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  • SLC gal Salt Lake City, UT
    May 14, 2012 11:37 a.m.

    Now for his real opinion - the one not aimed at getting the "GLBT" vote with election season just months away...

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    May 11, 2012 12:24 p.m.

    To Hoosier87
    American Fork, UT
    OK, three plus years ago, I posted on here that Obama would turn out to be the worst President in American history - can we all now finally agree that has come true?

    --------------------------

    No. There are several who are worse. George Walker Bush is, by a long shot, the worst. Jimmy Carter comes next. Then Harding. Nixon is a mixed case -- great in some ways, terrible in others. To call President Obama the worst is not supported by historic fact.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    May 10, 2012 9:54 p.m.

    I support marriage equality for all US citizens.

    I will vote for the Presidential candidate who supports the principles of equality before the law guaranteed by our Constitution.

    And it looks more and more like that is Obama, not Romney.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    May 10, 2012 5:17 p.m.

    LValfre,

    If you feel threatened by my right to vote, then it should be you leaving the country. That's about 1000 times more logical. It works the same way as the burden of proof. You are the one not liking things as they are, if anyone is morally obligated to leave it is the people who won't follow the law and the constitution our founding fathers ordained.

    Again, the people who want to take away my right to vote and dictate their own constitution should be the ones to leave. That argument can withstand scrutiny from every direction. Denying what is objectively apparent doesn't justify you more, it only makes you more accountable to the truth being denied.

    The whole problem with supporting gay marriage relies on denying the design and function of their own human body and people trying to have a court take my voting rights away are denying the basic principles of freedom that any government needs for peace.

    It's all about denial and rejecting the truth. The truth isn't hateful or depressing- it's a wonderful thing. Family is wonderful. Where being slave to homosexual impulses will produce nothing but misery.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    May 10, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    "Analyzing studies of cultures spanning several thousands of years on several continents, Harvard sociologist Pitirim Sorokin found that virtually all political revolutions that brought about societal collapse were preceded by a sexual revolution in which marriage and family were devalued by the culture's acceptance of homosexuality."

    WRONG. Please expand on that and comment with some proof.

    All great empires and cultures failed, outside of natural disasters, from economic reasons. They push war too far for too long and before you know it they're broke and invaded. Think Rome. Think Germany (both WW's). Think where America's heading.

    The constant push of war, or spreading democracy (modern day Crusades in my opinion), will collapse a society. Homosexuality? It's been happening since the beginning of time and is NO threat.

    If you feel threatened by gay marriage then when its legalized ... leave this country.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 10, 2012 11:49 a.m.

    Re: no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    "What exactly will you anti-gay marriage folks do when gay marriage becomes the law of the land?"

    We will remark that it is a sign of the times foretold by the prophets of old. They also foretold of the consequences and of the cleansing that will occur thereafter.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 10, 2012 10:16 a.m.

    Re: George Bronx, NY
    "thank you for finally getting of the fence President Obama, better late then never."

    What took him so long to come to this stupendous decision? Perhaps he has been afraid to make his opinion on the subject known for one reason or another. Not the mark of a leader.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    May 10, 2012 9:45 a.m.

    spring street,

    First, you should know that the constitution does not actually authorize SCOTUS to use the judicial review doctrine. They have been illegally twisting the constitution since Marbury v Madison. And if you think I'm alone in thinking that, you might want to take a history course from day one until now. Thomas Jefferson called it an oligarchy and the man hit it square on.

    Second, I have MORE than adequately explained over and over on this site how no such right is in the constitution and I have NEVER... no, not even one single time been given an answer as to how gay marriage could still be found to be a right.

    Read on the other "Obama evolves" article going right now and you'll find my argument. The only plausible argument is "equal protection of the laws" which I have more than refuted. The only argument left for gay marriage is to ignore the law as it stands, ignore human nature, and reject all morality in favor of "I can do whatever I want and I'm justified".

    I have news for you. It isn't justified. It isn't even biologically justifiable. It's futile.

  • BrentBot Salt Lake City, UT
    May 10, 2012 6:27 a.m.

    Marriage reflects the natural moral and social law evidenced the world over. As the late British social anthropologist Joseph Daniel Unwin noted in his study of world civilizations, any society that devalued the nuclear family soon lost what he called "expansive energy," which might best be summarized as society's will to make things better for the next generation. In fact, no society that has loosened sexual morality outside of man-woman marriage has survived.

    Analyzing studies of cultures spanning several thousands of years on several continents, Harvard sociologist Pitirim Sorokin found that virtually all political revolutions that brought about societal collapse were preceded by a sexual revolution in which marriage and family were devalued by the culture's acceptance of homosexuality.

    When marriage loses its unique status, women and children most frequently are the direct victims. Giving same-sex relationships or out-of-wedlock heterosexual couples the same special status and benefits as the marital bond would not be the expansion of a right but the destruction of a principle.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    May 9, 2012 8:35 p.m.

    What exactly will you anti-gay marriage folks do when gay marriage becomes the law of the land?
    Should you have neighbors and fellow employees who fits this description, how will you treat them?
    How will you handle this when your child brings a friend home who is a child of gay, legally married parents?
    Can you politely greet this family when they sit next to you in the pew at your Church?
    Perhaps it is wise to think about this, so you can stay calm, and deal with this in a fine, charitable, Christian manner.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    May 9, 2012 5:59 p.m.

    @voice of reason

    we are constitutional democracy which means you do have the right to vote but if your vote violates the constitutional protections then it will not stand. As has also been previously pointed out to you we have many rights not explicitly written into the constitution. The courts acting within their power of review have repeatedly know found that your desire to vote away gay marriage does indeed violate the 14th amendment.

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    May 9, 2012 5:25 p.m.

    Despite what a President may finally decide is politically expedient, what congress may legislate or what courts may rule. Despite what some or even a majority may want to call it, marriage always has been, is, and always will be: The union of a man and a woman as husband and wife.

    While the legal confines can be changed and called marriage under the law, marriage will only ever be between a husband and wife.

    Wife: A woman married to a man

    Husband: A man married to a woman

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2012 5:14 p.m.

    isrred,

    Treated equally?

    We are equal. We equally own our government and can equally vote. We both have just as much of a say as the next person. The moment the LGBT community took this to the courts, they suggested that my vote became second-class and that I would be the one with less rights while you enjoyed a government of your own dictation.

    The United States government is not a "democratic party dictatorship". Until you recognize my right to vote, whether you agree with the outcome or not- then you aren't arguing for equality.

    ---

    And before anyone suggests that I'm voting to take away a right, point to marriage in the constitution. It aint there. And equal protection OF THE LAWS means existing laws apply to all. As long as a gay-marriage ban applies to all citizens, equality before the law is preserved.

    State recognition isn't a human right, otherwise this country would have to endorse every LDS practice as moral- state recognized baptisms for the dead and so on.

    You take away equal votes and this country will fall apart and the people will not maintain peace!

  • Californian#1@94131 San Francisco, CA
    May 9, 2012 5:12 p.m.

    Neither Presidential candidate can be trusted. Neither has really "changed his mind" about anything because changing one's mind requires actually having a position to change from. Both seem to have no idea what it means to believe in principles and will say whatever expediency demands.

    One claimed he supported traditional marriage, refused to take a definite position but kept "evolving," weaseled out of making a clear commitment to either marriage or a radical redefinition of society's basic institution, and is now caving in to political correctness. What a perfect time for polygamy advocates to start pressuring him.

    The other hides his money around the world, can't decide what protection an unborn human being is entitled to, and marched in favor of the draft while neither he nor his kids served in the military.

    The days are gone when multiple Presidential candidates were qualified, capable, and ethical. In recent elections, we've been stuck deciding who is less incompetent, self-serving, and unprincipled. Continued negative campaigning will be no surprise; it's inevitable when candidates have little to offer and have to hope their opponent's faults scare the voters more than their own.

  • George Bronx, NY
    May 9, 2012 4:15 p.m.

    @Liberal Ted
    "It is not right to re-define the definition of marriage from One man and One woman." why not the definition of being between one man and one women is e definition only in the US and one that only dates back about a decade? why is it all of a sudden beyond reproach?

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    May 9, 2012 4:06 p.m.

    @Stephen Kent Ehat

    civil rights are never a "states issue." People do not need to get your permission to not be treated as second class citizens.

  • Lane Myer Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2012 4:05 p.m.

    liberal ted: " Socialism has failed in every society, "

    Please tell that to Norway, Sweden, France, Spain, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, etc.

    All are doing as well as could be expected with a recession.

    France just barely elected another socialist president!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2012 4:02 p.m.

    @Stephen Kent Ehat
    Incidentally Obama himself said it's a state issue which is something he previously said. The only thing changed is... well probably not even his position on gay marriage, just that he's come out of the closet on it.

    @Go Utes
    "An unsurprising move from this wishy washy president. "

    Hah. That's funny because you're probably a Romney supporter.

  • Rainman Syracuse, UT
    May 9, 2012 4:01 p.m.

    You don't change your stated view on something this big 6 months before an election unless you think you'll benefit from it. Obuma must think he's going to gain something from this or he wouldn't have done it now. This shows he'll support whatever to get re-elected. This should not be a shock to any of us.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    May 9, 2012 4:00 p.m.

    The smart political move would have been to wait until after the election. I salute the President for taking such a courageous stand.

  • Phranc SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    May 9, 2012 3:52 p.m.

    Dr King said "the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends towards justice. It bends towards justice, but here is the thing: it does not bend on its own. It bends because each of us in our own ways put our hand on that arc and we bend it in the direction of justice...." thank you for offering your hand to move our country towards a more just society Mr President.

  • aceroinox Farmington, UT
    May 9, 2012 3:51 p.m.

    "Polling suggests the nation is evenly divided on the issue"? Hardly. As another news item today points out, North Carolina is the latest state to pass a marriage amendment supporting traditional marriage making the total 19. Several others are in the works. In nearly every case where the issue is put to a popular vote, marriage amendments or traditional marriage laws win (yes, even in California--twice!). Not exactly what I would call evenly divided.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    I thought that the presidents children are off limits. Yet he seems to bring them into the political arena at every chance he can get. Example BP oil spill, Romney's kids compared to his, the current issues with the LGBT community.

    So does this mean his kids are no longer off limits? Seems foolish to sacrifice your children for political gain.

    This is of course a desperate attempt to fire up his base that has walked away. The fact remains that people do not have jobs, and are hurting finacially. Hope and change has finally come full circle to the hype and fundamental change that was always the focus. Socialism has failed in every society, and has failed obama.

    It is not right to re-define the definition of marriage from One man and One woman to any human being that loves each other. That is not marriage. Never has and never will be. It is not the same, it is different. Call it civil union and attach the rights that others enjoy. But, it can never be marriage. This is a federal issue, that he has pushed back onto the states.

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2012 3:39 p.m.

    Man of principle? Somehow I get the feeling that if the national polls had not shown a slight majority of Americans in support of gay marriage, Obama would still be "undecided" on the issue and his position would need to continue to "evolve" until the polls gave him a more clear indication of which way the wind is blowing.

    An unsurprising move from this wishy washy president. I will give him credit, however, on ordering the Osama raid. That took guts.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    May 9, 2012 3:37 p.m.

    Is this what you call a "flip flop?"

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    May 9, 2012 3:35 p.m.

    Martin Luther King once said "There is little hope for us until we become toughminded enough to break loose from the shackles of prejudice, half-truths, and downright ignorance." Today our president made a stride in the right direction hopefully all people of good conscious will commit to doing the same.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    May 9, 2012 3:33 p.m.

    This does cause a wrinkle for me.... no yet sure where I stand on this. I do understand the whole "evolving" comment.... just why must it be called "marriage". I just guess the term marriage is evolving like the terms honesty and commitment have evolved.

    If Romney just weren't running around telling whoppers (and yes, I do hold him to a higher standard than others, just as I expect more out of any LDS elected official), I might be able to jump to that side easily. But he continues to do so.... and makes it really hard for me to support him.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    May 9, 2012 3:27 p.m.

    Talk about having guts, standing up for what's right, as opposed to what will win you votes.

    Of the states up for grabs in November, many have passed amendments similar to North Carolina's, while only Iowa and New Hampshire have legalized gay marriage.

    In a move that could really damage his re-election changes, good to see one of the candidates in this election stand up for what they think is right, not what their handlers are telling them will appease voters.

    And to the flip-flopping charge, just inaccurate. The President approved of Civil Unions in 2008, just wasn't sure about going all the way to marriage. Not near the same as being completely for the right to choose, and then completely against it when you're looking for conservative votes as Mitt has done.

  • George Bronx, NY
    May 9, 2012 3:26 p.m.

