Published: Sunday, May 20 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT
Does the Tea Party have a future in Utah politics? Yes, aboslutely, to put it
bluntly Mormons cannot be too right wing or too crackpot. That is reality in
Last Utah General Legislative Session for 2011, I remember seeing bill after
bill sponsored by Sen. Dan Liljenquist pass the house. I was amazed at the
respect he and the bills had. I was amazed at how both republicans and democrats
voted for them.For example, his 2011 SB 180 Medicaid Reform bill
passed both houses with no votes against it from either party and was signed by
the Governor.With at least 7 bills, both the house and senate, both
republicans and democrats all voted for the reforms Senator Dan Liljenquist
proposed. In all, 9 of his bills were signed by the Governor.We need
that in Washington DC. These are the same areas that are bankrupting our nation.
Again, we need Dan Liljenquist in Washington DC. Yes, we have a US Senator with
35 years of seniority, but remember that in 2011, Senator Dan Liljenquist was
still in his first 4 year term. He did it without seniority.
It is sad that the country has continued its slow creep over the past century to
an ever increasing socialistic structure. So much so that what was once main
stream thinking is now call extreme right wing ideology. We would not be
labored with a struggling economy right now if it were not for all the unfunded
socialistic liabilities. Liabilities passed by those looking to win a vote
instead of looking to do what is right. Hatch is one of many guilty of this
very thing through the support and passage of bills such as Medicare part D. He
wears as a badge of honor that Medicare part D has come in under budget. Never
mind that it is unfunded. So instead of being saddled with 25 billion in
unfunded liabilities, we are saddled with 17 billion. How is this not considered
insanity?And now when some choose to stand up and scream "No more of
the insanity!", they are labeled "extreme". If we cannot get back to
fiscal responsibility and if we continue to elect those that are Conservative in
name only, I fear our country will be lost.
My father lived through the great depression on a farm. He was a Kennedy
democrate because of Kennedy's position on the role of government. Ask not
what your contry can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. Mr. Hatch
has been in Washington for 36 of the 50 years since Kennedy and he has
participated in all the compromises that have led us to where we are now. His
lack of leadership while being a member of the minority party is partly to
blame. So it is my plea that Mr. Hatch allow someone else to try. Please come
home and be a full time grandpa. 36 years of compromise, which compromise
consistently moves our society to the liberal left, has put us on the brink of
societal disaster. Mr. Webb, it may take what you label as idealogues to save
The Tea Party is a mirror image of the "New Left" that swept the
Democrats in the late sixties and early seventies. After providing an initial
burst of enthusiasm, they caused the Democrats to lose elections for twenty
I most certainly hope not. I have seen enough anti-sex education bills, anti-tax
pledges, pro-corporate legislation, anti-ethics, anti-regulation, bashing of the
federal government while lobbying to keep Hill Air Force Base Open, and the
lowering of our credit rating in just these last few years to last for a
lifetime! Then again, Utah politics teach us two things:#1 Repubs will never be held accountable. They received a D on accountability
just a few months ago. Yet, no mention of reform or ethics. Just more continual
Wash DC and teacher bashing.#2 Utahns deserve everything they get. They
still give Bush a positive mark. Unbelievable. So anything is
possible in Utah!
I get tired of the negative attacks on so called "Tea party"
individuals. There may be many definitions of this term. I would define that
term as an individual who is self reliant, hard worker, limited government,
frugal, pays taxes and is concerned about the direction we are headed as a
country. If that is your definition then sign me up! If you think the
conservative movement is dead just ask Dick Lugar. We are not as vocal as in the
last election but very entrenched and alive and well. Orrin will soon find this
out as well, he needs to go. Dan will do a fine job as our new Senator.
I agree with Hunt. It used to be that respect for freedom, limited government,
and the Constitution (which are what the Tea Party movement stands for) were
"mainstream." Disparaging comments about the Tea Party movement
indicate a decreased understanding and appreciation of our country's
"It is sad that the country has continued its slow creep over the past
century to an ever increasing socialistic structure. So much so that what was
once main stream thinking is now call extreme right wing ideology. "The "creep" to which you refer is actually the rush of the GOP
towards extreme right-wing, reactionary positions.Dwight Eisenhower,
Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan would be booed from the stage if they spoke at
any of today's Republican state conventions. That speaks volumes about
where the GOP has allowed itself to be taken.The John Birch Society
was once, properly, regarded as the GOP's crazy uncle, something of an
embarrassment, politely acknowledged at family gatherings but little more. Now
the Birchers are running the show - as evidence by the right's casual use
of "socialism!" and "communism" as invective against those who
call attention to irrational silliness of their positions.The Tea
Party _is_ wholly an invention of corporate-funded political PR groups. Doubt
me? Look at the TP's founders and their organizations' sources of
funds."I get tired of the negative attacks on so called "Tea
party" individuals."If the shoe fits...
As long as Tea Party equals calls for "I don't' want to pay
taxes", they will live long and prosper. Oh sure, it may change its name.
