a few points to consider:the best draft pick the jazz would have got
by not making the POs(losing against pheonix) is in the teens, not likely to get
a huge impact player there, and the GS pick was out of their hands. KOC said
there are other ways to get picks if the jazz see something they like (look at
SA last year getting the 15th pick Kawhi Leonard by trading it for George Hill).
That is how to get it done, not breeding a culture of losing like GS.David H.'s case for memo was answered by himself. he did get hurt, which
made it another brilliant move by KOC. Save 10 mill. for nothing and use the
trade exception for a trade.The math test comparison is just plain
silly. You have to crawl before you can walk, and the jazz are walking faster
than anyone expected.
As much as everyone liked Memo he was done.. He played sparingly for the Nets
and was waived by the Blazers when he was traded there. The value of the Trade
Exemption is still there..
I love this year's Jazz team. I don't think there's a BUM amongst
them. That being said, there are only two guys whom I hope do not return to the
Jazz.Care to guess who they are?
I agree on bringing same people back and trying to add a piece. I was/am unhappy
about letting AK and Fesenko go. I think they knew Memo was done for.They can beat the Spurs it will take a big effort on everybodies part and
Corbin has to keep fresh people on the floor.
Brave Sir Robin and maninthemiddleWhy play the game if you
don't want to win?
So for Brave Sir Robin, maninthemiddle and all of those other negativists out
there, are you saying Favor and Hayward aren't good enough to be all-stars?
teams would kill for our young guys but of course only tanking you make fans
like you happy. we don't need you. go cheer for tanking teams like the
bobcats or the warriors. They will let you know how successful they have been at
tanking for the last 7 years. Brave Sir Robin you would rather see
your kid get an F than a C? that makes no sense. maninthemiddle So
the jazz are short sighted for not tanking? So your telling me that the Warriors
and Bobcats are closer to a championship than the jazz because they are tanking?
Brave Sir Robin: When I taught fourth grade if I had an "F"
student in math and that student tried and succeeded in bringing math scores up
to grade average I would be very complimentary towards the efforts of both the
teacher and the student. Ive been paying attention to this years substitutions
by Corbin and the staff and I am really impressed with the charisma with our
head coach and the team. His substitutions have kept us close in quite a few
games that were only now just losses.
re: David HWe all loved Memo. He is tall but never played much like
a real big man. The other reality is that his body is breaking down and his
back is now chronic. The Achilles injury could have ended his career but his
near non-existent vertical jump will now be even worse. We have a BIG trade
exception and it will provide value. We were getting nothing from Memo in his
condition. O Conner was smart.re:Brave Sir RobinAre you
really that clueless about the NBA and how teams win? Comparing it to an
individuals math test? We have loads of young talent. It took Stockton and
Malone 4 Conference Championships before those two greats got to the Finals.
Expecting playoffs from this group was a huge accomplisment in a tough
conference.Tanking for the draft vs the experience our young guys
will gain against the Spurs is a no-brainer. Your players never learn how to
play in the playoffs until they play in them and the Spurs will give them a
taste of how far they have to go to be good enough. Invaluable.Drafts are risky and take years to pan out.
The Jazz are in the playoffs. They worked hard to get there. Most fans are happy
with the 8th spot even if the Jazz are eliminated in the first round. However,
it's worth considering the cost. If fans are asked if they wanted the Jazz
to make the playoffs most would say yes. However, if the fans were
asked if they would give up Alec Burks for the 8th spot in a one and done
series, they might think differently. I hear fans say that low draft choice
don't pan out, that a 14th choice is a low choice, or that a pick at 14th
won't help the team advance in the playoffs. Opinions are fine, facts
really are better. The Jazz have had very few picks in the 14th range. When they
have, they have gotten Burks, Stockton, Malone, Dell Curry, Ronnie Brewer and
Danny Schayes. None of those guys is a chump. I didn't cherry pick the
draft choices. Do I think the Jazz should have tanked. No! It's
unethical and not good long term thinking. Making the playoffs in the 8th spot
cost one Alec Burks type player.
The Jazz had some luck along the way. Injuries to CJ Miles and Earl Watson
actually helped the team because they forced Corbin to play players who, in my
opinion, are better players and better fits for the Jazz (Tinsley and Carroll).
On the other hand, I think the injury to Howard hurt because he's a guy
that plays decent defense and can get you some points.
Brave Sir Robin:I don't think you can compare the
'success' on a math test to a basketball game. On a test you are not
competing against anybody but yourself. Nothing anyone else does will alter your
score while you are taking a test (unless of course you are cheating).
Basketball has so many variables: injuries, back-to-back-to-back, other
teams' rosters, etc. You have to account for the other teams'
'all-stars' and what not.So yeah, compared to
everyone's expectations at the beginning of the year, the Jazz have has
success even though it is not at the same level it was 10 years ago, but you
have to remember that Stockton and Malone had been playing together for over 10
years by that time. For 80% of this team, it is their first year together.
Should have gone to the draft. The only way the Jazz can get an all star is via
the draft (no all star free agent is coming to UT, face it). Short sighted to
go to the playoffs this year - it shows a complete lack of understanding of how
far away from a championship you are.
What success? The Jazz finished 15th overall in a 30-team league. I don't
call that success - I call that average. What O'Connor is essentially
saying is that it's success because we expected to be much worse. If my
kid came home from school and said "well, I got a C in math but it's OK
because I expected an F", I'm not going to congratulate him for that.
So why are we congratulating the Jazz?I guess this is the new
reality of the Jazz franchise under Greg Miller's leadership.The Utah Jazz: Increasing success by lowering expectations.
Nice article. One thing that jumped out at me is Kevin's comment about
never having enough big guys. If he believes that, then why did he trade Memo? I
realize it turned out that Memo's back got hurt again and he didn't
play a lot this shortened season, but no one knew that at the time of the trade.
On paper, he was ready to have a wonderful year. He's 6'11". To
date, the Jazz still have received nothing for him in return. When the Jazz do
get someone for Memo, I doubt he will be as tall or as good as Memo.