Author, executive editor discuss evolution of the story
Remember this is a Mormon Web and Chat Site. Soft board though it may be, we
still get a lot of expression in between the guide lines. In the
search for Topic things like this become one. It is of interest to the General
Demographic White Middle Class and lower upper class Mormons. I assure you the
Baptist are Not running this.Large portions of the Demographic still
think that the Church is vastly mostly white and a Black or any other person of
Color going on a Mission is rare. Which I assure you it is not. Their Jaws will
still drop when the young man knocks on their door. They see people
other then white as Hispanic and to them they have there own Branches and Wards.
Where I live in Hawaii my Ward and Stake is mostly run by Hawaiians, and
Hawaiian Mixed, the mix of course includes Whites and Asians, My Chapel has 3
Wards and a Tongan Ward. The Rest is mixed of everything. Other parts of the
Island with more Military have more whites and yes more blacks. It
should not be an issue but it is because people won't let it go.
Awsomeron: I understand what you are saying, But it should be about what this
kid has done on the basketball court, Not about what race or religion he is or
is not. What does any of that have to do with it?. The LDS religion is less then
3% of the US population, Even less world wide so why even bring it up?
Baseball Dad: Because people in place where the Ward may not display the
"World Wide Church" can't seem to get over the fact that people of
color lots of different colors serve Missions.It is not rare for
this to happen anymore and it is not astounding, it is just a personal choice
and an outstanding one. The heavy ball of race needs to be dropped
and broken. Mormonism in 2012 is Not About Race. Its about the 3 fold Mission Of
The Church. Getting the Work Done, and D&C 4:3.
Why does most the comments on seem to revolve around race and religion?
Balan, You are amazing. I never said that YOU experienced anything
like this. Just because YOU did not experience this type of thing or have
witnessed it yourself does not mean it has never happened. Is your head really
that far in the sand? It happens all the time. Maybe YOUR bishop has never put
pressure on anybody but that does not mean that the athletes who say that their
bishop did put pressure on them are lying! Chris Burgess said he received hate
email. Are you saying he is lying? Scott Mitchel said he had a hard time from
several people in Springville. He did not say everyone in Springville but enough
to make it difficult. Is he lying too? I suppose also that President Monson was
referring to absolutely nobody and addressing absolutely no problem when he
stated that athletes should not feel obligated to attend BYU. And, you may not
have seen any venom towards Kyle Whittingham but he sure did. By the
way, nothing I have said is anti BYU. I am a BYU grad and donate money to them
annually. I am very much against extremest fans, however, who embarrass the rest
Max,I've been around a long time and never heard of a bishop or
stake president pressuring kids to go to BYU. What do they do - threaten them
with excommunication??? As for my bishop - he is a Utah fan and my stake
president is an Aggie. So much for the pressure they will put on kids to attend
BYU.I grew up in Springville. Was there disappointment that
Mitchell went to the U? Yes. But if it was as bad as you claim, I doubt he
would ever have returned to coach at Springville High School.The
"venom" directed at Whittingham??? Sorry, I don't see much at all.
And what there is is most definitely far less than the abuse Bronco takes at
the hands of Ute fans.Sorry, but I have not experienced the
"pressure" to attend BYU that you are claiming exists. As I stated
earlier, the only real pressure comes from parents, siblings, coaches, and
friends. This type of pressure exists for EVERY kid that is being recruited to
multiple D1 programs.You need to find another anti-BYU cause to
trumpet that carries a little more validity.
@ Balan, I was responding to someone who said he (and many others)
would "forgive" Chris Burgess ... Sadly it happens all the time.
Actually, it is quite well known the venom Chris Burgess got when he went to
Duke instead of BYU. The BYU coach told him he had disappointed the Prophet.
Chris said he still received hate emails about it while he was at Duke. Scott
Mitchell really got it bad from people in his home town of Springville when he
chose Utah over BYU. Other players have reported the same thing. Some players
have reported that their bishops and stake presidents have pressured them to go
to BYU. If it had not been a problem, I doubt the brethren would have bothered
to make a statement on the issue. My goodness, look at the venom directed at
Kyle Whittingham because he turned down BYU. This nonsense has got to stop.
I'll consider him a "phenom" if he goes on a mission.
UtahBlueDevilAh, so much to like, so much not to like about your
comment.What is it they like to say in sports? Act as if
you've been there before? Yes, we ARE so insecure that we like to see
people of our faith succeed. And we like to see when other people see it. But
after all, across the board, the thing most Americans think when they hear
"Mormon" is "cult." Yes, it pleases me that all of sporting
America will know that Jabari is a fabulous athlete, a fabulous (young) man and
a Mormon.Mitt Romney and "Mormon" not in the same
headline??? In the south??? You gotta be kidding me.And JFK was
the first Catholic President. A lot was made of it, before the election, after
the election and even long after the election. And yes, Catholics were elated.
Because America was a little less than hospitable to Catholics, especially Irish
Catholics. Sounds like a familiar story line to me.
It is great see the common stereotypes melting away with God's own chosen
vessels.I believe Jabari is one of them.