It used to be Birchers... now Tea Party, next, who knows what. But there are
always those who feel paying taxes just isn't right.... I don't see
that type ever loosing a heavy base in Utah.Its an "all about
me" mentality.... While doing or sacrificing for the community
is considered "socialism", I see no change what so ever.
"The 'creep' to which you refer is actually the rush of the GOP
towards extreme right-wing, reactionary positions."I can assure
you, that is not the "creep" I'm referring to. I'm referring
to government entitlements that continue creeping ever so slowly in increasing
numbers into our government and in the process, take away power and rights from
the individual under the guise of charity and doing what is right for the common
good. The Tea Party was not started by any one person or funded by
any one group. It is a loosely knit collection of like minded individuals for
the common cause of decreasing the size and power of the federal government and
returning rights to the states. In short, returning to the country our
forefathers intended it to be.The typical spin by the establishment
is to demonize the Tea Party through general terms and to never get too
specific. Debating them on the specifics would be to lose the argument through
simple logic and reason. When one looks at the specifics one starts to question
how anyone would call what the Tea Party stands for "extreme".
I love these articles that suggest the Tea Party are finished. The fact that
such articles are endlessly written, however, suggests that "Tea Party"
ideas are alive and well and that this bothers many people.Sorry but
in a democratic republic you have to put up with opposition. At the same time
in a constitutional republic there are rights reserved by the people and the
states; not everything is up for a vote. Individual and states' rights are
spelled out in the Bill of Rights. Fifty-one percent of the votes
in Congress don't truly, definitely not with mathematical exactitude
represent the views and best interests of the people but of the powerful. Since
Congress routinely votes against the wishes and best interests of the people,
the odd inference that the Tea Party is a majority, albeit just barely, of the
American people bent on destroying the rights of the remaining 49% does not hold
up. Interesting, though, that Pignanelli-Webb seem to suggest,at one and the
same time,that the Tea Party is on its way out and that it represents 51% of the
people. They seem to passionately desire that minority rule should continually
Let us hope dearly that financial sanity is not the exclusive provenance of one
party or faction. The TP's greatest supporter is an administration that
borrows $.40 on the dollar.
It is hard for me to understand why the Tea Party is lambasted so much. You
mean you are opposed to free enterprise the system that made our country the
greatest in the world? You want to continue spending $1.40 for every $1 brought
in? You want to tax the few people who can start a business successfully?
I agree with the comments of "concerned conservative". I am NOT
offended by Tea Party proponents. I think, on the whole, they are genuinely
concerned about the political future of our country and the spiral path we have
been on for the past two decades. Senator Lugar of Indiana recently found out
that the Tea Party is alive and well in 2012. History does often repeat itself.
Look out, Senator Hatch. June 26th will be a day of reckoning. Vote Dan
Liljenquist for Utah Senator!
So Webb doesn't think Mike Lee is an idealogue? Think again.Mike Lee in his own words:“I find myself duty-bound to
resist the consideration and approval of additional nominations."Mike Lee continues to obstruct all judicial and executive branch appointments
from getting an up or down vote even when the appointees get near unanimous
approval by Republicans serving in committees.Mike Lee also
supported the debt ceiling boycott.In UT apparently everything looks
liberal left when viewed from the far right.
TEA Party, Taxed Enough Already?Most people agree with that. Most people
agree with limited government. There was a Boston Tea Party. People have
been trying to make anyone that showed up to any of the TEA Party events
"right wing". The move to make FreedomWorks, or other groups
"TEA Party" is pretty sad. They aren't the TEA Party. The TEA Party
has been a target for those that want bigger government.Does anyone
agree with every TEA Party group or individual? No. Does anyone agree with
every conservative group or individual? No.Does anyone agree with every
liberal group or individual? No.There are a lot of Democrats and
Republicans.There aren't any members of a TEA Party, just
individuals and groups of people that care about the country and believe in the
US Constitution.FreedomWorks had almost nothing to do with Sen.
Bennett losing two years ago. That was 3 campaigns that worked really hard. Were
those that were allies of the TEA Party movement involved? Yes. There is a big
As long as the idiots in Washington continue to spend us into the poor house I
hope the Tea Party will keep reminding us about this issue. Maybe the
politicians someday will take note. Not many groups before the Tea Party said
much about the spend spend spend attitude in Washington.
The more that things change, the more they stay the same.I remember
the 1960’s – Back then it was dying in senseless Foreign Wars,
AmWay the John Birch Society and the Red-Scare.50 years
later…. It’s still; dying in senseless Foreign Wars, NuSkin
& Herbalife, the Glenn Beck Tea Partiers and the Red-Scare.
I'm confessedly more moderate than many conservatives I know and I'm
no blind fan of Hatch, but I think Hatch's seniority does a lot for the
state and he's worth keeping around. I think the tea party's days are
numbered--they've started to fracture and many of their ideals are too far
related to Libertarians, whose pro-pothead, anticonservative social messages
leave most decent culturally conservative folk queasy.
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