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Published: Wednesday, May 9 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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ECR
Burke, VA

Despite the disappiontment of the playoff performance and the "no-show" of a few of the regular bright spots (think Gordon Hayward) I am so proud to be a Jazz fan. I lived in Utah when they arrived and lived through the cellar dwelling years until 1984 when Thurl Bailey showed up (No, it wasn't Adrian Dantley, John Stockton or Karl Malaone that got them started on a winning path, it was Thurl). I have been away from Utah for 24 years but still remain a loyal fan because of all the qualities this editorial mentions. The praise of Greg Popavich after Monday night's game says it all: The Jazz organization - ownership, management, coaching and especially the players - is a "class act". I'm excited for the future of the team and see them only getting better in the coming years. Next season should be more exciting and the team should be able to go deeper into the playoffs. I can't wait.

By the way, San Antonio is in South/Central Texas, not West Texas. Just sayin'.

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

This editorial is completely misguided. There is no reason to take any hope from the fiasco that was the Jazz playoff series this year.

This editorial glosses over the sloppiness and selfish play that led to the utterly embarrassing sweep. This is nothing to feel good about.

When did mediocrity become worthy of praise? When did failure become acceptable? If we fall all over ourselves in commending the Jazz for this level of non-acheivement, we will never get anything more.

SG in SLC
Salt Lake City, UT

In some ways, I think the Jazz right now are roughly equivalent to the 2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder -- not in terms of composition; their composition is significantly different from the Thunder, but more in terms of potential and where they are developmentally.

I think a couple of additional pieces and a couple more years of development will make a world of difference.

ECR
Burke, VA

JCS said, "When did mediocrity become worthy of praise? When did failure become acceptable?"

What is your definition of mediocrity and failure, John? Since the vast majority of the sports world claimed that the Jazz had no chance to make the playoffs wouldn't the fact that they DID make the playoffs a success? Didn't at least one journalist from a major sports publication predict that the Jazz would finish with the worst record in the league? And since there are at least 15 teams with a worse record now that the season ended reason for celebration? Since the Jazz lost there Hall of Fame coach and there all-star point guard isn't incredible that the new coach has found success (a winning record) by doing things his own way with essentially a new team shouldn't we feel good about our team?

Is your glass half full or half empty?

SG in SLC
Salt Lake City, UT

@John Charity Spring

A little perspective might be in order . . .

Do you remember the Jazz teams of the 1980s and 90s? Do you remember how long it took them to get to the Western Conference Finals? How long after that to get to the NBA Finals? Let me remind you . . . the Jazz moved to Utah in 1979, and didn't make the playoffs in Utah until 1984. It took the Jazz eight more years to first make the Western Conference Finals in 1992, and five more years after that to get over the hump and in to the NBA Finals. Along the way, the Jazz got swept once, in the first round, by the Golden State Warriors, and beaten 4-1 several times.

The 2011-12 Jazz are a very young team with a relatively inexperienced head coach, and they were bound to make some mistakes. Did they play "sloppy" at times? Absolutely. Did their lack of effective perimeter defense and execution in the paint cost them games? Sure. But they weren't particularly selfish, except maybe in comparison to the Spurs themselves, who are an experienced, well-oiled machine that don't make many mistakes.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

I agree with this editorial. We have young players, and they're still developing. Favors and Hayward are only going to get better. What do we need?
A three point threat at 2-guard.
A lock-down defensive small forward.
Further development from Burks and Kanter.
But above all, better play at the point. Tony Parker destroyed our two point guards.
But with all that, it was an encouraging developmental season.

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

According to ECR and SG, the Jazz should be praised for being mediocre, rather than completely abominable. That would be true in little league where everyone who shows up gets a participation medal, but not in the world of professional sports.

If the new goal of the Jazz is to simply not be the worst, the team will never win a championship. Failure cannot be tolerated if success is the goal.

The bottom line is this: professional athletes who are paid millions of dollars should be tough enough to accept condemnation when they perform so poorly that they are destroyed and embarrassed in four straight playoff games. LHM must be rolling over in his grave at the realization that the will to win that he fought so hard to instill in this organization is now gone.

SG in SLC
Salt Lake City, UT

JCS,

Sure, we should be disappointed that the Jazz didn't do better, but we should also give credit where credit is due, and we should be realistic.

Apparently, you didn't grasp the underlying point from my previous post, so I will try to make it as clear as I know how: The Jazz' development is going to come INCREMENTALLY; to expect them to become championship contenders overnight is extremely unrealistic.

The Jazz will continue to improve -- their young core of players will continue to develop, and they will add pieces to make the team better overall. Kevin O'Connor has actually done a pretty remarkable job of bringing talent to a small-market team that isn't exactly in the most cosmopolitan city in the league, and I expect that will continue. In the meantime, several star players in the Western Conference will likely retire within the next 3 years or so (e.g., Jason Kidd, Dirk Nowitzki, Manu Ginobili, Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, Grant Hill, and probably others).

Bottom line: while I am not happy with how the Jazz played in the post-season, I'm pretty confident that their future will be bright.

Jazzsmack
Holladay, UT

I remember throughout the 80s and the 90s people saying the same things.

The jazz never won a championship then even after 15 years trying, even without jordon in the league.

it doesn't take 15 years of development.

you are wasting your time developing mediorce players and mid level draft choices.

The fact is you either have the people to win a championship are you don't. (star 2-guard and 3 anyone? if you do have someone that can shoot and create offense forgetaboutit)

no amount of time or development will change that, that was proven in the 90s.

the jazz always play it safe (Kanter?, bryon russell? raul lopez?) too regimented in system and thinking, not willing to make changes (15 years with players that couldn't deliver. playing AK out of position) and never draft the players they really should.

And anyways what star player really wants to be a "jazzy"? how many star players (not over the hill or broken down) chose to play for the jazzy jazz (bell ha! ha!)?

If past is prologue we already know the future. no championsghip, and years of mediorece draft picks and mediocre talent.

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

Re: SG in SLC; I agree the Jazz have the supporting players like OKC. Now all they need is to find two players with talent like Durrant and Westbrook.

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