    @alt134
    you are to kind i would have included reagan, Bush and Bish junior in that list since all three drove our economy into the ditch when they where in office. Apparently adding jobs expanding healthcare and ending two wars is a bad thing in the modern conservative movement.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    May 9, 2012 3:25 p.m.

    First - Nice political move Mr. President. Couldn't make up your mind in the first 3 years and now is the time to make this speech. NICE!!! As for (mcbillay and others) who posted, "Finally a President who doesn't see me as a 2nd Class citizen" etc. Please, yes there are some who think being gay is not right. HOWEVER!!!!! Nobody is or ever has called or referred to a gay person as a 2nd class citizen. You cannot say it because it is not true. People do not agree with your actions...YES! The do not refer to you as a 2nd class citizen. If you want to be gay, then go be gay, be the best gay person you can be. But, just like many black people who play the race card. Do not think you are being taken advantage of, you're not!! Be black, be gay, be whatever. I will remain to be white, be straight and do my best to be the best person I can be. Simple as that, if you are black or gay or whatever, I will still hold the door for you. Quit looking for the negative though.

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    May 9, 2012 3:25 p.m.

    Kishkumen are you for real? Ended the recession? More jobs every month? You better go check the facts.

    I believe this one issue will be the most detrimental issue to society. I've heard that sentiment scoffed at but I've heard of some general authority predicting that this would divide our country more than anything else. This announcement gives me a pit in my stomach as I see that prediction coming true.

    I have officially lost another big chunk of respect for Obama. He is facilitating the destruction of our nation. Morals gone to the dogs and the animal kingdom in general. So sad.

  • Stephen Kent Ehat Lindon, UT
    May 9, 2012 3:14 p.m.

    Mr. Obama's change in position on same-sex marriage did not create one job.

    Stating his "personal" opinion does not affect one piece of pending legislation anywhere.

    It still happens to be the fact that President Obama said, "If everyone is family, then no one is family." -- Barack Obama, Dreams from My Father, p. 347.

    The following still happen to be fact:

    Same-sex marriage is recognized in seven states, in D.C., and in only 2 of 564 U.S. Indian tribes.

    Same-sex unions equivalent to marriage are recognized in nine states.

    Same-sex union registry and specific, limited benefits are provided in three states.

    Same-sex marriage is expressly prohibited by state constitutional amendments in thirty states.

    Same-sex civil unions equivalent to marriage are prohibited by state constitutional amendment in nineteen states.

    Same-sex marriage is denied by statute or appellate court decision in forty-one states.

    In the 31 states in which same-sex marriage has been on the ballot, the people have decisively rejected same-sex marriage.

    In the 30 state marriage amendments on ballots, the combined total vote rejecting same-sex marriage is over 63%.

    It's a state issue.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    May 9, 2012 3:00 p.m.

    Gee how predictable. Just before the election and just in time to try and rally his far left zombies. This man has no principles - only a rigid ideology and a willingness to do anything for votes. This isn't going to play well with independent voters which should expand Romney's aleady 10 point lead among independents.

  • George Bronx, NY
    May 9, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    thank you for finally getting of the fence President Obama, better late then never.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2012 2:44 p.m.

    @anyone saying the words flip-flopper.

    You do know what flip-flopping is right? It's when you take a position, reverse it (the flip), and then go back to the original version (the flop). So a lot of things called flip-flopping are not that such as this change on gay marriage or Romney's change on mandates. If it's only one change, it's only a flip.

    @Hoosier87
    "I posted on here that Obama would turn out to be the worst President in American history - can we all now finally agree that has come true?"

    Buchanan and Hoover were way way worse. Obama's gained jobs over 24 consecutive months, gotten us out of the Iraq war, passed a healthcare expansion that will provide access to millions of people. Besides, this gay marriage thing is a good thing.

    @Al
    "no to Gitmo then yes"

    He didn't say yes. Congress just blocked him so he didn't really have a choice. Again, flip-flopping means returning to the original position after flipping.

  • Prodicus Provo, UT
    May 9, 2012 2:42 p.m.

    Prepare to see a lot more 'evolution' once Nov 6 is past if he wins.

  • Provo Boy Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2012 2:40 p.m.

    It's not just Obama whose views are evolving on this issue. It's the entire nation. In 1996, 27% of Americans supported same sex marriage and 65% opposed. Today, over half the country supports same sex marriage. It's an idea that all of you who oppose it will have to get used to. You're going to be on the wrong side of history. Your children and grandchildren will be unable to comprehend how you could ever so vehemently oppose something so normal and fair to them.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 9, 2012 2:30 p.m.

