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Published: Sunday, May 20 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

Does the Tea Party have a future in Utah politics? Yes, aboslutely, to put it bluntly Mormons cannot be too right wing or too crackpot. That is reality in Utah.

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

Last Utah General Legislative Session for 2011, I remember seeing bill after bill sponsored by Sen. Dan Liljenquist pass the house. I was amazed at the respect he and the bills had. I was amazed at how both republicans and democrats voted for them.

For example, his 2011 SB 180 Medicaid Reform bill passed both houses with no votes against it from either party and was signed by the Governor.

With at least 7 bills, both the house and senate, both republicans and democrats all voted for the reforms Senator Dan Liljenquist proposed. In all, 9 of his bills were signed by the Governor.

We need that in Washington DC. These are the same areas that are bankrupting our nation. Again, we need Dan Liljenquist in Washington DC. Yes, we have a US Senator with 35 years of seniority, but remember that in 2011, Senator Dan Liljenquist was still in his first 4 year term. He did it without seniority.

Hunt
Spanish Fork, UT

It is sad that the country has continued its slow creep over the past century to an ever increasing socialistic structure. So much so that what was once main stream thinking is now call extreme right wing ideology.
We would not be labored with a struggling economy right now if it were not for all the unfunded socialistic liabilities. Liabilities passed by those looking to win a vote instead of looking to do what is right. Hatch is one of many guilty of this very thing through the support and passage of bills such as Medicare part D. He wears as a badge of honor that Medicare part D has come in under budget. Never mind that it is unfunded. So instead of being saddled with 25 billion in unfunded liabilities, we are saddled with 17 billion. How is this not considered insanity?
And now when some choose to stand up and scream "No more of the insanity!", they are labeled "extreme". If we cannot get back to fiscal responsibility and if we continue to elect those that are Conservative in name only, I fear our country will be lost.

5
Orem, UT

My father lived through the great depression on a farm. He was a Kennedy democrate because of Kennedy's position on the role of government. Ask not what your contry can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. Mr. Hatch has been in Washington for 36 of the 50 years since Kennedy and he has participated in all the compromises that have led us to where we are now. His lack of leadership while being a member of the minority party is partly to blame. So it is my plea that Mr. Hatch allow someone else to try. Please come home and be a full time grandpa. 36 years of compromise, which compromise consistently moves our society to the liberal left, has put us on the brink of societal disaster. Mr. Webb, it may take what you label as idealogues to save us.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The Tea Party is a mirror image of the "New Left" that swept the Democrats in the late sixties and early seventies. After providing an initial burst of enthusiasm, they caused the Democrats to lose elections for twenty years after.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

I most certainly hope not. I have seen enough anti-sex education bills, anti-tax pledges, pro-corporate legislation, anti-ethics, anti-regulation, bashing of the federal government while lobbying to keep Hill Air Force Base Open, and the lowering of our credit rating in just these last few years to last for a lifetime!

Then again, Utah politics teach us two things:

#1 Repubs will never be held accountable. They received a D on accountability just a few months ago. Yet, no mention of reform or ethics. Just more continual Wash DC and teacher bashing.
#2 Utahns deserve everything they get. They still give Bush a positive mark. Unbelievable.

So anything is possible in Utah!

concerned conservative
Cedar City, UT

I get tired of the negative attacks on so called "Tea party" individuals. There may be many definitions of this term. I would define that term as an individual who is self reliant, hard worker, limited government, frugal, pays taxes and is concerned about the direction we are headed as a country. If that is your definition then sign me up! If you think the conservative movement is dead just ask Dick Lugar. We are not as vocal as in the last election but very entrenched and alive and well. Orrin will soon find this out as well, he needs to go. Dan will do a fine job as our new Senator.

PeanutGallery
Salt Lake City, UT

I agree with Hunt. It used to be that respect for freedom, limited government, and the Constitution (which are what the Tea Party movement stands for) were "mainstream." Disparaging comments about the Tea Party movement indicate a decreased understanding and appreciation of our country's founding principles.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

"It is sad that the country has continued its slow creep over the past century to an ever increasing socialistic structure. So much so that what was once main stream thinking is now call extreme right wing ideology. "

The "creep" to which you refer is actually the rush of the GOP towards extreme right-wing, reactionary positions.

Dwight Eisenhower, Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan would be booed from the stage if they spoke at any of today's Republican state conventions. That speaks volumes about where the GOP has allowed itself to be taken.

The John Birch Society was once, properly, regarded as the GOP's crazy uncle, something of an embarrassment, politely acknowledged at family gatherings but little more. Now the Birchers are running the show - as evidence by the right's casual use of "socialism!" and "communism" as invective against those who call attention to irrational silliness of their positions.

The Tea Party _is_ wholly an invention of corporate-funded political PR groups. Doubt me? Look at the TP's founders and their organizations' sources of funds.

"I get tired of the negative attacks on so called "Tea party" individuals."

If the shoe fits...

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

As long as Tea Party equals calls for "I don't' want to pay taxes", they will live long and prosper. Oh sure, it may change its name. It used to be Birchers... now Tea Party, next, who knows what. But there are always those who feel paying taxes just isn't right.... I don't see that type ever loosing a heavy base in Utah.

