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Published: Wednesday, May 2 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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PeanutGallery
Salt Lake City, UT

The Eyres are right that gun violence is a serious problem. But they're completely wrong when they push for more gun control. Gun control laws only make it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves. Criminals will ignore those laws (that's why they're called criminals - because they break the law) and get guns anyway.

In their column the Eyres suggest that guns were needed for defense when the Second Amendment was written, but not now, as if our modern society has magically done away with those who want to injure, rob, rape, or kill. News flash: We still have bad guys among us. And one of the best ways to stop or deter their evil acts is for the law-abiding citizenry at large to own (and, yes, even carry) guns. This helps to keep our society more civil.

TOO
Sanpete, UT

You really think banning guns is going to stop violence?

Get real: marijuana is illegal, alcohol and cigarettes to underage people is illegal, pornography to minors is illegal, murder in itself is illegal but ya know what? People get a hold of these things and do them anyways.

These criminals will always find a way. If you outlaw guns that will start more violence trying to get to them. You think criminals are all of a sudden going to say:
"I better not do this, it's illegal."? Such a thought is naive.

I played video games as a child that were violent and guess what? The biggest thing I have ever killed was a rabbit--on the highway in my car. FYI, it ran out in front of me, I didn't hunt it down.

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

Yeah, I've played plenty of violent video games, and I don't hunt or kill anything. I remember shooting a crow in boy scouts and feeling dumb about it. Never shot anything else again. I can't associate video game/TV violence with actions I take in real life. It just isn't the case.

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

The first two comments express the opinion that because some people will refuse to obey gun control laws, we shouldn't have such laws. This is tantamount to saying that because some people will refuse to obey laws prohibiting rape and murder, we should take those laws off the books and simply overlook rape and murder. This is a recipe for disaster.

The legislature believes that the best way to prevent crime is to arm every man, woman, and child in this State. This is so laughable as to be astounding. Anyone with any logic knows that societies with more guns have more violence.

The Eyre's should be commended for taking a stand against violence. Hopefully, more will do so before we devolve into a lawless anarchy plagued by freelance gunslingers.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Target shooting has been part of the Olympic program since the first modern Olympic Games which took place in Athens in 1896. And no, target rifles are not designed to kill.

That issue aside Operation Fast and Furious was an ill conceived Obama Administration operation which resulted in the arming of Mexican drug dealers and the death of at least one US border patrol agent. Unfortunately those individuals who cooked this plan up have taken the Fifth Amendment right to remain silent when questioned by the US House.

Fortunately for us the US Supreme Court has ruled in favor of our individual rights to own and bear firearms.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

The Census Bureau reported 23,000 murders and 83,000 forcible rapes in 2009. To those 106,000 people, the police were not fast enough or near enough to stop the crime. To those 106,000 people, they had no one to protect them except themselves. It is obvious from the statistics that they were not able to protect themselves.

How many of them would have been murdered or raped if they had been trained to kill their attacker?

Yes, I agree that violence in media is not necessary, but I do not agree that taking guns from law abiding citizens is the solution - and neither do the 106,000 people who were murdered or raped in 2009.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

It's not the gun as a machine, it's the gun as an attitude. That's where the problems come in.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

I own guns because having a gun in my hand is much better than having a cop on the phone! If guns cause crime then matches cause arson.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Hutterite American Fork, UT
"It's not the gun as a machine, it's the gun as an attitude. That's where the problems come in."

We can all thank the private citizen with a gun who stopped a knife wielding man as he began stabbing people at a Salt Lake City Smith's store. He obviously had the right "attitude" whatever that is.

Esquire
Springville, UT

All more guns do is put guns in the hands of people who should not have them. And what redeeming value do certain types of guns have in our society? Even accepting the more extreme interpretations of the 2nd Amendment, it doesn't say the type of guns can't be regulated.

In any case, in reality, I would bet that 99.9999% of all gun incidents are due to either people acting in rage against those they know (family and friends), people with mental illness, or people actually putting themselves in harms way. Guns are way overrated, folks.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Esquire Springville, UT
"Guns are way overrated, folks."

Try selling that fable to the Springville man who shot and killed an intruder the police say woke the sleeping couple in their bedroom and demanded they take him to an ATM for cash.

As far as "extreme interpretations of the 2nd Amendment" the US Supreme Court debunked that fable as well.

Flying Finn
Murray, UT

Hutterite writes: It's not the gun as a machine, it's the gun as an attitude.

