I address my comment to Rio Tinto:Surely you can see from the
comments so far that your efforts to portray yourselves as friendly to the
environment are utterly useless. You are fighting an enemy who holds the
ENVIRONMENT as its standard of value. They twist their standard and call it a
standard for MAN, as if it is suicidal for man make copper but virtuous for man
live without its benefits because the process of harvesting copper is dirty.
When you run your environmental ads you are seen as groveling at their feet.
They laugh at you, and I shake my head at you.Their standard is NOT
one for man, it is fundamentally ANTI-man.Rio Tinto, your operation
is one of the most PRO-man operations on earth. Your morality, the morality of
Man and human achievement, trumps theirs. You provided the very means for this
rotten article to be published: the copper wires to store and transmit the
subtle words. You provide the very means to clean water, fly jets, talk over
distances, haul goods. Yours is the morality for life and living. Lay down the
environmentalism, and be proud of who and what you are.
Re: "And NO, being a good enviromental neighbor is not going to put them out
of business by any means."Whenever a liberal smugly states, as
absolute, unalterable fact, that an enterprise can easily afford to cave in to
unreasonable liberal demands, you can bet the farm the liberal's real
agenda is to make it so the enterprise CAN'T easily afford it.Liberals' primary concern is hurting business, even if -- particularly
if, for some -- there's no particular benefit to them or anyone else by
it.Just look at the occupier movement.
Clear Lake, located in northern California is the most mercury laden lake. Not
If LDS Liberal were right, then those levels mercury could be measured on the
roof of every building in Salt Lake valley. A blood test would show high levels
of mercury in every person living down wind from those smoke stacks.He has found a "false fact" to show a non-existent correlation between
Kennecott and mercury.
Sensible ScientistRexburg, IDIf it isn't grown, it has to be
mined. Consider that for a moment.Some degree of pollution is the
inevitable price for using these resources. It is being minimized; it cannot be
completely eliminated. The benefits far outweigh the cost.============= Agreed.Businesses are about making the
most profit with the least amount of cost "legally" possible.Like the Oil Industries -- who profit $$$ Billions every year but can't
afford their own oil spills.... Rio Tinto [Kennecott] takes home
after opertaing, labor and all over costs over $7 Billlion a YEAR.They can easily afford to do more to cleanup their own mess.Do I
or anyone else expect Pefection? - NoDo I (we) expect improvments -
Absolutely.And NO, being a good enviromental neighbor is not going
to put them out of business by any means.FYI - Mike Richard:Don't take my word of it - I'm a Liberal and can't be trusted,
If you can trust the Government, even at the state level -- try
looking up; Mercury.Utah.__(no space)__.gov They will explain
how/where it's call coming from so even a High Schooler can understand it.
I see some degrees of 'let the mines do what they want' and some
'shut everything down' positions. Neither extremes are especially
helpful if all resources are channeled to one side or the other. As
Sensible Scientist stated, the resources are a benefit, but I'd like to
stake a new position from that, in that we could stand to have a more
comprehensive view of solutions to the various waste streams that come from the
Kennecott operations, for example. What are the various
technologies and best practices available to the industry? Which are applied
already, and which could be applied at a reasonable cost? But the
numbers must be honestly stated, not skewed to any agenda, or working toward a
good solution for issues becomes much harder. And as a last point,
mercury can indeed be vaporized and airborne.
If it isn't grown, it has to be mined. Consider that for a moment.The resources Kennecott gets out of the ground benefit all of us. We
all use them. They are absolutely necessary for our society and economy to
function.Some degree of pollution is the inevitable price for using
these resources. It is being minimized; it cannot be completely eliminated.
The benefits far outweigh the cost.
Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, Utahre: LDS Liberal,Let's examine the most logical explaination. Air blowing off the lake
will not have mercury in it. Mercury does not evaporate into the air.============== I give up....The SMOKE STACKS! -- long
before it ever goes INTO the lake.Holy Cow -- the mecury and other
by-products blows out of the smoke stacks and into the air -- not
"evaporating from the lake".Talking to your close mind is
re: LDS Liberal,Let's examine the most logical explaination.
Air blowing off the lake will not have mercury in it. Mercury does not
evaporate into the air.How did that mercury get into the lake? How
did the salt get into the lake? Have you ever heard of "Lake
Bonneville"? You know, the lake that was deeper and larger than Lake
Michigan? Is it just possible that the mercury concentrations in Great Salt Lake
is the result of Lake Bonneville shrinking from 22,400 square miles with a depth
of 1,000 feet to 1,700 square miles and a depth of 32 feet.Let's do the math. We'll assume half the depth as the average.