You know, it is cool that he is gracing the cover. But I live in the heart of
Baptist and Methodist territory, and I have yet to see a single sports piece or
even news piece where someone's religion is the main topic of the headline.
Not even Mit Romniey's religion has made that distinction.What
is is about people of my faith that are so insecure that they need to call out
everyone who looks even slightly successful? It is almost like the gay
outings.... hey - did you know (fill in the blank) is a Mormon. As if this
makes a difference. Honor the kid for being good a what he does..... his faith
should not be first word in the headline. No kidding it is a DN exclusive. No
other self respecting "news paper" would lower its journalistic
standards this way.I can see it now.... in Charleston .. news
headline .... Catholic Steven Clobert wins comedy award.... how stupid would
that look. We want the world to take us seriously... lets act a little more
mature about our faith.
@ CaliforniaCougarI, and 7,999,999 other people, will officially forgive
Chris Burgess, if Jabari Parker comes to BYU.Sarcasm does not go
over in type. I hope this was just sarcasm. I hope he goes where he will be
happy and enjoy his one year of college. Good humble kids are easy to root for
no matter where the go it is the prima donnas that you root to fail
He sounds like he could have his choice of colleges. I have heard he and his
family are huge fans of Duke and Coach K. The big basketball schools will be
after him, they probably have offered him all sorts of scholarships already.
Anyways it will be cool to see him play.
i'm proud to be a mormon with people like him
As to Jeff Benedict, I know him and he is a class act.
I'm sure he would be just as good a player if he didn't practice on
Sunday. But that's Chicago.....
This seems like a GREAT young man. It would be incredible to have his talent to
compliment all of the incredible guards BYU is bringing in, and this is the one
program that he will feel comfortable in with his gospel standards and
interests, but I see him going to NC or one of those. He will be a great
missionary before his mission no matter where he chooses. It seems like he
already is. Keep it up Jabari. We would love to have you, anyone would, but go
wherever you feel the best fit. And keep up the image.
Dixie Dan - Nobody said he was going to enroll at BYU, why would Utah county
have a problem with him voting, and most of all what business is it of theirs -
or yours - who he votes for. And frankly, he seems too genuine and humble to
"waste his talents on the U:". He has already said, "Basketball is
what I do, not who I am."
So Max, where is the pressure to attend BYU coming from??? I know that I have
never talked to this young man, and although I would like to see him in blue I
don't expect it to happen - nor will I hold it against him if he chooses a
more highly profiled school. This idea that kids are pressured to attend BYU
because they are LDS is ridiculous and is no more true than saying kids are
pressured to attend the University of Utah because they live in Utah.The pressure to attend ANY school will come from the preferences of the
parents and family; coaches who are recruiting the kids; and possibly close
friends. But the idea that all LDS kids are pressured to attend BYU is a myth -
a "smoke-blowing" technique used by those who dislike the Y.As for Jabari, he will be successful wherever he goes. He is already a
tremendous role model and ambassador for the church. I too look forward to
following his career and wish him the best in all he does.
Interesting point is if you read the article Danny Ainge says not every kid
needs to go on a mission, although all kids should prepare for one. My view is
it's a personal decision and one that should be made through personal
review and prayer. My hope is that he comes to BYU and stays for more than a
year. Like Jimmer, he'll bring a lot of publicity to the school just by
being here. Unlike Jimmer, we'll hope he takes the school farther in the
tournament and then has a successful NBA career. I also like the kid's
honesty. The SI article says he wants to serve a mission but he also admits the
NBA is every bball playing kid's dream.I'm not sure how
active church member Bryce Harper is but it's pretty crazy that two LDS
high school kids have been on the cover of SI within a matter of years and that
both are considered top in their respective sports, neither of which is
The Jazz should clearing their roster of the detritus and debis that fills
thier roster.And position themselves to draft this kid in a few
years.Teams have traded their whole roster to get the one player
that they truly need to lead them to a championship.Could you
imagine a front court of favors and parker and some yet to be named good
center?paired that with true star at two guard and point that can shoot
and only needs to be as good as fisher or rondo or the points chicago or houston
had.so far the jazz only have one true championship level starter,
favors, and a few good bench players. clean out the garbage and
truly develop the young players, and position themselves to get a player like
parker that jazz have never had, and need to win a champioship.
they can start by trading aj and harris and few others to get those first round
picks they will need in a few years.
Benedict wrote that Jabari could, "declare for the NBA draft and become the
first African-American Mormon in the league." I think that
Thurl Bailey, who joined the LDS Church while playing BBall in Italy before
returning to the Jazz for the 1999 season might be suprised to hear that.
I do not see why he would need any more luck then any one else. Lots of people
of color serve Missions tomorrow I host a one from Idaho and one from Tonga and
we are going to have Pizza and Salad, and Ice Cream. We are going to sit high on
my hill overlooking Poki Bay and look out towards forever as the Sun sets in the
Sea. Speak of my just departed friend and Speak of the work and getting it done.
