@ Flashback 9:25 a.m. May 4, 2012"Obama is the absolute worst
president in history. Or at least in the top 3"Alright. You made
a claim now prove it.
I'm sick to death of hearing about Mike Crapo. He's not the savior of
the world as far as the finance committee is concerned, and by the way for all
you Freedomworks Bots, he has endorsed Hatch for re-election and finance
comittee chair.By the way Obama won't win in a landslide.
Remember 1980 when Carter was ahead in all of the polls? Obama doesn't
have a prayer. America will wake up, even though the news media are marching in
lockstep with Obama. Just like Carter in 1980. Obama is the absolute worst
president in history. Or at least in the top 3.
Forget the delegates. They should have let the voters select or not select
Bennett in a primary. They should let the voters decide in a primary for Hatch.
They finally got it right. Vote in the primary!
@Mark, independent actuaries presented the legislature with a projection showing
the pension fund being depleted if no changes were made. You can find it on the
legislature's website in the committee reports section. In
order to make up for the lost $6.5 billion the state would have had to added an
additional $400 million to the fund every year for 25 years. That's 10% of
the entire state budget, or the equivalent of not being able to hire 10,000
teachers.Something *had* to be done, and Dan Liljenquist was the
only one with the political courage to do it. And courage to fix our entitlement
debt is the very thing our Congress is lacking at the moment.
Cameron, you claim, "Without the pension reform Dan passed there would be no
pension for teachers at all. The pension fund lost $6.5 billion. Doing nothing
meant bankrupting the entire fund."You are dead wrong.
Here's the rub. The average voter in Utah makes decisions based on news
sound bites and radio ads. The GOOD delegate in Utah makes decisions based on
hours of research, visiting with the candidates, and "getting to know"
the philosophy behind each person. This process is much more
involved than a poll taken over the phone. It is NOT up to the average voter,
because we don't live in a democracy but a Republic. We elect delegates,
and we delegate to them the responsibility for searching out the best candidates
in each and every position. The process occurs because the average voter
doesn't have the time or the desire to do this himself.We are
an uneducated electorate. "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free ...
it expects what never was and never will be." We are today
living in a bread and circuses society. It will take more time and depth than a
poll to decide our fate as a nation. Just accepting the status quo may be
unity, but it may also be stupidity.Want to learn ... Join us this
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We have a choice, do we return a Senator for 36 to 42 years, when he himself
said that 18 years was too long when he was running, or vote for someone new?If I thought Dan Liljenquist couldn't do the job, I would consider
voting for Sen. Hatch, like I did 6 years ago. This time we had at
least 2 challengers that I felt could do a great job and one I felt could do
better. He made it to the primary, despite $6 million spent to stack the caucus
and eliminate all challengers.Watch the debates between the
candidates. They are on Youtube or the first one and voddov for the 2nd one. I
believe almost anyone that does watch will realize Dan is the one to vote
for.In 2011 at least 7 bills, both the house and senate, both
republicans and democrats all voted for the reforms Senator Dan Liljenquist
proposed.For example, his 2011 SB 180 Medicaid Reform bill passed both houses
with no votes against it from either party and was signed by the Governor. He
did it without seniority. He has been recognized nationally for this. Vote for
All party and candidate rhetoric aside, Hatch nearly did win without a primary.
I was at the convention, and it was very close to the 60% mentioned. The Senator
is faring much better to date than Former Senator Bennett did.
To vote for Hatch simply because Mitt said so would have Washington, Madison,
and Jefferson rolling over in their graves. Do your own homework, make up your
own mind. Look at the records of the candidates. That is what American democracy
is all about.@Winglish: Without the pension reform Dan passed there
would be no pension for teachers at all. The pension fund lost $6.5 billion.
Doing nothing meant bankrupting the entire fund. So something had to be done.
Simply adding more money to the fund to make up for the losses meant taking 10%
of the entire state budget for 25 years. That amounts to the salaries of 10,000
teachers. Public education in the state of Utah should be thanking their lucky
stars we had a politician with the brains and the courage to tackle an issue as
large and politically difficult as pension reform. Because without it,
there'd be no pension at all.
Dan Liljenquist did more to harm the quality of public education in Utah in one
fell swoop than Howard Stephenson has done in a lifetime. Mr. Liljenquist wrote
the bill that took away the defined benefit system from public educators. He
took away the one nut that schools had left to use to recruit strong young
talent: a good retirement package. The best young talent is avoiding the
teaching profession in droves. Question, Utahns- If we want to
improve education in Utah, don't we need the ability to recruit high
quality job candidates? Dan Liljenquist took that option away. Is this who we
want representing the state of Utah?
Anyone who is interested in having some solid and conservative structure in
standards, morals, and in state sovereignty will be voting for Mitt Romney. I
support Orrin Hatch for many reasons beyond Mitt Romney's endorsement.
However, that is a big piece of the puzzle for me. Simply wanting a
new person in the Senate, claiming that Dan Liljenquist has a better chance of
changing the Senate, or trying to blame the budget on Orrin Hatch is not enough.
This point is moot. Republicans have messed up so badly in the primaries that
Obama will win by a landslide. The GOP is fatally fractured & dysfunctional.
Until they actually realize that, they will continue to erode.
If you ever needed evidence that most Utahns think we live in a theocracy, this
letter is it. Neither candidate have ever shown any love for any of us except
for the first Tues of November then it's back to the shenanigans.
