These kids get recruited by coaches. Parents and the student athlete decide
based on agreements with the coaches. Hawaii made the change. This young man or
any other should have a no penalty opportunity to transfer if the coach that
recruited them or they identify with is given the heave ho by a school. The
kids are being forced to play for someone that they don't like? Why? The
coaches take off for more money, sun, fame or other stupid reasons but the kids
can't change? Hawaii is bitter here just like all schools have gone though
I am sure. Coach Chow is a really good coach but on this issue I disagree with
his decision. I do wish him well this year. 11 wins would be a good start for
him. As long as that one loss is BYU.
Goll its so unfair. He will be awesome and make an high effort of consistant
Coaches don't have to wait when they transfer to other schools, why should
players? Can players block coaches from moving? I don't think so.
I have one word for Wadsworth and his family: sue.It's time to
end this kind of tyranny. I can understand having an athlete sit out and lose a
year of eligibility when he transfers in order to protect athletes and schools
from constant recruiting. But to pull this with a guy who has already,
voluntarily, been out of school for two years? I don't care who he is or
for what reason he sat out. This is wrong.If he really wants to
play football, I think he should go to Snow or another JC for a year, then
transfer to BYU. Chow will have zero say if he does that.
If you ask anyone from the islands about Norm Chow they will more than likely
share a story about someone they know who was misled or intentionally lied to by
"The lie'in Hawaiian." That's what he was known as out there.
I know from first-hand accounts of players that he coached that he tried to
talk players out of serving missions. Now blocking a player from transferring
that he's never even met with, or talked to? Bottom line, Chow is always
going to do what is best for Chow, which doesn't make him a bad person,
just a college coach that wears out his welcome wherever he goes.
Yep, Chow is impressive. Let's see--this is a kid most schools did not
want, and he's just coming off a mission, so he likely won't be ready
to make significant contributions this year regardless. And Chow wants to make
sure BYU won't get him? Ooooh, that evil BYU, that will benefit from the
highly-sought talents of this kid!
Go Utes. The only advantage BYU has on kids who go on missions is the kids gets
into a spiritual environment on a mission and decides he has a better chance at
a similar environment at BYU. There is no proof whatsoever, that BYU contacts
missionaries and encourages them to abandon their other school and come to BYU.
That is a desired dream on your part. You want it so badly to be true that you
have come to believe it.Norm Chow sure didn't worry about that
at BYU. His anger towards BYU for not making him head coach is now showing.
They apparently saw something in Norm Chow that was comforting to them and
decided not to make him head coach.
Athletes are not the only people who decide to switch to BYU following their
missions. Being a missionary, for whatever reason, gives some the desire to go
to BYU. I know plenty of missionaries (not athletes) that started at one school
only to transfer to BYU post mission and they weren’t recruited. Just
comes with the territory.
Chow has very, very little class. His retirement will be permanent in 24
months. He is nothing without a head coach to hold his hand.
Duckhunted"How did the Josh Sharp thing work out?? I could fall
of the couch and average more points and rebounds next to him!!"I can believe the falling off the couch part, but as far as averaging more
points and rebounds, not a chance! As a seldom-used Freshman, Josh
averaged 1.2 points, 1.4 rebounds, and .4 assists per game in 7 minutes played.
For a 40-min game, that works out to about 8 points, 9 rebounds, and 3 assists
per game.Even at 1.2 ppg, Josh would have been 10th in scoring if
he'd played for the Utes this season, but unlike most of Utah's
players, Josh didn't abandon the team as soon as the season was over.
GD"Jake Murphy chose to go to Utah."Only because
he came home from his mission early and BYU didn't have a scholarship
available for him.
Duckhunted: how sad have the Cougars fallen!! Stealing 0 star missionary from
Hawaii!!How did the Josh Sharp thing work out?? Me: Actually, BYU
doesn't even know about him (per his father in the Trib article - I
recommend you read it). The kid just wants to go to BYU even if he walks on.
Doesn't cost BYU anything.And running basketball smack against
BYU? I shouldn't need to explain how a Ute fan doing such a thing is quite
comical. And transferring from Utah BBall these days is not news. