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Published: Wednesday, May 2 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Of course their housing costs are high. They live in NYC. Average hosing costs elsewhere have no meaning or relevance there. It is a housing market unlike virtually any other.

That is like sampling protesters in the poorest backwaters of America and being surprised their housing costs are low.

Dr. Williams fails again.

travelrus
murray, UT

If anyone believes Walter E. Williams balogna we are in a bigger mess than I thought. He throws out buzz words like Communist, Nazi and Socialism just to strike fear. I'm not a member of the Occupy Movement but many of their concerns are the same as mine and should be yours. I believe everyone should have an equal right to succeed. I believe in fair wages and opportunities for good jobs for all. I believe that quality and affordable health care is a civil right. I believe everyone should pay their fair share of taxes. I believe in a balanced budget but not at the expense of education, infrastructure, the environment and the safety net programs our society relies on.
These are just a few of the issues that the people of the Occupy Movement are standing up for. They are standing up for all of us whether you like it or not.

Nate
Pleasant Grove, UT

@Twin Lights

You haven't really refuted anything Dr. Williams said. In fact, you've helped to make his point.

The Occupy protestors are, on the average, high-income people. They can afford to live in expensive places like New York City.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Walter, Walter, Walter.

Incomes in the low $100k don't put you in the top 1%, (especially in places like NYC). Those in the top 1% report adjusted gross incomes over $343k. At least 33% OWS protestors reported they were unemployed or underemployed. Seventy percent self-identify as Independents.

Really, DN.
Is this the best you can come up with?

a bit of reality
Shawnee Mission, KS

Let me get this straight. The occupy folks are pulling a "rope-a-dope" on the American people, because while they *claim* to be poor people who want the top 1% to pay higher taxes, they are really the top 1% themselves, fighting to increase *their own* taxes. The depravity of liberals is truly boundless.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Nate,

Looking at either Trulia or the Dept. of Numbers, the values and rents Dr. Williams is talking about are at best average and likely below average.

Income is relative (i.e. a high salary in Haiti is demonstrably different than in the US). In most places in the US, the median family income of roughly $50,000 is okay. In NYC it is poverty.

There are plenty of folks in NYC with very average jobs and (for the city) average or even low incomes. Compared with areas outside of NYC, those same incomes might seem great. But not if you have to live in the city.

Simple point. Dr. Williams is using data the way he nearly always does. To trump up an argument that does not hold up to serious analysis.

Are the protesters really well off? Maybe (but I doubt it). My point is that Dr. William's analysis is facile and does not actually advance his point.

He is a political shill. Not an economist.

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

In her famous book, the Age of American Unreasonable, Susan Jacoby points out that the public has ceased all efforts to educate itself, and has become easy prey for propagandists. When even a liberal like Jacoby decries this proliferation of ignorance, we know that society is in real trouble.

Williams is right. The vast hordes who have joined the occupy movement are mere dupes of left-wing, propaganda. Because they want others to provide for their every want and need, the jump at the leftist offer to turn this Country into a European-style atheistic welfare state.

The rich leftists of the east coast are fostering this pursuit of laziness because they know that welfare states are inherently corrupt and they can feed off this corruption to become even richer. This is left-wing hypocrisy at its worst.

one old man
Ogden, UT

As one of the OWS movement, and a 71 year-old retired teacher, I think it's safe to tell people that this article is simply nonsense.

Red
Salt Lake City, UT

What is with people wanting Socialism?

America is (and soon to be WAS) the greatest country in the world because we are FREE.

Now we are throwing it away. America is choosing wickedness. We are flooding the entire world with porn. We glorify sex and violence. We make fun of other countries who are not as "cool" as us.

We need to return to God.

Our Founding Fathers were not anything like the low life socialist wanna bes that have hijacked our country.

It's time for the good people to stand up and tell the socialist to get to steppin'!

dalefarr
South Jordan, Utah

Having participated in some of the Occupy events in Utah, I doubt the participants are part of the 1%. Next, it is always easier to criticize the participants than it is their ideas. If the D-News has a quarrel with the ideas that owners should pay the same tax rates as workers or that it doesn't think that our system favors the rich at the expense of the poor, it should have the courage to say so with its own editorial writers.

