does it take much to devastate Western Michigan?"-CougarblueClearly, no.
Morpunkt, no just in tiny Glendora.Hedgehog, does it take much to
devastate Western Michigan?
@CougFaninTXPlease pay more attention to who is actually making a
post before attributing it to someone else.
@naval vet"I lettered in Football, Wrestling, Lacrosse, and
Track in high schools in Virginia and Texas, and played 2 club sports at the
Naval Vet's insecurity is fully exposed on this one.
I wish the young man well.Perhaps he'll be the first one out of
Bronco's program to get drafted.Until then he's getting a good
@duckhunterTanner Mangum, Troy Hinds, Butch Pauu, Austin Hoyt, Matt
Hadley, Dylan Collie Josh Weeks, Taysom Hill, Jamaal Willimas, (and the list
goes on) are Idaho type recruits? U should be more objective and less bitter.
@Duckhuntedyou said:"Utah is battling USC UCLA, Stanford
type of recruits"..Really? Good luck with that my friend.If you wanted to be obective, you wouled be able to read that Utah and
BYU go after many of the same kids, especially the LDS kids, in-state and
out.What you need to realize is that Utah will never compete in
recrutiing against the Elite Pac 12 schools, among which Utah is not to be
found.The Facilities, Tradition, Legacy and Brand of a USC,
Stanford, UCLA, ASU, Oregon, and Washington are not even in the same universe as
Utah.Utah will be recruiting against Wazzu, Oregon State and
Colorado.Seriously, when does Utah's inflated ego deflate? You would think the Colorado game would have brought U some humility.BYU, on the other hand, is and always will be, BYU. They offer a unique
opportunity, not only to the great LDS Athlete but they actually have a National
Brand and History. They are a Household Name and Utah simply is not.As time goes by Utah will become well established as just one of 12 and rarely
in the spotlight, as has been their 100+ year history.
Duckhuntedhighland, utahblusesmack,What don't
you understand BYU is now fighting for Idaho type recruits... Utah is battling
USC UCLA, Stanford type of recruits... Enjoy BYUTV!!!Like Taysom
Hill? Your comment makes no sense. It's just simply not true. BYU recruits
nation wide. In fact they cover far more geographical area than Utah...Enjoy
blusesmack,What don't you understand BYU is now fighting for
Idaho type recruits... Utah is battling USC UCLA, Stanford type of recruits...
@Naval VetBYU is WAC-ish and Mid-majory? So that obviously explains
why you're always posting on BYU articles. One wouldn't want to waste
so much of his time on such a lowly program. I can't seem to understand
your rants. Your thoughts proclaim one thing, but your actions proclaim
relevancy, superiority, and significance. It's very confusing!Alex Smith to my knowledge was just a Peyton Manning signing away from total
bust? I guess lucky for him and you the 49ers had no one else to turn to. Eric
Weddle? He is good! I have no argument with you on him. Still, till those 2 take
their teams to a Super Bowl, you should stop comparing players.I
have always made it a rule, that if a person gets on here and states 'for
the record' his or hers athletic or Academic prowess, I would need
proof....Well? If not then I'll take it as just a FRANTIC and EMOTIONAL
boast, by one who is JEALOUS of BYU.
@Hedgehog aka naval vet aka CO Ute aka williaryHe signed with
Washington out of High School!I guess that fact escapes you. Try
reading with comprehension next time.
Navalvet:If he graduated from the Y, he is a BYU alumni. And my
guess is that he is quite magnanimous and cheers for the cougars -- except for
one football game out of the year . . . a good lesson for all of us.
Riverton Cougar:So, what are you saying? That Matt Reynolds CHOSE
not to be drafted in last spring's NFL draft? If he was good enough, he
would have been drafted.
"Conversely, the reason why the cougars didn't get any players drafted
was because they just didn't have any players good enough."Matt Reynolds was good enough. He was ranked in the top 25 college football
players in the nation. Sometimes things don't always work out, and
sometimes athletes choose to not be athletes as a career.
