I´m with you LDS. I believe both are good men who have our country´s
best interest at heart. Politics is such a dirty machine, that I refuse to
believe, let alone pass on, any of the vile info that is spread on BOTH sides. I
will vote for the LDS guy only because that´s what I´ve always hoped
I´d be able to do.
LDS from Cedar City, UT wrote:"Once elected, however, a
politicion in America must represent the majority, while protecting the minoity.
Thus, Presidents tend to become more moderate and less polarized."Which makes me wonder why we should exchange "moderate" Obama for
RE: Midwest Mom, However the topic was the faith practice of a presidential
candidate. I support any good man, or woman, who runs for office, regardless of
their religious faith. True, But the problem is that Mormons now say
they are Christians yet deny basic Christian beliefs. Creation Ex Nihlio:
For in him All things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and
invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have
been created through him and for him.(Col 1:16).Rev 12:7-9 is about
demons/fallen angels, Not Jesus as the Spirit brother of Lucifer who was a
created being. Ezekiel 28;13-17. ... the angels who did not keep
their positions of authority but abandoned their own home… Fallen
angels(demons) Nothing to with pre mortal being. (Jude 1:6(NIV).…and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.(Ecc 12:7)
@m.g. scottI have yet to hear a single coherent answer to Paul
Krugman's question as to why the current amount of debt is such a big issue
for us (the biggest economy in the world with the ability to print currency)?
We are nothing like Greece (who cannot print currency). Please enlighten us on
how mechanically the meltdown you are so worried about will occur?We
seem to be doing much better than Europe (check relative unemployment for
example). Stimulus is beating austerity. The stock market (Dow)
was circa 7,900 when Obama took office, now kit is circa 13,000 so obviously
investors believe Obama is doing better than the previous Republican
administration. Sure, we need to fix SS and Medicare, but it can be done when
Republicans are willing to come to the table.Sorry, but Rebuplican
whining about the national debt and how somehow we can be both be austere and
grow is unpersuasive.
To Bored to the point of THIS! 2:34 p.m. May 22, 2012Romney is
LDS?----------------------------He pays lip service to
Romney is LDS?
Re: Ranch Hand and others.First of all, profits in a business are
not possible without employees doing the work. You seem to think that a company
can fire all of its people and still make money. It can't. What a company
can do, when advised by smart Bain Capital types, is decide which people and
jobs are necessary, and which ones are not. Obviously you fit into the latter
category. Sorry, but that happens in life. That's why someone invented the
saying that the only sure things in life are "death and taxes". For those of you on the fence or disappointed about Romney, remember
what this election is about. Simply, whether or not we continue with Obama and
the massive increase of debt, for little return, or we go with a growth
direction to try and work our way out of this mess. Obama may not have started
it, but he has accelerated it at an unbelievable rate. I doubt the American
economy can sustain another 4 years of Obama.
re:Mc"Someone telling distortions and half-truths depends upon our own
view of things"Many conservatives posting comments on these
articles say there is no gray area. Things are either false or true, black or
white--except when it comes from Romney. I could post examples of
falsehoods/distortions from Romney but it won't get posted. But
there are sites which try to separate truth from fiction: politifact, factcheck,
snopes for example..I think Huntsman showed more integrity and
honesty than did Romney during the primary campaign. I also think part of Ron
Paul's appeal is that he doesn't pander to political forces. (though
personally I consider his views to be pretty radical). Romney is no better than
many politicians. His campaign can be just as ruthless, "flexible" etc.
Someone telling distortions and half-truths depends upon our own view of things
and our own perception of truth. I suspect that Midwest Mom felt that Romney
told half-truths and distortions because she sees things differently than he
does. It does not mean he is dishonest. Many of the commenters here have
presented what I consider to be half-truths and distortions because they see
things differently than I do. Does that make you dishonest?
LiberalEastCoastMemberParkesburg, PASometimes I wonder whether I not
only belong to the same church as some commenters on this page do, but even if I
live in the same world as them. How do two people from such similar backgrounds
and beliefs come to see the world so differently? LDS from Cedar City nailed it.