Its an "all about me" mentality....

While doing or sacrificing for the community is considered "socialism", I see no change what so ever.

Hunt
Spanish Fork, UT

"The 'creep' to which you refer is actually the rush of the GOP towards extreme right-wing, reactionary positions."

I can assure you, that is not the "creep" I'm referring to. I'm referring to government entitlements that continue creeping ever so slowly in increasing numbers into our government and in the process, take away power and rights from the individual under the guise of charity and doing what is right for the common good.

The Tea Party was not started by any one person or funded by any one group. It is a loosely knit collection of like minded individuals for the common cause of decreasing the size and power of the federal government and returning rights to the states. In short, returning to the country our forefathers intended it to be.

The typical spin by the establishment is to demonize the Tea Party through general terms and to never get too specific. Debating them on the specifics would be to lose the argument through simple logic and reason. When one looks at the specifics one starts to question how anyone would call what the Tea Party stands for "extreme".

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

I love these articles that suggest the Tea Party are finished. The fact that such articles are endlessly written, however, suggests that "Tea Party" ideas are alive and well and that this bothers many people.

Sorry but in a democratic republic you have to put up with opposition. At the same time in a constitutional republic there are rights reserved by the people and the states; not everything is up for a vote. Individual and states' rights are spelled out in the Bill of Rights.

Fifty-one percent of the votes in Congress don't truly, definitely not with mathematical exactitude represent the views and best interests of the people but of the powerful. Since Congress routinely votes against the wishes and best interests of the people, the odd inference that the Tea Party is a majority, albeit just barely, of the American people bent on destroying the rights of the remaining 49% does not hold up. Interesting, though, that Pignanelli-Webb seem to suggest,at one and the same time,that the Tea Party is on its way out and that it represents 51% of the people. They seem to passionately desire that minority rule should continually prevail.

Owl
Salt Lake City, UT

Let us hope dearly that financial sanity is not the exclusive provenance of one party or faction. The TP's greatest supporter is an administration that borrows $.40 on the dollar.

What in Tucket?
Provo, UT

It is hard for me to understand why the Tea Party is lambasted so much. You mean you are opposed to free enterprise the system that made our country the greatest in the world? You want to continue spending $1.40 for every $1 brought in? You want to tax the few people who can start a business successfully?

swede1952
Smithfield, UT

I agree with the comments of "concerned conservative". I am NOT offended by Tea Party proponents. I think, on the whole, they are genuinely concerned about the political future of our country and the spiral path we have been on for the past two decades. Senator Lugar of Indiana recently found out that the Tea Party is alive and well in 2012. History does often repeat itself. Look out, Senator Hatch. June 26th will be a day of reckoning. Vote Dan Liljenquist for Utah Senator!

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

So Webb doesn't think Mike Lee is an idealogue? Think again.

Mike Lee in his own words:

“I find myself duty-bound to resist the consideration and approval of additional nominations."

Mike Lee continues to obstruct all judicial and executive branch appointments from getting an up or down vote even when the appointees get near unanimous approval by Republicans serving in committees.

Mike Lee also supported the debt ceiling boycott.

In UT apparently everything looks liberal left when viewed from the far right.

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

TEA Party, Taxed Enough Already?
Most people agree with that. Most people agree with limited government.
There was a Boston Tea Party. People have been trying to make anyone that showed up to any of the TEA Party events "right wing".

The move to make FreedomWorks, or other groups "TEA Party" is pretty sad. They aren't the TEA Party. The TEA Party has been a target for those that want bigger government.

Does anyone agree with every TEA Party group or individual? No.
Does anyone agree with every conservative group or individual? No.
Does anyone agree with every liberal group or individual? No.

There are a lot of Democrats and Republicans.

There aren't any members of a TEA Party, just individuals and groups of people that care about the country and believe in the US Constitution.

FreedomWorks had almost nothing to do with Sen. Bennett losing two years ago. That was 3 campaigns that worked really hard. Were those that were allies of the TEA Party movement involved? Yes. There is a big difference.

tenx
Santa Clara, UT

As long as the idiots in Washington continue to spend us into the poor house I hope the Tea Party will keep reminding us about this issue. Maybe the politicians someday will take note. Not many groups before the Tea Party said much about the spend spend spend attitude in Washington.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

The more that things change, the more they stay the same.

I remember the 1960’s –
Back then it was dying in senseless Foreign Wars, AmWay the John Birch Society and the Red-Scare.

50 years later….
It’s still; dying in senseless Foreign Wars, NuSkin & Herbalife, the Glenn Beck Tea Partiers and the Red-Scare.

raybies
Layton, UT

I'm confessedly more moderate than many conservatives I know and I'm no blind fan of Hatch, but I think Hatch's seniority does a lot for the state and he's worth keeping around. I think the tea party's days are numbered--they've started to fracture and many of their ideals are too far related to Libertarians, whose pro-pothead, anticonservative social messages leave most decent culturally conservative folk queasy.

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