CougFaninTX:"U had one draft pick last year, and we didn't
get any."So what's your point? Whittingham had been the
Head Coach at the U for the past 7 seasons prior to last Spring's draft.
Are you under some erroneous assumption that Whittingham had only one player
drafted in all that time? And while the 2012 draft wasn't our best
showing, know that the only reason only one player was drafted was because Star
opted to return for his Senior year. Conversely, the reason why the cougars
didn't get any players drafted was because they just didn't have any
players good enough.Don't be so frantic and emotional.
metamoracoug:"And yet, Whit is a coug . . ."Correction: From '78-'81, Whittingham played for the cougars. He
even coached under Edwards as a graduate assistant from '85-'86.
However, those 6-yrs in Provo have been far surpassed by his 19 consecutive
years on the Hill. Whit WAS a cougar. He IS NOW a UTE! A point only further
validated by the choice he made 8-yrs ago when asked to return to Provo. Given
the choice, he "Chose the Red". Case closed.
@Naval Vet"Let's be honest with ourselves here. Whittingham has
done a far better job at putting Utes into the NFL than Mendenhall had done
likewise for the cougs."You are absolutely right. U had one
draft pick last year, and we didn't get any. We both need to aspire to
Utah States system since they had multiple picks. But is the
objective to get players in the NFL, or is the objective to win games? I'm
the first to concede, U gave us a beating last year but on the whole last season
was a more successful season for the Cougs than the Utes. We finished in the
Top 25. I don't think too many people would argue that BYU would have beat
U in November or December last year.Okay, Utah back to the real
story - try to stay on topic. Hpefully Brown will pan out. If he can keep his
grades up and qualify academically, he could have a real impact. D Line is an
area of concern for 2013. So is linebacker, since we will lose Kaveinga,
Ogletree, and possibly Van Noy if he goes early.
Bluesmack (cont.):And Weddle did not become the NFL's highest
paid Safety because he artfully bounced a ball off his head and into the waiting
arms of the receiver he was defending, but rather for all those OTHER plays
where he really exasperated opposing teams' offenses.And for
the record, I hadn't seen that alleged play, so I don't even know if
that really happened. As a Philadelphian, I primarily watch NFC East football;
not NFC West. THAT was the impact I was talking about. I hope that answered
your bitter, jealous, frantic and emotional question.Also for the
record, I HAVE played organized sports. I lettered in Football, Wrestling,
Lacrosse, and Track in high schools in Virginia and Texas, and played 2 club
sports at the U.
Bluesmack:"So by your thought process, you proclaim BYU
irrelevant because their best player had never heard of BYU before and their new
mammoth linemen that just committed, a member of the church, hardly knows
anything about BYU. You take that as speaking volumes?"I
wouldn't say the Y is irrelevant "BECAUSE" those players
didn't know about the cougars. The Y is irrelevant because they're so
WAC-ish and mid-majorey, and because no other relevant conference wants them.
However, "BECAUSE" the cougars are so WAC-ish and mid-majorey,
THAT's why Brown and Hoffman had been shrugging their shoulders when asked
what they know about the cougars. It semantics really. A matter of cause and
effect. I hope that answers your question.Now on to Smith and
Weddle...After winning an NFC West title, and finishing with a 13-3
overal record last season, Smith did NOT bust, owned the NFL's 9th highest
QB rating, and subsequently re-signed to a new $33 million contract. Ouch.
That must really sting those frantic and emotional Indy-WACey Y fans such as
@metamoracoug"And yet, Whit is a coug"__________If he's such a coug why didn't he put a stop to that 54-10
beat down? Hmmmmmm ... weird.
Navelvet & Hedgie:And yet, Whit is a coug . . .
