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Published: Monday, April 30 2012 12:50 p.m. MDT

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Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

It would be nice if they had a guide that wasn't tainted with bias.

williary
Kearns, UT

I wish comparisons like this were required viewing before everyone voted. It's amazing where people really stand when they learn what their candidate really stands for.

And can someone get a copy of this list to Mitt ASAP? I know by the time it's in his hands, he'll have changed his position on half the items again, but this might be a good way for him to understand what he stands for, or did stand for, or perhaps still stands for, or doesn't stand for anymore.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

Of course williary likes it. It's designed to make Obama's accomplishments seem significant and his failures out of his control (Bush's fault), while it mocks Romney's stances on many issues. That's what I mean by having a voter guide untainted with bias. This doesn't truly reflect the issues. It's almost a "Why you should vote for Obama" guide, courtesy of the media (go figure).

A1994
Centerville, UT

I love Obama's new campaign slogan: "Forward!" To where? More deficit spending? More 8% unemployment. More tax policy based on Obama's definition of fairness, rather than based on paying for the government?

I'd just like someone to explain how the next four years are going to be better than the past four. Will it still be Bush's fault if the economy isn't on track in 2016? What, specifically, is Obama going to do to get things moving? Or is this the new normal?

williary
Kearns, UT

@Riverton Cougar

Of course it sounds like mocking when anyone actually sits down and lays out the monumental swings on important positions that Mitt has had the last decade.

Which of these accomplishments is more significant:

Pulling the country out of a Depression

or

Running on your business smarts and economic ability while you led Massachusettes to the 47th strongest job growth state during your time as Governor

PS, it was Bush's fault for the Depression. Stone cold fact.

I M LDS 2
Provo, UT

When it is set out like this, my vote has to go to Obama.

A1994
Centerville, UT

@williary

"it was Bush's fault for the Depression. Stone cold fact."

No, it was the collapse of the housing market. Both parties share blame in that.

Mick
Murray, Utah

Williary-

Stone cold fact; We were never in a depression.

Stone cold fact; 4 years of trillion dollar defeceits.

Stone cold fact; Obama care will be found unconstitutional.

Stone cold fact; Fast and furious.

Stone cold fact; SOLYNDRA.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

Stone cold fact: Cold Stone is delicious. (couldn't resist)

@Mick
Solyndra is so minor in the scheme of things. Goodness, do you go after Bain because a company Romney took over failed? By the way Romney wants to cut taxes by 20% and raise defense spending, how do you think he's going to balance the budget or get anywhere close? (There's a reason he doesn't show his math on it and even this guide shows his cuts are vaguely defined).

@williary
That 47th ranking is kinda relative. Consider this, Massachusetts has one of the lowest rates of population growth in the nation. So the need for jobs is slower than a state like Utah with the highest birth rate (and as Huntsman noted #1 in job creation). So it'd be useful to have these numbers in context. For instance, if Romney inherited a low unemployment rate it probably wasn't going to drop much (I don't know what it was when he got in or left and how that compares to national average during that span).

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Mick, you are being silly here. If Solyndra is so shocking to you, you had better review the fact that over 30 percent of the companies Romney backed, failed. If Obama's one investment disqualifies him, well then please apply the same standard to Mit.

I do agree that placing the blame solelly on Bush is wrong. It was decades of bad policy that resulted in the collapse. And to be really clear, the housing market didn't come to its knees because demand for housing went away, rather, it was the collapse in lending that killed the housing market. A deeply unregulated financial industry created a home loan pyramid scheme that ultimately failed, knocking all consumer lending out of control. It was the lack of enforced regulation that was the catalyst. Bush was just the unfortunate chap to have the first domino fall during his Presidency.

Also blaming Obama for spending the money to save the economy is a bit far fetched as well. Even a tea party republican would not have been able to sit idly by and fiddle as the financial markets burned. What was done was because of need, not desire.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

I do want to say I am not just an "Obama Puppet". Yes, I am leaning toward him in re-election, but there is a long time between now and November, and I am willing to be open minded.

What I don't like is either side casting their "opponent" in absurd terms. Obama is no more all evil than Romney is all Saint. Both have issues that I struggle with. When Romney ran in 2008, I was excited about the possibility of a fellow LDS person hold the highest office in the land. I also appreciated his moderated views - I thought it showed he actually had his own mind and was not just a shell for a party. But then he twisted and turned, flipped and flopped, and it started to look like he was just bending to appease what was popular.