Lake Bonneville had a volume of 59,000,000,000 cubic feet of water. The Great
Salt Lake has a volume of 143,000,000 cubic feet of water. Lake Bonneville had
over 400 times more water than the Great Salt Lake.What happens when
water evaporates? It leaves the minerals behind. Mercury was left behind. Salt
was left behind.Kennecott is not to blame.
Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahHow does the water from Great Salt
Lake get into our bodies?========== Go back to High
School.I never said anything about drinking water from the Great Salt
Lake.LOGIC says, if emitted Mercury can find it's way in the
lake, it most cetainly can find it's way into our drinking water and/or
bodies.It doesn't have to leech into ground water.It can be blown by wind.Ever hear of Down-winders Mike?Same
thing, and the lake lies to the West of the Wastach Front.90% of the
population of Utah is "Down-wind" of it.And it isn't
the mining, but the smelting of all that ore at the point of the mountain.Try being a little bit more open-minded on possibilities, and less
likely to assume All is Well in Zion --- because it isn't.
How does the water from Great Salt Lake get into our bodies?It's been a long time since high school, but I vaguely remember that
evaporated water is not filled with minerals. Perform the experiment for
yourself. Add salt to a dish containing water. Let the water evaporate and
then see how much "salt" is left in the dish. Most of it should still
be in the dish.That tells us that, no matter what LDS Liberal says,
that mercury from the Great Salt Lake, does not contaminate our drinking water
unless that mercury is part of our ground water.We've got a lot
of people living on the Wasatch Front who moved here long after Kennecott
started mining operations. If anyone thinks he has a claim against Kennecott,
let him show that he was here first.Moving into an area where mining
operations are ongoing is not Kennecott's problem.Utah has a
lot of land that is not near a Kennecott operation. If people find Kennecott
offensive, let them move elsewhere. Kennecott was here first.
Clean air and clean water are good things. But I'm generally skeptical of
environmental activist groups. Sometimes they have valid points, but typically
they cherry-pick statistics to try to cause alarm over something that isn't
even true. As a prominent environmentalist said a few years ago, when
addressing his fellow activists, "We have to choose between being honest and
TO THOSE HOW BREATHE, DRINK WATER, AND LIVE ON THE EARTH;If a volunteer
activist knows this information, certainly utah deq technicals know this. why
do they hide this information from the public? how could they, in good
conscience, permit kennecott's expansion?the only conclusion i can
come to is that money talks.kennecott and other monster polluters give big
money to campaign funds. and we all know the governor doesn't hesitate to
interfer with environmental permit processes (see alton coal's contribution
to him and his expediting that permit). legislators, too get money.these
industries have freely dumped their waste into our drinking water and our
breathing air and our soil for too long. it is definitely poisoning the local
community for money. pollution control costs, but those costs are just part of
doing business. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN WASTE, KENNECOTT. STOP
DUMPING IT INTO OUR LUNGS, BODIES, AND LAND.CHALLENGE GOV HERBERT, DEQ,
LEGISLATORS TO PROVE THIS WRONG: YOU CAN BUY ANYTHING IN THIS WORLD WITH MONEY.
Re: ". . . the Great Salt Lake has the highest levels of Mecury on the
PLANET . . . and Utah has the highest levels of Autism in the Nation . . .
Co-incidence?"Note that the explosion in incidence and
prevalence rates for autism is the reason the APA chose to revise its diagnostic
criteria in the latest version of its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual.The APA's research indicates that increased rates are more related
to a desire on the part of clinicians and diagnosticians to make treatment
resources available to families, than to any actual increase in clinical
manifestation.Big Education has also been touting high rates of
"response" to its "treatment" of autism, particularly in
boys.No wonder -- they weren't actually sick in the first
place.In other words, the bloated statistics on autism -- in Utah
and elsewhere -- is an artefact of "compassionate," but disingenuous
diagnosis, NOT a reflection of any actual trend.Although, who knows,
maybe liberals feed their kids Great Salt Lake water. It's hard to imagine
how else they could have ingested it.
Don't forget to look at the levels of Mercury.A report out just
last week showed the Great Salt Lake has the highest levels of Mecury on the
PLANET.And mercury in vaccines has been a target of further
investigations into Autism in children...and Utah has the highest levels
of Autism in the Nation...Co-incidence?Perhaps someone
shuld conduct a study based on that correlation?