9:56 a.m. May 22, 2012===================== The parable
of the 10 vigins was directed toward the church members.5 listened
and had made themselves ready, 5 did not. I'm Liberal,
and I'm ready.BTW - it's not just a good story about
preparing Food Storage you know -- [which we have, and we're the only
one's our ward who do I might also add].It's about having
ALL things been made ready -- Physically, Mentally, and Spititually.Bring it on.I'm ready.Shalom
@ donn 9:12 a.m. May 22, 2012There is Christian, Biblical support to
the McConkie quote you provided:"How art thou fallen from
heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground,
which didst weaken the nations." (Isaiah 14:12)"And he said
unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." (Luke 10:18)"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against
the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was
their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that
old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he
was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
(Revelation 12:7-9)However, the topic was the faith practice of a
presidential candidate. I support any good man, or woman, who runs for office,
regardless of their religious faith. We would all do well to follow the example
of Jesus Christ, by finding the good in those around us. It is by working
together that we accomplish good.
Sometimes I wonder whether I not only belong to the same church as some
commenters on this page do, but even if I live in the same world as them. How
do two people from such similar backgrounds and beliefs come to see the world so
differently? How does one candidate look like a saint and the other a sinner?
LDS from Cedar City nailed it. Everything else, including this comment is just
RE: LDS. They are both morally grounded? and focused on making life better for
all of us. Both homosexuality and abortion are "tolerated"
by the(Mormon) Church. The extent of "toleration" is growing, however
very gradually. What size flip flops would you like to wear.Bible-believing Christians would disagree with all the above. One thing for
sure Christians do not believe ,”The devil is a spirit son of God who was
born in the morning of pre-existence”. Mormon Elder Bruce R. McConkie.
@Rick2009;The point I was trying to make (not very effectively,
apparently), was that you Republicans are always touting "self
reliance". Yet, you take someone being self reliant, eliminate their job to
"make a profit for the investors", and throw them to the street. How about creating jobs instead of cutting them?When did
Profit over People become the morality our nation chose to follow? Profit at
any cost. Profit, profit, profit (i.e., greed, greed, greed - one of the 7
deadly sins, btw).You guys just love to throw hard-working people to
the street then command them to "get a job". Well, the HAD a job. They
worked for years at that job. Then, along comes people like Romney, and well,
the consequences are evident; just take a look around.
@UtahBruin;I was in management while working for the first company
purchased by Bain. There were only 3 people higher than me in the company. I
still have the little "trophy" thingy they made to celebrate the
purchase and renaming of the company.Cut-throat capitalism. The
"moral" way to run a company. Yep.
I can't understand how so many church members can look the other way and
even support Romney's behavior (distortions and misrepresentations) on the
campaign trail. In my mind, he should be held to a higher standard than the
nonmember, not a lower standard! He is certainly proving to the world that we
are not different or special.
Re:Midwest MomAmenAs an LDS person, I have been very
disappointed in Romney. I was hoping he would raise the tone and standards of
the political discourse, but alas not.
I do not understand where LDS or ranchhand are coming from. As a member of the
LDS church I read in our scriptures and learn from talks by our leaders the
value of self reliance and hard work. Not socialism. Obama is a socialist, he
believes that the answers to all of our problems come from the government. Where
in LDS theology is there any thing about following socialist ideas. Don;t bring
up the United Order either that is NOT socialism either. No where, I repeat no
where do any of our beliefs come near being socialist. As far as them being the
same type of president, I do not get you Utah Mormons most of you don't
even understand the constitution. Four more years of Obama and we are sliding
down a slippery slope to faster doom..
@ LDS 4:36 p.m."Romney is on the campaign trail and as such must
say and do the things a candidate must to obtain support and votes."Representing yourself as something you are not is still bearing false
witness. If a good man cannot run for office without telling lies, then a good
man cannot run for office, period. The only way to change the climate in
politics is to be a different kind of candidate. I stand by my earlier
statement, Mr. Romney does not reflect his faith on the campaign trail. I have
no expectation that he would return to the principles of his faith, if given the
power he seeks.
