Rifle -- Actually most of us are not camping out. Most of us have jobs or are
retired. Most of us are clean with a shower every day. (And, by the way, a
little grammar lesson here: check out the difference between the words
"bath" and "bathe" and then see if you can learn to use them
properly.)The thing that unites all of us the our disgust with the
sleaze that has overtaken our public officials, bankers, investors,
corporations, and other powerful entities that now control and diminish so much
of the lives of common Americans.You might be surprised if you would
turn your radio off and get away from your keyboard for a while to come down to
meet and talk with us.
Re: George Bronx, NY"I know several people that live here in NY and
have gone down to wall street to join in protesting and every single one of them
works full-time."Yeah right!! Who would employ someone who
lives in a tent, doesn't bath, uses the street for a latrine, and
hasn't had a haircut in months?
I have looked up the occupy protests on google. It says one thing and everyone
that is interveiwed on the news has a different agenda. I am just confused, do
they want everyone else to provide for them? Do they want jobs that pay better,
less rich people, less business, better healthcare, less hospitals, legal
marijuana, government child support, less people, cleaner enviroment, more
police, less police, more government, less government, no government? I have
heard all these things.
@counter intelligence less then three minutes on a google search and I was
able to find their message and their purpose maybe there is a reason you have
not bothered to look, maybe you are once again showing your true colors. After
complaining about how uncivil people are attacking you all the time you once
again turn around and do the same thing. look them up address their positions.
stop with the petty attacks.
Re: Mike123 Layton, UT"Let me rephrase, our society, at the very
least, make it very difficult for everyone to succeed, especially certain
groups"It was never the intention of our Founding Fathers,
society in general, or the US Constitution specifically to make sure that
everybody succeeds. That is the personal responsibility of each and every
citizen in our society. If someone is disabled or has some other handicap we
want to help.Certainly people don't have the right to demand
that the rich support them. Let the healthy who have the time to protest carry
their own load and the load of their neighbor.
don't these clueless kids have summer jobs??? Maybe they ought to do
'occupy White House' since their fearless leader is the one with all
the shovel ready jobs.
-Let me rephrase, our society, at the very least, make it very difficult for
everyone to succeed, especially certain groups. Also, how do we define success?
I don't think working hard flipping hamburgers allows success at the going
minimum wage. For many, work does not work.-I know people often make poor
decisions, but it is much more effective lending them a hand (improving their
situation) then to judge and get after them.-Because, as a society, we are
not generous enough to help others, the government has no choice but to tax in
order to provide programs that improve the situations of the less-fortunate.-Again, the wealthy and powerful own the game, they have taken advantage of
the majority of society, we are not trying to take from others but simply trying
to bring fairness to the rules of the game (see my prior post).
Re: Mike123 Layton, UT"Many people fail, despite their hard work,
because our society does not allow everyone to succeed"Our
society does not prevent anyone from succeeding. We allow individuals to take
personal responsibility, and the associated consequences, for their actions.
There is nothing "Christ-like" about forcing those who have to give unto
them who want what they haven't earned.
@Brave Sir Robin and most everyone elseMany people fail, despite their
hard work, because our society does not allow everyone to succeed. Therefore,
structural changes toward a “functional society” are necessary so
that everyone can succeed. You argue that individual choices cause their
depressed condition, I agree that is a factor, but both scholars and religious
principles teach the best way to influence other’s choices is by improving
their situations. Here are a few suggestions: Reinstate pre 1980s
bank and financial sector regulations, reinstate the Glass-Steagall Act, reverse
the court ruling that corporations are people, stop heavy corporate funding to
political campaigns, not allow corporate leaders to hold top governmental
positions, remove wealthy tax cuts and evasions, remove corporate welfare, limit
the rising tuition costs, increase minimum wage alongside inflation, limit the
aspects of “free trade” that globalize jobs, and stop the negligence
of government and financial institutions upon poor communities
through—community development, affordable housing, health care, and
transportation, effective schools, and employment opportunities. Government must re-evaluate the many other policies that allow the wealthiest
to become richer while the remainder of society struggle.
Re: one old man Ogden, UT"From each according to his ability, to
each according to his need." - Karl MarxPeople who have time to
protest have the time to flip burgers. Taxpayers and those who have worked hard
for what they have saved in the bank don't owe these protesters a free ride
What they're doing is eqivalent to standing in front a stove, and saying
you give me heat, and I'll give you wood. It would be easier to take them
seriously if ANY Of them actually knew what they were talking about. Seriously,
they all have their own agendas, NONE of which are cohesive.
You could add any shooting guard in the league, as well as any decent outside
shooter. The reason is not a coincidence - the Jazz can't guard the
perimeter. Actually, the Jazz couldn't guard a dog food dish to keep mice
@Mike123Explain to me how the actions of OWS are doing anything to
create a "functional society"? Functional society depends on the masses
pursuing education and doing hard work - there is nothing educational or
hard-working about what's happening at OWS protests, and yes, I have stood
in Zucotti Park with them.This type of behavior (shouting loudly for
the educated/hard working to be torn down) is the kind of thing you see on a
daily basis in the 3rd-world countries of Central America - hardly the model of
Yawn . . . .
I am a hardworking middle class family man, and I will be marching tomorrow. I
have compassion on the poor, and instead of pointing the finger at them, I
realize the Christ-like thing is to help them with their situation. Occupy is
not trying to create an entitlement society, they are trying to create a
functional society. The rich and powerful, typically both corporations and
government leaders, expand their wealth and power at the expense of others (the
poor often being hit the hardest). We will protest because our democracy no
longer represents the majority of society. You call occupy members social
outcasts; decide now to stop belittling and instead reach out a hand, march with
us tomorrow for a better society.
@country mom why do you erroneously assume that the occupy wall street
people do not work? I know several people that live here in NY and have gone
down to wall street to join in protesting and every single one of them works
full-time. its easier to try to paint the protesters with a wide and inaccurate
brush but it does nothing to address their actual reasons for being there. maybe
you should take a little time to find out what the actual concerns are rather
then build straw men to knock down.
I know handicapped people that work. I know college students that work full time
while they take classes. I volunteered for an organization just to get my foot
in the door and worked two part time jobs to pay my bills. These people are full
of enough ambition to occupy and protest but, they want wealth and jobs to be
handed to them. There is no shame in minimum wage, it is somewhere to start.
Most of those of us who have lived a full life started as starving students and
worked our way up. Newly Weds with no furniture, in a one room appartment eating
Macaroni and cheese and peanutbutter sandwiches. I just do not understand these
people wasting their time protesting others wealth. If there is anything
preventing the growth of our nation and the availability of well paying jobs, it
is an over regulating over reaching government.
Farrah and Mom, you need to take a field trip to meet some of these people. You
might learn something and it could surprise you.
I wish they would think a little. The world would be so much better if everyone
simply used their brains.
Whose fault is it really that they don't have jobs? Whose fault is it that
they don't have any wealth?
So are these losers EVER going to get a job?