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Published: Sunday, May 20 2012 3:56 p.m. MDT

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UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

I am a man, I am married, and I am LDS. I have spent decades launching new products and building businesses.

That said, if I have a product that is no longer selling, the usual suspect is that the product isn't adding the value it used to, or the customer has new options. For centuries, women who wanted families had to marry to have that happen, there were no options. I am not talking religiously, by economically. Lets be honest, women had to put up with some pretty useless and in come cases bad relationships to have families.

Today, women have options. They don't have to put up with men who bring little value to the relationship in order to have kids. Yes, there are huge downsides to trying to raise kids alone. But what this says is in many cases, the men involved are worse options than going it alone. To me, this is a sad statement about many of my fellow men, that they are failing to live up to what would needed to be considered life partners.

ute alumni
Tengoku, UT

this makes libs happy. looks like 40% of pregnant women are doing a great job controling their bodies

ute alumni
Tengoku, UT

NC
marriage and babies are products? maybe you ought to rethink your "credentials"

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Ute Alumni.... nope, not products, but what make people commit to something, same dynmaics apply... and when "men" don't add any value to a family.... yeah, women will choose otherwise.

And what I love about this "looks like 40% of pregnant women are doing a great job controling their bodies".... these women didn't get pregnant by themselves. What about men taking a little responsibility here?

That is the whole problem. If men respected women, most of this problem would go away. It takes two, and either side could curtail this problem dramatically... including the men in the equation.

But i love teh current thinking... lets blame someone, rather than taking responsibility. It took two to make a baby, that hasn't changed. It will take two to fix the problem - neither side is exempt from responsibility.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

Wouldn't it be nifty if when a woman had a baby and she left it at the hospital instead of taking it home, that the father would be arrested for child neglect.

Pipes
Salt Lake City, UT

And they'll all be voting for Obama!

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

@LValfre:
"Morals are subjective. When you're saying the country's becoming immoral you're saying it's not aligning with YOUR morals. Stop being so selfish. Look up ethnocentrism. You're the epitome of it."
Morals are absolute AND you believe deep down in your heart that they are absolute despite what you think you believe. One moment you say that morals are subjective, and the next you tell sjgf to stop being selfish. You believe in absolute morality that dictates that sjgf should not be selfish. That in itself is a projection of your belief in an absolute morality.

"Look up ethnocentrism." That is a reference to multiculturalism Dogmatists have hijacked multiculturalism as a way to say that there is no absolutes. That all behaviors are equally neutral. The point of multiculturalism was to be exposed to different cultures to adopt better paradigms and values. But that view presupposes an absolute standard of right and wrong. How else can one study poetry written by cannibalistic societies and recognize that the poetry is good but the way of dealing with enemies is bad? Unfortunatley, most dogmatists never get that deep into multiculturalism.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Reality. We just don't do it very well anymore.

Kate Hutch
Kenmore, WA

sjgf: you write:
"When people mention that the USA is becoming less moral, that is based on what it used to be. The United States is a Christian nation, and the moral measuring stick is that of the Judeo-Christian moral code."

We also used to allow slavery. Child protection agencies did not exist. African Americans could not vote. Beating your wife was legal.

Is all of that moral? That is, after all, what "used to be."

Kate Hutch
Kenmore, WA

Pipes:
Those voting for Obama believe in a fair equitable society where citizens have opportunity to get ahead economically according to desire and ability and the cards are not stacked against them at birth due to social status, gender, or skin color. We believe women should be able to decide IF they birth children, and WHEN they give birth, and HOW MANY children they want to have if they so choose to have children. We do not believe it is the place of religion to decide that for all Americans. Religion can certainly provide guidelines for its members who are members of that religion by choice and who are then free to choose to follow those guidelines or not. Religious people can be moral or immoral. Nonreligious people can be moral or immoral. But your religious views cannot dictate the rules that all Americans live by. Sigh......I think people get a little enthusiastic about their own religions and forget that part of our constitution sometimes.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"Pipes
Salt Lake City, UT
And they'll all be voting for Obama!"

That is really funny. I am adopted myself, and we have adopted a chile. In both cases the mothers were active LDS young ladies. You really think that only liberals get pregnant out of wedlock? Good grief the rose colored glasses have gotten thick.

johanBjorn
Salt lake city, UT

Two things:

1) The United States is NOT a Christian nation. It was never intended to be that way by the founding fathers. It has slowly evolved into that over the last century.

2) Many of you should be ashamed of yourselves. You are so unbelievably judgmental with regard to anyone that is different than you are. You seem to think that your jacked up sense of morality is justified because it was derived from a religious text.

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