"Whittingham has done a far better job at putting Utes into the NFL than
Mendenhall had done"Naval Vet.Naval, that might be a
bit of an understatement. Kwhitt has sent a total of 17 players he recruited to
the NFL. Over that same period of time Broco has sent a total of ZERO (0)
players he recruited to the NFL. Not even worthy of a debate.
@Naval VetLet's be honest with ourselves. It's so obvious
you have never played organized team sports, right? To name players and proclaim
their lack of significant impact to a program is just unbelievable. NFL players? Alex Smith? WHO! You mean the #1 pick that is about to become one
of the biggest busts of all time? Are you talking about Eric Weddle? He may be
the highest paid safety, but the last time I watched him play, the Football
bounced off his head and the opposing receiver caught it for a touchdown. Is
that the impact you're talking about?
re: worf 11:34 a.m. May 26, 2012And when they resolve the QB
situation; USC had better be wary.
@Naval VetSo by your thought process, you proclaim BYU irrelevant
because their best player had never heard of BYU before and their new mammoth
linemen that just committed, a member of the church, hardly knows anything about
BYU. You take that as speaking volumes?Haha! I take that as speaking
volumes that you're obsessed. that you have a one track mind! That BYU
starts your day and ends it. Funny how our views differ?
Bluesmack:Let's be honest with ourselves here. Whittingham has
done a far better job at putting Utes into the NFL than Mendenhall had done
likewise for the cougs. 2011 was the last year of eligibility for the bulk of
your 2005 recruiting class. Here are your '05 2-star recruits:Ashworth, Aulai, Bolden, Covey, [Shawn] Doman, Hafoka, Hooks, Howard, Hulbert,
Luekenga, [Harvey] Unga, VaihaiI see ONE player on that list that
made a significant impact, and has since moved on to the NFL. And to MY
knowledge, Unga hadn't made it up from the Bears' practice team yet,
so I wouldn't put him in the same league as Utah's #1 draft
pick/starting 49ers QB, or the highest paid Safety in the NFL.
Congrats Cougs, if this guy has any speed with that size then this could be one
of those under the radar guys that comes in and makes an impact.That being
said, I suspect this guy will never be a BYU Cougar - sounds like he's in a
bit of a hole academically. I've read this story before.
Hilarious when Ute fans pull out their little 'RIVALS' rating book on
all BYU recruits, and start pointing out their shortcomings and inferior talent
compared to Utah recruits.So going by the standards they have set,
Eric Weddle, Alex Smith, Brian Johnson and many other former Utes just
don't offer much, or just don't make the cut. Hey, BYU would've
gladly taken them off your hands. Talk about a fan base with no
Bluesmack:"If you truly believe what you post, then do us BYU
fans a favor and show us how irrelevant BYU is by never, ever posting your
comments on another BYU article."I thought I was doing cougar
fans a favor by illustrating how irrelevant you are by posting facts how
Ma'ataua Brown didn't know much about your program before just now.
That's even worse than the revelation about your star WR not knowing much
about your program either until his last semester of high school. At least
Hoffman isn't LDS, but what can you say about Brown? How can an LDS
football player, from Southern California, not know about the Y if the cougars
are so relevant? I think that speaks far greater volumns about your rapidly
declining significance in the college football world than the 230,000 or so
other registered Utah alumni who don't comment on these threads.Anyway, congratulations on your latest recruiting battle with Western
Michigan. Way to "send a message" to Kalamazoo.
hedgehogAnn Arbor, MI"Western Michigan must be devastated.
Pretty sure this will be a lead story on Sport Center/"So
that's the criteria for a great recruit? Tell us all, when did Utah ever
have a commit that was worthy of that criteria when they committed? Utah
Bluesmack: "I definitely believe Utah is irrelevant, hence I don't
follow one thing about them ... Now that's how you know a team is
irrelevant!"-----------Don't worry you'll
learn who they are after they put another spanking on BYU this September. If
you want to learn, go see the box-score from last year.Nope... as of
today "you know a team is irrelevant" in college football when you
continue to be in "discussions" while teams pass you by into the Super 4
(SEC, Big 12, PAC-12, and Big 10).
