To the "Scientist" from Provo, Ut. I feel sorry that you can't
accept anything that you can't prove! As a scientist you must be fully
aware of Mr. Hawkings statement that "a theory is always a theory, and all
you can do is add more information to make it a new theory". That being
said, nothing exists, not even you, because I can't prove the theory that
you exist!So, now that your total knowledge base is blown to
smithereens, why don't you try to glue it back together with some
"faith" that what is, IS, and you can neither prove it nor disprove it!
Those who have had these experiences happen to have some information that you
don't have nor can you prove that they didn't have the experience or
gain the information. Take that and put it into your Scientific
Too bad all the wallstreeters and congress could not have a similar experience.
If they had I think that would quickly end our economic woes. With a new gained
perspective on life they might see how ludicris it is to live to get more money
and presumed power. The billionaires and multi-millionaires may come to realize
that they were blessed with such fortunes to do good in this life rather than
just to acquire more. How much money does one person need? I have been blessed
to have sufficient for my needs, any more and I'd probably just get in
trouble. If everyone lived their life with the knowledge that we are all
Children of the same Heavenly Father and that one day we will return and give an
accounting, What a wonderful world this would be.
Go to Biography.com and watch a few segments of "I Survived: Beyond and
Back." You'll find that this thing we've labeled a near-death
experience is a fairly common occurrence. Every single one of us is going to
die, but unless they have experienced it for themselves, some claim such things
never happen or are effects of oxygen-deprived minds. One of my relatives is
featured on the program on the website I mentioned, and although she was
clinically dead (no brain or heart function) for ten minutes, she was later able
to accurately tell the doctors and nurses (and her own mother in the waiting
room) what they were talking about and what they were doing when she was
"dead," along with identifying the "guardian angels" that
attended each of the doctors trying to revive her. Additionally, I witnessed
myself how after this NDE she was not able to wear those old quartz digital
watches without having them malfunction, and how her "touch lamps" would
turn on as she walked by, without her ever touching them. Somehow the experience
affected her energy. In essence, like the woman in this article, the experience
changed her significantly.
We are not likely to have spiritual experiences while walking down Main Street!
Don't be surprised that these happen when the conscious mind is at rest!
And not everything that comes in a dream is fantasy. So let's learn from
those who have been blessed with an other-worldly experience. I firmly believe
there is much more to life than what our five senses reveal.
I choose to believe there is a "hereafter." Otherwise, what is the
purpose of good vs evil, pleasure vs. pain, etc. Why do we seek to improve
ourselves and our lives. Why help others? Why love others? If there is no
life after death, why are we not just like unconscious animals. No, I refuse to
believe that there is nothing after this life. There is too much that
transcends this mortality. Why do we miss those we love who have died yet
animals easily forget. Why do we need clocks to continually remind us of time?
Because we are eternal creatures and our nature is contrary to time.
Morepunkt--Dr. Stephen "Hawking" (not "Hawkins") may not be
"ultimate paragon of scientific thought," but I somehow think it
unlikely that he is "running away" from God, or anyone else for that
matter. Try looking into his work, or maybe just google an image of him and see
if you don't agree with me.
Love these comments! I don't know what she saw but the skeptic in me sees a
coincidence in the death of a close loved one and her NDE about the same time.
At any rate it is her experience and is meaningful and comforting to her. God
I can see why some are so determined to believe that there is life after death,
but why are some so determined to convince us that there is not?You
believe what you want, just don't make fun of my beliefs. (Santa Claus,
RE: Just Me,You state: Ask yourself, 'Could an explosion in a
printing shop produce a dictionary?' The likelihood is most remote. But if
so, it could never heal its own torn pages or reproduce its own newer
editions!"This is a cute quote, but not very realistic because
if a explosion were to scatter the printing keys in what ever pattern it would
be virtually impossible to replicate that pattern with another like explosion.