No more luck is needed No More Doors are Slammed as a matter of fact
a few might just open up.If those day are not passed and those times are not
gone then they son will be. You have thought us not to scream in our outrage but
simply ask and plead in our prayers and the Lord will listen and the Lord will
answer.I knew two white kids. Twins about 6'7" (one step key to basket)
When they wanted someones attention they got it. One became a Dr took over dads
office the other one entertainment. One wnet to Texas one to South America. Two
years later the did not looklike twins.
@LValfre...it's called giving credit where credit is due as in
most, if not all, other things and aspects of life. Nothing beguiling or
obsequious as implicated!
I love how some give him credit just for being LDS. "He's gained a
follower" or "I'll follow his career" .... Would you guys care
about him at all if he wasn't? Would this had made the DNews front page?
@California Cougar: Chris Burgess did NOTHING that needed
forgiveness. He followed his heart and we loved having him here. It is very sad
that there are some LDS members (well meaning as they are) who put so much
pressure on these kids to abandon their dreams and attend BYU. Some of them are
down right hateful when they do not choose BYU. The brethren have made is VERY
clear that there is no obligation of any kind for an LDS athlete to attend BYU.
In fact, in my opinion, it is when the salt leaves the shaker that it does the
most good. I hope this young man will follow his dreams and go to the best
school he can go to. He will be an outstanding role model wherever he goes.
Good luck kid, you will need it.
wonderful...I am so happy for him and his family...I hope he continues along
these lines and dosent let fame get to his head..he has to remember that God is
above all things...ever after and always....good luck jabari...and GOD BLESS
YOU...keep it up...
Re: Go UtesDon't worry about jokes coug fans will make about
Jabari not going to the U. It really is no joking matter. Besides, the thought
probably never even remotely crossed his mind to play for Utah; that would have
been a serious waste of time and talent.
I really want to stay within the lines on this and say that he is a good kid and
will one day be a great pro player, weather he serves a Mission or not. Donny
nor Marie served Missions and both are indirectly responsible for more people
being in the the Church then would have been had they served Missions. Some of
those people are in Leadership positions today, some served Missions and now
their children serve Missions and the beat goes on.You cannot point
to a kid and tell your kids hay look at that kid that's your Role Model and
Hero. What would the difference be if he was a White Ball Player. What does the
pigmentation of his skin have to do with good grades or good behavior. "well
he don't act like the rest of them" the rest of what! So he has had a
good upbringing and it shows so what.Practice should not be held on
Sunday anyhow. What about the 2nd string Baptist kid who wants to go to church.
Except for the Basketball Skill I see No Exception here. I see Greater
Expectation from adults. But Why?
Nice article! I enjoyed reading it and look forward to seeing what comes of
Jabari. I wish him the best. In regard to no high school athlete gracing the
cover of SI between Lebron and Bryce Harper though, I think you missed Sebastian
Telfair in March of 2004.
Seems like a good kid and one that will make a great missionary. He seems too
promising and too on the ball to waste his talents on the Y. Given his
upbringing, he obviously has no need for the security blanket and perceived
advantage of having many other Mormons around. As for his prospects of coming
to the U, well, I will let you Y fans make jokes about that. Look
forward to following him. Good luck to him.
Great story! I am impressed with Jabari - a rarity in today's world of
young people and sports. He is going to be an influence for good among many.
BYU or not, I'm a fan of his already. Wishing him the best!
As a BYU fan/alum I hold on to a hope that he will come to BYU. But I agree it
is unlikely. Either way I will be cheering for him all the way (although
probably not his team depending on where he goes). He sounds like a great kid
and a great representative of the Church.
@AZRods - yes he is 1/2 black and 1/2 Poly which tells me why he is a reletive
to Harvey Unga. Nice article about his lds faith and well
documented. Good luck of your choices (college, mission or nba). I won't be
disapointed if he chose elsewhere and Dave Rose won't say anything negative
like Chris Burgas went through.
I, and 7,999,999 other people, will officially forgive Chris Burgess, if Jabari
Parker comes to BYU.
Very cool!! Good luck to him. He is going to be under extreme pressure.
Great! A black LDS athlete from Chicago will enroll in BYU. I wonder how Utah
County will react if he decides to vote for President Obama this November?
Now we know the "Mormom Momement" is real- the cover of SI- the stuff
that really matters in American culture and economics
So nice to see a good young man with good character and morals.I really
don't care if he becomes as good as LJ as long he stays true to his
heart.After dumping the team he grew up with as a rookie, LJ jumped ship
for the $$$ and a title.And he's still waiting on the title.Best of luck Jabari!
Ton of pressure put on someone so young. He seems to be handling it with grace
and hopefully he can continue. Hope to see him at the Y but will follow him
regardless of where he goes.Interesting timing with the election. A
black LDS kid from Chicago...Go Jabari!
What a wonderful and delightful young man blessed with a rare combination of
faith, athleticism, and humility. Kudos to Jabari's father and mother for
raising such an outstanding man. Will not even dare dream about him choosing
BYU for his obvious "one and done" college career-since it is the
longest of long shots. But wherever he ends up, I will look forward to
following Jabari's future collegiate and professional careers. We should be
extremely thankful for this young athlete and for the light and goodness that
emanates from him.
Great story. I'll be a fan of this guy wherever he decides to go to school.
Jabari is and will continue to be a role model.