    @ LindonMan: "... the question is whether or not it is able to be legally upheld under the Constitution."

    If what is able to be legally upheld under the Constitution? His opinion?

  • Al Vernal, UT
    May 9, 2012 2:26 p.m.

    I wonder what else President Obama will 'evolve' on this election year.

  • Al Vernal, UT
    May 9, 2012 2:23 p.m.

    Obama; says no to rendition then says yes, no to Gitmo then yes, no to the Patriot Act then yes, no to gay marriage and now...

    Let meet this right, President Obama accuses Mitt Romney of flip-flopping? I guess that accusation won't stick anymore.

  • kishkumen American Fork, UT
    May 9, 2012 2:23 p.m.

    I'm continually impressed with our president's bravery and accomplishments. He got us out of the recession a few months after he became our president. We are now gaining jobs each month rather than losing them as was the case at the end of President Bush's term. His leadership helped us catch Bin Laden. He is ending the war in Iraq. And now, he is pushing for complete equality for all U.S. citizens. I liked President Bush too, but President Obama is amazing.

  • Ridgely Magna, UT
    May 9, 2012 2:21 p.m.

    Now that we have the President's declaration supporting fairness and Marriage Equality for gays and lesbians, I want to hear Candidate Romney justify the five points of the National Organization for Marriage Pledge that he was so quick to sign during the Republican Primaries.
    Especially the requirement that he only appoint anti-gay Judges to the Federal Bench and Supreme Court, and an anti-gay candidate to the position of U. S. Attorney General.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    May 9, 2012 2:17 p.m.

    As to the flip-flopping issue, please note that democrats weren't the ones calling Romney out on his abortion issue, etc. Democrats full-heartedly believe that he has become anti-choice on abortion, and that's precisely why they wouldn't ever vote for him. Our worry isn't that he won't stop pandering and 'evolving' more to the right to please party bosses, it's precisely that he will continue to trend right.

    A main concern with Romney is that he seems to have complete amnesia when it comes to history. He is now claiming credit for the recovery of the auto industry, even though it recovered through exactly the opposite course of action from the one he prescribed.

  • LindonMan Lindon, UT
    May 9, 2012 2:16 p.m.

    Obama is quoted as saying that it is important for him "personally" that gay marriage be allowed. This may be a personal desire of his, but the question is whether or not it is able to be legally upheld under the Constitution.

  • isrred Logan, UT
    May 9, 2012 2:03 p.m.

    It's a great day to finally have a sitting President that believes that I deserve to be treated equally under the law in this country! Obama 2012!

  • Hoosier87 American Fork, UT
    May 9, 2012 1:59 p.m.

    OK, three plus years ago, I posted on here that Obama would turn out to be the worst President in American history - can we all now finally agree that has come true?

    Is there any doubt?

    For Heaven's sake - a convict serving time in a Texas prison got nearly 40% of the vote in the West Virginia Primary last night because DEMOCRATS in that state can't stand Obama.

    Now he feels the need to support gay marriage - a proposition that was voted down in North Carolina just last night. A "swing" state that Obama needs to win for re-election.

    I challenge anyone - tell me why he's not the worst President EVER!

  • UtahCentrist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2012 1:51 p.m.

    It's about time. We have allowed our Gay brothers and sisters to be treated as second class citizens for too long.

    It's way passed time to treat our gay and lesbian neighbors as equally as we treat our straight neighbors.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    May 9, 2012 1:44 p.m.

    Just read about this on another news source.

    Progress, it comes in baby steps.

  • 4Shore Farmington, Utah
    May 9, 2012 1:42 p.m.

    More the reason to get this guy out of office. Vote for Romney!

  • Whos Life RU Living? Ogden, UT
    May 9, 2012 1:42 p.m.

    Wow thought he wouldn't do it. Obama has secured my vote.

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    May 9, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    Flip Flopper!

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    May 9, 2012 1:20 p.m.

    As we head into the final stages of the election, hopefully we will begin to see more clear distinctions between the candidates which will help everyone have a more informed vote. I do respect a person for taking a stance on a topic rather than skirting the issue. We now know what direction Pres. Obama will take on this topic. I would like to have a better idea of what he sees for the fiture direction of the US: a more socialistic society or one more of states rights and individual rights?