Obama, I think does strike a balance. He is hardly anti-military or guns, like many want to believe. He hasn't been week on Terrorism as promised by our former VP. He hasn't driven the dollar to being worthless, nor has gold gone to 4,000 as promised by Beck. Obama perfect though - hardly.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

If someone thinks this article is biased in favor of Obama, I would suggest that it is only because reality has a liberal bias. The article seems to do a good job of holding both candidates accountable for not just present but past positions on issues. It also holds the President accountable for his actiions even if that includes 8% unemployment within the confines of an economy that ceased to be in a recession six months after his inaguration, and has posititve growth since.

I've said it many times before and will continue to say it reality is not Mitts friend. Just yesterday his campaign tried to take credit for the saving of general motors (Mitts plan managed bankruptcy without government money..impossible). Then Mitt later in the day said flipptanly that of course he would have given the order to get Bin Laden..forgetting he specifically said Obama was wrong in considering action inside Pakhistan without notifying Pakhistan first.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

tweedle dee and tweedle dum! Is there any person out here in la la land that believes that either political party represents the values of constitutional government and a God fearing citizenry?

RAB
Bountiful, UT

I read about 3 of the issues and could not force myself to read any more. I don't know why anyone publishes such slanted liberal propaganda like this. Conservatives see right through it and harden their resolve to fight it. Liberals just blissfuly feed off it. It changes no one'sind.

Furry1993
Clearfield, UT

That is an interesting, and very accurate, assessment of the positions of both candidates. It sets forth both strengths and lackings, successes and failures, and is neither biased nor propaganda for either side.

I know that proponents on both sides of the election would like to see their candidate shown as being on the side of the angels and the opponent shown as being akin to Beelzebub, but that is neither real nor realistic.

Whoever prepared this assessment did an excellent job.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Romney supporters who receive most of their news from spin-meisters have a hard time dealing with facts when laid out in plain english before them, and seem to, when cornered by the truth, resort to attacking the messenger as being liberally bias. One thing this newspaper isn't is "Liberally Bias."

When I used to listen to one of the spinmeisters, they would alway hang up or shout down someone with the facts as having it backward or liberal liars, but never address the facts, this is one of the reasons I couldn't listen, I was interested in the truth, and it was avoided more than confronted.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "pragmatistferlife" the article has a liberal bias because the writer has a liberal bias. Life does not have a liberal bias, if anything, liberalism is a learned ideology.

Just ask any kid if they will do some hard work so that another able bodied kid can just sit around and play.

Also FYI, after receiving government money GM did go through a managed bankruptcy.

To "A1994" Obama's new theme is more interesting when you look at the history of using the word "Forward" as part of a political movement. Karl Marx, Engels and Mikhail Bakunin created a commuist magazine titled "Forward". In NAZI Germany they had a march for the Hitler Youth titled "Forward, Forward". Vladimir Lenin had a publication titled "Forward". The socialists in Germany have a newspaper titled "Forward" which has had such notable writers as Friedrich Engels and Leon Trotsky contributing to it.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Red Shirt..once again..I said Mitts plan was for a managed bankruptcy without government money..meaning a managed bankruptcy with private money..that was impossible. A managed bankruptcy takes someones money.

Also I said reality not life has a liberal bias. That's why America has become more liberal (SS, medicare, civil rights, welfare saftey net work)over time. It has to there is no other choice if it wants to exsist and flourish.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut
…, if anything, liberalism is a learned ideology.

To "A1994" Obama's new theme is more interesting when you look at the history of using the word "Forward" as part of a political movement. Karl Marx, Engels and Mikhail Bakunin created a commuist magazine titled "Forward".

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Yes – I suppose Liberalism is a learned ideology.
Jesus taught it.
As opposed to the Dog-eat-dot, Law of the Jungle world Conservatives cling to.

And you associate Karl Marx, Communism and the Nazis to the word “Forward” as being evil?
Where did you hear that? Don’t tell me – Glenn Beck.
Therefore; Eternal Progression, this great cause moving forward, ...do and overcome all things as we press forward on our journey of mortality…. As you move forward in patience and in faith, ...and the fortitude that enable us to press forward with cheerfulness through physical limitations and spiritual...
Forward Pressing Forward….etc.

Forward is not evil RedShirt…..how absurd.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "LDS Liberal" unfortunately liberalism was not taught by Jesus. Liberalism is what Caeser practiced.

Read "Luke 12:13-15
13 And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me.

14 And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?

15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man’s life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth."

You can go to the Gateway Pundant and watch the Nazi "Forward" march, complete with subtitls.

If Jesus was a modern liberal, he would have divided the inheritance.

Actually you can get teh information from the Washington Times article "New Obama slogan has long ties to Marxism, socialism". The BBC also did an article on Mao, where they explain that he called his movement "Great Leap Forward".

Don't you find it ironic that Obama is using the same or a similar slogan that some of the greatest murderers used in their political campaigns? By agreeing with it as a campaign slogan, aren't you agreeing with evil tyrants?

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