Lds-People are tolerated. Actions are not. Big difference.
@MidWest Mom.Your comment is cause for reflection. Romney is on the
campaign trail and as such must say and do the things a candidate must to obtain
support and votes.Once elected, however, a politicion in America
must represent the majority, while protecting the minoity. Thus, Presidents
tend to become more moderate and less polarized.I believe Obama or
Romney will preside as a true voice of the majority of us.
LDSCedar City, UT============= Amen and Amen!Not that 2 wrongs make a right, but they really are 2 peas from the same
pod.To note;Gov. Romney has also supported Gay marriage,
Romneycare, and Abortion as Governor of Massachusetts.I also liked
the Old Mitt Romney better than the, newer, born-again, Tea-Party pandering
I'm more conservative than you are, Mitt Romney.I may have even
voted for him, if he had shown more integrity in his core beliefs.Liberal ideals can be compatible within ALL party plat-forms.No
candidate or Government officer is ever held 1005 to them.
Judging by our experience, when he came to Wisconsin, I would have to say that
Romney's religion does not affect his daily political practice at all.
Instead of reminding Wisconsinites of the historically clean and cooperative
government we have had, Romney fueled the fire of governor Scott Walker's
"divide and conquer" tactics by praising the class warfare that has
raged in our state. For example: Romney told half-truths and falsehoods about
the labor issues in Wisconsin. Romney said that Wisconsin's new voter ID
law (the strictest in the nation) were to protect elections from "the other
party" from engaging in their habit of voter fraud; a statement that has no
factual basis. Instead of trusting in God, Romney broke the Sabbath and
campaigned throughout the Sunday he was here. Romney appears to have more faith
in the political process than in keeping the commandments of God. I make it a
point to tell my many non-member friends not to judge our faith by the man who
would be president.
@AZRODS.I'm sure we can all agree on our Faith: Both homosexuality
and abortion are "tolerated" by the Church. The extent of
"toleration" is growing, however very gradually.As
Americans, we will be equally benefited by either of these men. They have their
faults and strengths, as we all do. Neither will lead us astray. In the
office of President, they would serve quite equally.
LDS, I appreciate your respectful tone, but to suggest that Obama has equal
morals as Romney is either stretching the facts or simply ignoring them.Abortion and same sex marriage are two enormous areas that distinguish the
two.Their skills in business also put them on two different levels.Even Obama's closest religious advisers did not like his recent
decision to support same sex marriage. (after 3.5 years of riding the fence)If anything, IMO, these two men are far apart in many ways and our votes will
say a lot about what is improtant to us, our families and our faith.
@UtahBruinFriend, your comment could easily be used to discount
either candidate. My point is that they are so similar. Those outside of the
True Middle only see the perceived faults of one side. But in reality they
would be equally effective presidents. My best to both.
@LDS No not really. Both devoted family men, faithful husbands and
fathers. Check. Both are morally grounded and focused on making life better for
all of us. Morally grounded, yeah I guess to a point. Supporting gay marriage
to me is not moral. Making life better for us all? I don't think so.
Obama, is a self centered, egotistical maniac who only want's what's
best for himself and what makes him look good, the guys arrogance sets me off.
Is he a moderate? No, I don't think so on that either. Is he smart? Well
that's still out for debate, he may be scholastically smart, but for our
country, the answer is a big fat NO! Yep, neither served in the military. I
say vote for the best candidate rather than party. In this case, Obama has
shown nothing over the past 3 years so what makes you think it will change, it
won't. So that leaves Romney, who in my own opinion (doesn't mean
it's right) is the best candidate.
@ranchhandI am not sure that you knew all about whether the comapanies you
claim to have worked for were in financal distress. It is rare that a venture
capitalist makes more money disecting the company than they would if the company
grows. But that is only part of the issue. It is mostly the folks receiving
government checks, either as an employee or as an aid receipiant who wants
bigger government. Even retirees on Social Security recognize the risk to their
earned benefits because of the deficit. Who better to manage the critical
downsizing of the bloated government and the reduction of non earned,
unsustainable benefits it pays out, then a Man who has done it before. Mitt
There's not a dime's worth of difference between Romney and Obama.They are both devoted family men, faithful husbands and excellent
fathers.They are both morally grounded and focused on making life
better for all of us.They are both pragmatic moderates.They are both smart.Neither has served in the military.Their differences, as far as I can determine, are from their perspective on
the world. Nothing more or less.As we members of the LDS Church
prepare to vote, I'm sure we will all make the best conciencious decision.