Utah's top football program is re-loading.
Nice catch for the Cougars. It confuses even navel vets.
If he's coachable and has the physical tools, he could be great in
Mendenhall's defense. He may not have the star power fans might want but at
least he's providing needed depth and Coach M deemed him worthy of a
scholarship. I trust the coaches.Most spots on the team are okay for
2013, but BYU needs to focus on recruiting more depth at cornerback and
defensive end, two positions that BYU has struggled to recruit well for some
reason as of late.
Western Michigan must be devastated. Pretty sure this will be a lead story on
He certainly has a lot of size but don't get too carried away. According
to Rivals, he doesn't have a star rating yet and had two offers. BYU and
W. Michigan. Yes that is West Michigan, not the Woverines. Might turn into a
good play and might not. We will see.
Last year Utah brings in a 4* JC DT who decommitted from Florida and choose
Utah, even after Star decided to come back to school.BYU beat out
Western Michigan for this kid, congrats.To each their own.
What a refrigerator!!!! Keep those grades up and pulverized some utes to the
ground when you play them will ya? It will be a sweet site to see.
Do you kittens live in the real world?? You sign nice LDS boys and thats it.
Utah signs LDS boys but they go beyond that and sign top talent!! the gap gets
It is a well-known fact in all of Mormondom,that at BYU, any freshman student,
whether an athlete or academician, is given an academic bootcamp thrashing, his
or her freshman, and part of the sophomore years.Therefore, it is much
better to get someone who's gone through the JC system first. I think he
will do just fine, along with good tutoring. Good job BYU.
@Naval VetAnd somehow we find you on every BYU article! Your actions
conflict with your rants. It's almost like self abuse. I definitely believe
Utah is irrelevant, hence I don't follow one thing about them. I
couldn't tell you who their starting quarterback is or who is in the
running. I couldn't even tell you who their head coach is. Now that's
how you know a team is irrelevant! If you truly believe what you
post, then do us BYU fans a favor and show us how irrelevant BYU is by never,
ever posting your comments on another BYU article. But then, we all know the
truth about you Ute fans. Keep those rants coming!
Poor kid, now he'll never get drafted. That'll be tough.
Cougar Passion, you are talking about Star Lotulelei, projected to be a top 5
pick in the 2013 NFL draft. Not top 5 rounds, one of the first five selected.
He went to Bingham High, committed to BYU, couldn't qualify academically,
went to Snow College, then Utah.
@naval vetAnd yet he still committed to BYU.
Lowering academic standards? Sounds like someone wants to be competitive.
"BYU defensive line coach Steve Kaufusi made it out to meet with Brown
earlier this month. Up to that point, he didn't know much about the Cougar
program."The article ALSO confirmed that he's LDS. An LDS
member from SoCal who doesn't know much about the program at the Y? Wow.
This Indy-WACey irrelevance thing is even worse than I'd previously
There was another article recently about how BYU has cooled on academically
questionable JuCo prospects because of great players never making it onto the
field, and that's why they did not pursue the lineman at the U--can't
remember his name right now, no disrespect intended; just don't have time
to go search for it. Sounds like BYU has decided to start taking chances again,
probably precisely because of the success experienced by the aforementioned U
lineman. Hope these gambles work out!
6'5" 360? talk about some massive beef up front, nice to see this kid
committ along with his cousin. I look forward to seeing both play at BYU in the
At 6' 5" and 360 pounds, BYU got a man to match our mountains.Ditto on what sammyg said. The coaches will help their players succeed
That is one big boy. Good luck on graduating and we hope to see you on the field
soon. Go Cougars!
These guys are beasts! Can't wait till they don the blue and represent the
premiere program in the State.
"I like that BYU represents a lot more than just football."...and know you know... the rest of the story.Welcome guys! Work
hard and it will be worth it!