And a dictionary is not capable of healing itself because it is made of
inorganic dead material. On the other had biology is capable of healing itself
and evolving because it is organic and living. But it is cute children's
Who knows. No one knows. But, while this story is amazing it is mild compared
to some of the before and after life tales I have heard from Mormon friends
which in themselves are some what mild compared to the spiritual stories told in
parts of remote South America among the superstitious. Anyway, it is comforting
that we can all be happy for the good doctor.
I feel bad for anyone who relies on Steven Hawkings for spiritual guidance. The
story is a great one to be shared by someone who has been positively affected by
her experience, and who has enhanced her life by it. I appreciate the insight
I'm saddened that people want to minimize this woman's experience. Who
are we to judge her? I have never had a near-death experience, but I have had
amazing spiritual experiences in my life. No scientist is going to tell me I was
disillusion at the time. Scientists are the most arrogant, self-centered and
insecure people I know. Many live in a world that is so rigid they can not
experience anything that can't be proven in a lab. Sorry way to live.
I have no reason to disbelieve this woman's story. She strikes me as
credible from what I have read and the interview I saw on youtube.It's puzzling to me that so many brilliant minds can think in terms of
numerous dimensions, imaginary numbers and multiple universes, etc. and yet find
the concept of a spiritual dimension coinciding with this physical one just
impossible to believe.
yet you have the ability to get on here and state your opinions (agency) and the
physical abilities to do it!!!!
A Scientist here...TaipeiModerate,Thank you for the
sentiment. Here is my "testimony": I spent over a quarter of a century
"investigating" Mormonism and following the "Moroni's
Challenge" process with which you are no doubt familiar.Got
nothing.Zip.Nada.I, too, have sought, but
not found; asked, but not been given; knocked, but the door remained unanswered;
requested from "Father" a fish, but received a stone of nothing.So I understand where you are coming from. But hopefully you will also
understand that the requirement to suspend disbelief is just the gullibility
factor prayed upon by such charlatans as the Tailors in the profound story of
the "Emperor's New Clothes". Do not err into believing that because
I do not "see" the robes, authority, and existence of your professed
"god" - Emperor of the Universe - that I am somehow unworthy.
A Scientist:I respect your approach to life quite a bit, and
understand the subtext of your comments-- rife with alienation toward
non-skeptics who couch much of their belief in uncritical and illogical leaps.
Not that it would change your mind about anything, but I have
directly experienced the reality of the existence of God. I had to suspend my
own atheistic leanings, and trusted that he would manifest himself to me if I
was willing to follow the answer I received. I adopted this admonition to seek
him out when invited, remained skeptical, and received a convincing answer to my
surprise. I remain critical, but cannot deny the existence of God.
If we all held to such rigorous standards in the search for truth as to be
"forced, compelled, coerced, constrained, necessitated, and obliged to
believe by cold, harsh facts, reality, and reason" we would all still be in
the dark ages of science compelled to be intellectual virgins in world of beauty
that we never see, never sense or never comprehend.Apply the scientific
principals to this phenomenon rather than say it's beneath your
intellectual capacity. You could be a brave new explorer on the horizon of
human understanding. A wave of ones intellectaul hand does not negate thousands
of experiencers who would call you blind."There is none so blind as
they who will not see" A great bit of wisdom even if it was from some one
you may be unfamilier with.