Ah yes - The United GOParty of America.Kind of shows your
priorities.....telling, isn't it.
I agree with this letter 'United GOP.' If Orrin Hatch would have been
elected, he could have put all of his time and effort into getting Mitt Romney
elected. What is more important - electing Dan Liljenquist, or getting Mitt
Romney in office? It appears to me that some Dan Liljenquist supporters have
given up on Mitt Romney. There is a VERY good chance that Mitt
Romney will be elected. A federal gov. controlled and very liberal America
needs to stop. It is much more important that Mitt Romney gets reelected, and
that we trust that Mitt Romney knows what he is doing when he endorses Orrin
Hatch - than to elect Dan Liljenquist. Let Dan serve in six years - he'll
be great. For now, he is not the one who will inspire change in the senate.
Two words: Scott Howell.
Yes, party first, country second, people last.That explains the
Republican's legislative war on women and minorities...
Is party unity the best excuse not to turf hatch?
Interesting letter but can't say I agree with any part of it. It seems we
just can't make everyone happy. First, people are angry at the caucus
system because they can't vote straight up for the Republican nominee. Now
we have this guy wishing the delegates would just rubber stamp Hatch and avoid a
primary. Sheesh! Maybe we should just avoid voting all together and use polling?
Who ever is ahead in the polls at a certain date gets the nod. Romney endorsed
Hatch because that is what candidates do - they endorse the sitting incumbent!
Plus I'm sure they know each other personally. NO ONE (at least publicly)
is going to endorse a challenger, especially a challenger with marginal chances
of winning. I'm amazed this concept isn't obvious on its face and
actually has to be explained to people. In other words, the endorsement means
nothing If Liljenquist wins, Romney would be delighted - perhaps more delighted
than having to work with a Senator that has been in power since Gerald Ford.
Hatch should have bowed out gracefully one, two, three terms ago.
@Fitness Freak"Why NOT try someone new. Give someone else a
chance to serve."Like Scott Howell?
Mitt Robme says he needs Hatch in the senate. Obama doesnt need Hatch, So,, Vote
"Do the delegates not have a responsibility to follow the will of the
people?"No, that's why they're called delegates. The
average caucus voter has "delegated" to another person the
responsibility of researching and voting upon the best candidate. If they have
already done that before the caucus meeting, then the attendees can ask them
whom they support and vote according to their answer. That's their
prerogative. However, you also have to allow for the fact that Utah does not
behave as a uniform, homogenous whole. There are pockets of Hatch support and
there are pockets of support for a primary challenger. Who are you to decide
the will of the people in Escalante, Moab, Heber, Moroni, Randolph, Brigham, or
Provo? In the words of Tip O'Neil, "All politics is local".
Hatch is as much a part of the problem in D.C. as anyone. Why should we expect
anything different in Washington if we keep sending the same ones back?Why NOT try someone new. Give someone else a chance to serve.
Hatch and Liljenquist need to hold a SERIES of debates, not just one. The Utah
voters deserve no less. If Sen. Hatch is unwilling to do this, that's a
good reason to vote against him.
The statewide polls showing 60% support were well within the margin of error,
just as the delegate polls were. So there really wasn't any dismissal of
the "will of the people".Of note to me though, was that
Hatch did an exceptional job of stacking the caucus with his supporters.
Something like 80% of delegates were first timers, and a majority initially
leaned towards Hatch. But something funny happened on the way to convention. The
more these delegates heard Hatch and Liljenquist speak, the more time they spent
asking questions and looking at records, the more they switched to leaning
towards Dan.I encourage every Utah Republican to do the same.
I'm hopeful Senator Hatch will agree to do a debate here in Utah with Dan
so all of us can see them head to head and make up our own minds. I'm
confident that if we do this, Dan Liljenquist will be our next Senator.
The duties of a delegate require the delegate to research the candidates. That
research includes checking the voting record of the candidate and checking
whether the candidate kept his campaign promises.Any delegate who
checked Senator Hatch's voting record would have found several red flags -
serious red flags - where Senator Hatch voted against our liberties. No
delegate could have voted for Mr. Hatch knowing of those votes.Comparing campaign promises to performance would have also kept them from
voting for Mr. Hatch. Mr. Hatch has promised us that he would make a difference
in Washington. Well, has he? Hatch has mislead us into thinking
that without him Hill Air Force Base would close. Does he think that he will
influence the BRAC Commission? BRAC was established so that Senators would NOT
be able to put pressure on the Military when bases were evaluated.Those delegates who voted for Mr. Hatch did not do their duty to
'vet' him. Hatch has put his personal desires far above the needs of
If Dan Liljenquist cares about the GOP he will run against Hatch and offer US
the people alternatives that we need rather than the same song and dance Hatch
offers. Most likely Romney will not beat Obama, so he won't be needing
On the contrary, I think Sen. Hatch should see the handwriting on the wall and
gracefully bow out. This is the first time he's been pushed into a
primary. He has done good things in the past, but he's also strayed from
conservatism and voted to expand the size, reach, and cost of government.
It's time for him to step down. Dan Liljenquist is a smart, capable,
energetic, experienced replacement, with the right principles.Yes,
Romney has said he needs Hatch in the Senate, but he said it a while back, when
it appeared that liberal Republican Olympia Snowe would become Senate Finance
chair. That's no longer true. If Hatch is not there, Idaho senator Mike
Crapo will be chair, and he's more conservative than Hatch (and Crapo
didn't vote for TARP either). Utah will be better off with Liljenquist in