Those with an unreasonable phobia regarding guns embody them with supernatural powers. Guns lurk in the dark shadows waiting to take the life of unwary passersby. Killing someone while driving drunk is understandable as long as a gun wasn't involved.

VIDAR
Murray, UT

It is unnecessary to own a gun in Utah; it is more likely that the gun will be used in an accidental shooting then to stop crime.
A gun is not the only way to stop a crime from being committed.
Too many gun owners in this state do not secure their weapons.
We have children getting hold of them
Gun owners leaving their weapons on top on their car and driving off.
Toilets being shot, tables being shot.
Children accidentally shot while hunting.
We also have many gun owners that do not seem to me to have commons sense, it seems that they go around dreaming of a chance to use their weapon.
They pull out their guns, rather than call the police to resolve conflicts,
In my opinion the risks of owning a gun outweigh the benefits.
I believe people have the right to own guns, but I also believe gun owners need to be held more responsible when they do not secure the weapon, and when it is used in an accidental shooting.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Look people. We can all find specific cases that justify our point of view.

We need reasonable gun laws.

A 3 day waiting period is not unreasonable.
Limiting your ability to own a machine gun, an RPG a tank or a drone also makes sense.
When a guy in Prove walks around the mall with a rifle, we need gun advocates to chastise him for showing gun ownership in a bad light. And they should do it whether it is legal or not.

And to the anti gun people. Trained, reasonable people discretely carrying guns is a good thing.

I believe that what Hutterite meant when he said "It's not the gun as a machine, it's the gun as an attitude."
is that those who carry a weapon strapped to their leg scare me. They carry and display for the wrong reasons, just like the guy at the mall in Prove.

Others that scare me are those who carry but are not that familiar or trained with their weapon. You know those people. They bought a gun, went to a class and now carry it everywhere.

Esquire
Springville, UT

@ Rifleman, that fits within the miniscule percentage I left open. But for every case like that, there are thousands of deaths by the unwarranted use of guns by family, friends, crazies and stupidity. Weigh them. And as for the Supreme Court, this court is right wing. So will you then accept decisions you don't like, such as Roe v. Wade?

Flying Finn
Murray, UT

VIDAR writes: It is unnecessary to own a gun in Utah

The 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution doesn't deal with whether it is necessary to own and bear firearms. It simply gives us the right. For those who think a cellular phone has some mysterious power to save their life or the life of a loved one they are cordially invited to carry several of them. I feel much safer around a man with a concealed firearm than I do around that drunk driver behind me on the freeway.

PeanutGallery
Salt Lake City, UT

Re: John Charity Spring: You've misunderstood my comment. I'm not claiming because criminals ignore gun control laws, that we should not have laws. I'm saying that because LAW-ABIDING citizens OBEY gun control laws, they find it more difficult to defend themselves against criminals - who will get guns regardless. So gun control laws actually lead to more people getting robbed, raped, or killed, because these laws tilt the scales in favor of the bad guys.

Also, in previous years I've seen your same post that the legislature wants to "arm every man, woman, and child in this state." Your claim is preposterous, and undermines your credibility and the respect I have for many of your posts on other subjects.

Re: Joe Blow: If you think a 3-day waiting period is reasonable, try telling that to a woman who is attacked and knows that her attacker will return the following night.

Re: Esquire: No, actually, the private citizen stopping the knife wielder last week is the type of thing that happens ALL THE TIME (a couple of million times a year), where the presence of a gun stops a crime, usually without a shot being fired.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Several years ago I purchased a sign that says, “We don’t call 911”. There is an image of a gun barrel pointing at the reader standing in front of the sign that I hung on my gate. Under the image of a muzzle of the gun it says, “Smile and wait for the flash”. I have never had a burglary or been the victim of any other crime and not one innocent person has been shot by my guns.

VIDAR
Murray, UT

Flying Finn
Murray, UT

The 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution doesn't deal with whether it is necessary to own and bear firearms. It simply gives us the right

RE: I believe people have the right to own guns also; I just want gun owners held more resposible when the gun is used in an accidental shooting, or if children get hold of it.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Several years ago I purchased a sign that says, “We don’t call 911

I also have hever had someone try to break into my house, and I do not have a sign;
if anything your sign would cause a criminal to come armed if he wanted to break in.
Plenty of innocent people and children are shot becuase gun owners do not secure thier weapons

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Vidar. More children drown in swimming pools than are victims of gun accidents. More children would be alive today if we banned swimming than banning guns.

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