worfI never presumed to speculate about the origins of school buses
or "big bolders" (sic).But the "Believe what you
want" philosophy is the tagline of the religionists. For myself, I only
believe what I am forced, compelled, coerced, constrained, necessitated, and
obliged to believe by cold, harsh facts, reality, and reason.The
truth demands nothing less than that.To give ourselves over too
easily to belief in various and sundry ideas and notions, especially the ones we
find "comforting", is no different than freely giving ourselves to a
beautiful woman (or man) whose beauty we find comforting. It is intellectual
promiscuity, for which I have as much disdain as I do for the person who is not
rigorously selective about their intimate companion.The pursuit of
truth demands at least as much fidelity as our chastity deserves. Beware
a serious man,Who is Richard Dawkins?pmccombs,There has never been any scientific evidence supporting the existence of
"uncanny clairvoyance and knowledge of hidden things," nor yet of
"remote viewing", "Astral projection/travel", nor
"psi-conducive states" and the rest of the parapsychological
nonsense.Keep in mind, there is no way to distinguish telepathy,
clairvoyance, retrocognition, precognition, perceiving the akashic record, or
having perceptions directly implanted in our minds by some god from perceiving
the hidden record of all perceptions in the eleventh dimension that is vibrating
in the intersection between the tenth and twelfth dimensions.People
can predict the future. We do it all the time, but we usually, if not always, do
it by taking into account our experience, knowledge, and surroundings. Some
predictions by psychics come true. So do some predictions by non-psychics. No
doubt much of our anticipation of the future is unconscious and second nature,
but it is based on quite natural and mundane abilities, not on mysterious or
I believe that your mind can conjure up images to make you more comfortable when
your body is distressed and make you feel happy, sad or even peaceful. But that
does not explain the external knowledge given to some people who have NDEs. How
could someone who has no viable knowledge of things which will happen; things
which are taught them of which they had no previous knowledge, or even be
physically be touched by one of those beings, such as a handshake? There is a
lot of truth to the fact that the body can comfort itself by causing
hallucinations, but those are just that and not real. It is the things which
happen during the near death experiences which cannot be explained are the
things which matter. Personally, I prefer to believe because I know
that there is post-mortal life. But no one is forcing anyone to believe or not.
There is only one way to find out and I am just not ready to go there yet.
RE: The Scientist:Thanks for the good laugh before I went home!!! I
like how you can explain grey matter, brain cells, hallucinations etc... but I
leave you with a quote from a medical doctor and apostle of Jesus Christ:"Ask yourself, 'Could an explosion in a printing shop produce a
dictionary?' The likelihood is most remote. But if so, it could never heal
its own torn pages or reproduce its own newer editions!"It more
simple than you can even admit. Science is REAL with laws and controls.
It's how "The Creator" gets things done. Geez' he's not
If you don't understand this phenomenon the scientific approach would be to
collect data, propose a hypothesis, determine tests that would prove or disprove
this hypothesis or how to develop a theory once you have taken the fore
mentioned steps. I actually have and all the claims about hallucinations,
delusions and psychotic episodes do not relate to the topic of what these people
who have experienced. I do not expect anyone to believe anyting but I do
recommend more than casual investigation of this fascinatiting topic. I will
recommend the word of a world reknowned cardiologist or a prominet neurologist
who has actually had one of these events over some one who reads pop science
articles written by journalists with no knowledge of the subject matter. Might I
recommend starting with Dr. Pimm Van Lommel M.D. Cardiologist or Dr.Eben
A Scientist,Don't be so offended by this. After all, school
buses evolved from a big bolder over many years.Believe what you
I find it odd that Steven Hawkins is so obsessed trying diss the idea of a
God.Could it be that he is running away from Him?Many notable
scientists of at least equal notoriety, ie, Einstein, Newton, to name a few,
believed very much in a higher power.Hawkins is not the ultimate paragon
of scientific thought.
@A Scientist,I have seen similar phenomena in people under hypnosis.
These people were in no way brain damaged or oxygen deprived, but experienced
definite stimuli of multiple senses. They saw scenes acted out, felt emotions
such as joy and sadness, felt electric shocks, and even smelled various odors.
It is quite an easy matter for the mind to conjure things which are not really
there, under the right circumstances (circumstances that are surprisingly easy
to encounter, as I have done myself).The experiences I find
difficult to explain away, however, are those that include an uncanny
clairvoyance and knowledge of hidden things. A friend of mine, an atheist, had
one such experience in which a number of messages were conveyed which he
delivered to relatives who were surprised to receive such insights from a man
who should not have had knowledge of the sort. Oddly, this near-death experience
did not include directives to join a church, find Jesus, or anything of that
nature, and my friend remains an atheist to this day. It does leave
one wondering what it all could mean.
To "A Scientist" So how do you explain one lady dying on the dying and
coming bakc to life and observed a tennis shoe at the roof of the hospital and
later confirmed by doctors that there really was a tennis shoe on the located on
the roof of the hospital.So does lack of oxygen lead the similar
near death experiences as seeing loved ones. Wow, maybe I should "lack of
oxygen" and see my loved ones. Must be something specific to oxygen.