Hank Pym
SLC, UT

@ John Charity Spring 8:47 a.m. May 2, 2012

You mean propagandists like Limbaugh, M Malkin, Coulter, G Beck, & Pretty Boy Hannity?

As for Liberals wanting a welfare state; the areas of great technological innovation are in liberal areas... Boston, Nor Cal, & Seattle.

Austin, I understand, is getting more liberal.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Red, may I respectfully ask that you explain to us how OWS is seeking socialism?

Actually, OWS is very much opposed to socialism, unless you are talking about corporate socialism in which the money of the less wealthy is handed to those at the top.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

If you want to worry about "socialism", then how about we start with laws that permit large corporate employers to retain their employees' state income taxes and use it for their business operations? Utah is a state that does this.

Taxpayers are thus subsidizing corporate operations. Instead of funding our schools, law enforcement, fire protection, flood control, roads, etc., our state income taxes are often going directly to the corporations that take advantage of these legislature-provided giveaways. And then our legislatores fall all over themselves when these same corporations threaten to leave our state if we don't give them additional subsidies.

Don't complain about "socialism" until you end the laws that permit privatizing corporate profits while socializing corporate expenses onto the backs of workers.

Dart Thrower
Ogden, UT

Williams errors in taking the one percent label as a rigid label. It is not. The actual target demographic is the top one tenth of one percent or even higher. The poster boy for this group is Willard Mitt Romney. He has made hundreds of millions of dollars by stripping the carcases of weak companies, destroying jobs (expenses) and shifting jobs overseas. He and his ilk are treated with special, low tax brackets. He hides money in Switzerland and the Cayman Islands. He is not a job creator, but a job destroyer. There is no lack of cheap capital in today's world, so having capital is not a qualification for creating jobs. The real job creators are hard working families who spend their last dollar at grocery stores, clothing stores and the gas station. It is demand that fuels our economy, not wealthy capital sponges.

the truth
Holladay, UT

the 1% have 23% of the money,

but pay 38% or more of the taxes!

not paying their fair share? think again.

Everthing the ows and exteme left has said has been a lie.

This has been all about the elite far left, which includes the very rich,trying to take control of this country and impose their agenda and ideology.

and the kids involved in the ows among others are just pawns to be used by them to achieve thier ends.

What is sad is many on the left are blinded by the enticing false messages and refuse to see who are behind the messages.

silo
Sandy, UT

"...the elite far left, which includes the very rich,trying to take control of this country..."

So, Truth, is it really your stance that the very rich left are trying to take control of this country by protesting to raise taxes on themselves?

Perhaps you should stay on script when you post in the future...it will help reduce the chance of creating a paradox in your argument.

1aggie
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

The progressivity of the U.S. federal tax system at the top of the income distribution has declined dramatically since the 1960s. The top 0.01 percent of earners paid over 70 percent of their income in federal taxes in 1960, while they paid only about 35 percent of their income in 2005.

re:Truthseeker, the truth

The average annual income of the top 1% is upwards of $1.6 million.

The "elite far left" appear to be arguing against their own self-interest, ie promoting higher taxes for themselves, while the "elite far right" are fighting to reduce their taxes even further.

The group for which tax rates have fallen the least is the upper middle class: those households earning between about $75,000 and $300,000 a year.

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

As usual Dr. Williams enlightens and the light brings rants from those who read poorly and dislike thinking anything different than their ingrained prejudices.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . you would naturally think of them [OWS protesters] as 99 percenters, but you'd be dead-wrong."

Hear, hear!

As usual, Dr. Williams hss the temerity to point out the emperor's unclad status -- and takes abuse from softheaded social liberals for it.

I, personally, represent more of the 99%, just among my extended family, than do all these malodorous malcontents combined.

The OWS "movement" represents cynical, power-hungry socialists and desperate union bosses. That's it. No one else actually takes them seriously.

Nor should they. This "movement" is more of bowels, than of hearts or minds. More of power politics, than of compassion for the poor. More of ego, than of empathy.

Seronac
Orem, UT

In short, student loans are evil, avoid them like the plague that they are!

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