Many of us will go with Romney. Many of us will vote along with Ried.In the end we'll have a good president. Either will do.
I'd like to see how Obama's faith reflects on his life.Not the
one he suddenly switched to when he became president.What size flip flops
would you like to wear today sir.
Not to worry. Mitt Romney just has to be smarter than Barack Obama. No
@RanchHandYou worked for two companies purchased by Bain Capital?
Which two companies was that...Dominos Pizza, Dunk'in Donuts, Burger King,
Sealy, The Sports Authority, Staples, Toys R' Us, or maybe it was the
Weather Channel. I am curious to know what position you held for your said
"two" companies. You must have been high up to understand and be privy
to the financial make up of your said "two" companies. I am tired of
people popping off about Bain Capital. Asset Manaegment, Financial Services is
what Bain Capital is. There are hundreds and thousands of companies just like
Bain out there. I have never worked for Bain or been purchased by Bain like Mr.
RanchHand. But know what they do before you spout off and accuse them of losing
your job. What about the upper management team that sold to Bain. How did they
not sell you out? Mr. RanchHand should expound, because he was in a position of
knowledge and knows all about the finances of his said "two" companies.
Why did management sell you out for the Millions of $$$ Bain paid for the
companies and employees. Personal responsibility? Try it!
Re: RanchHandI've never worked at a company that didn't
have useless make work jobs. Cutting is always possible. I used to work at a
company called Sportmart. They were Bain capitaled into Sports Authority. Jobs
were lost, new ones were created. Life in the capitalist world goes on. Re: I M LDS 2Don't doubt it. Romney is smarter than
You, Me and Sammy B put together.
@5;I guess it teaches someone "personal responsibility" to
take the job they were working, being personally accountable for their finances,
and eliminating that job.Yep. That's how you teach
"personal responsibility".For what it's worth, I worked
for two different companies purchased by Bain Capital. Neither one was in any
financial distress when purchased, yet jobs were cut. Must make money for the
buyer, not the ones doing the work.
SammyB,I don't think Mitt Romney is smarter than you are.And that is what worries me.
@Wayne Rout"Mitt Romney is probably too honest to be a
politician."Honest people don't take every position on
No Fit in SGI grew up with anti-Mormons challenging me constantly
and never had problems answering their questions. Mitt Romney is a lot smarter
than I am so I am sure those questions wouldn't be a problem for him...but
it would be wrong for him to allow negative people to force him into
non-political discussion. There is a time and place for that, and this is not
the time and place.
Lots in that LDS faith to question. Just brings up a can of worms. Most likely
Mitt has had some difficult discussions during his life with questioning
non-Mormons and found that he is unable to answer their many questions. Better
for him to avoid it at all costs, which could end up with Mitt being a
5, amen to that last statement!
The articles have missed a very important part of his beliefs. Having served as
a bishop he must have had experience with teaching self reliance, agency and
personal accountability. He has been ridiculed for shutting down failing
companies at Bain Capital. True Agency means that we have the potential for
failure. That is life. Would we want to prevent the failure of the companies
that manufactured buggy whips? Or dial phones. Mitt has had the very unpleasant
experience of shutting down companies that were not competitive. Who better to
be president and manage critically necessary downsizing of our bloated
The last sentence says it all.But he's scared to explore that side of
his life due to people not liking Mormons.I disagree with his move there.
Mitt Romney is probably too honest to be a politician. I think he would bet a
good, maybe great president, but I doubt he will have the opportunity to serve.
The liberal media willdo their best to protect Obama. Further, since half the
people are getting money from the government those will vote for Obama no matter
what it does to the country.