A Scientist: Look, I get the whole Richard Dawkins skeptical scientific
materialism thing, but when it comes to NDEs you are obviously out of your
depth. The experiences bear no resemblance to hallucinations nor do the people
exhibit any form of mental illness or brain damage.
At least eventually we will all experience the truth of whether there is life
after death. If our consciousness ends then no one will really 'know'.
I for one don't really want an end to my consciousness and as a
scientist (Chemical Engineering processes not MetaPhysics) I do find it a little
encouraging that so many of these near-death stories are similar especially when
most had not heard of these experiences before their near-death experience. I
did notice while reading several of these books years ago that the one common
thread to all of these experiences was they no longer feared death which I also
find very encouraging. Please note that oxygen-deprivation experiments do not
reproduce any of these experiences, even with adrenaline.Death is
the last, great adventure to life! How better to experience it than by becoming
the best person we can be in this life?
Santa Claus is also a comforting thought.But comfort does not equal
There are people who say that we have to prove that there is life after death.
With a challenge like that, I say, they have to prove that there isn't.What, no takers... because you can't, just like I can't prove
that there is, it is all taken by the faith that you have one way or another.
So let me believe my way and don't attack it. I don't attack the way
Nice story.We will all figure out how this works one way or the
other. We all get to die. Perhaps one of life's adventures. This story
is comforting to me and may help me live a better, fuller life. If Hawking is
right, my life will have been better and fuller. If he is wrong, he will likely
be pleasantly surprised. I don't have a lot of faith in atheists.
Beautiful story.My Grandfather had a life-after-death experience and
described it the same way.Death - just like mortal birth, the
experience of mortal death happens to ALL people exactly the same.Even Celestial, Terrestial, and Telestial Glories do not happen until after
the Final Judgement --- whenever that may be....
I believe what happened to myself and many of those are the same experiences,not
only the beautiful peace which comes during those times. In my case there were
doctors who were in control of my life and death. The first experience I was
able to talk with my brother-in-law who had been dead for over a month. The
next time I was able to watch my surgery. They had just talked me into being
resuscitated before surgery. Also two men up for surgery left and my surgery
was done about 4 hours early and I had the best leg amputee surgeon in Houston
because they left without surgery. Dr. Stephen Hawking also like to got
to strip joints. We see and hear from who we follow if be of God or Satan. We
chose who our master is by how we live our lives. Everyone has selective
hearing, not just our children. The gifts given us can be used for good or evil
and that is a choice we make each time we receive those gifts.
When the brain is deprived of oxygen, or when the typical electro-chemical
composition is disturbed, hallucinations, delusions, and psychotic episodes are
common.I recently visited with a woman who was "seeing"
people long dead and holding conversations with them, mixed in among
"seeing" people who are still alive but thousands of miles away - but
she saw them in different ages of their lives. She would talk to me, then to
them, then to me again.Either I must conclude that, like Sixth
Sense, I am a ghost (in which case you should all worry that I can type on this
keyboard), or that there is no reason to place any confidence in "near death
experiences" as testimony of "life after life".Stop
depriving your brains of oxygen or scrambling your grey matter like eggs in a
bowl - this will reduce the delusions. And for crying out loud, stop using
brain-damaged persons as witnesses for your faith! It really detracts from your
Has Stephen Hawking had a near-death experience? If not, who is he to judge? If
so, who is he to judge? This was someone else's experience. Only the person
who experienced it really has any idea of how real or unreal it was.
These experiences are real, and they are changing the face of spirituality
around the world. The scientific explanations are embarrassingly inadequate.
Unreal.Now that's a comforting story.
Amazingly interesting topic - I heard Dr. James Moody (author of Life after
Life) speak in the 1980's at BYU. He had collected many accounts of
people who'd experiences in this realm and published them, noting the
commonalities etc. He had not had an experience himself, just collected from
his medical connections. Great read.
Nice story! I hope more people read this and take something good from it!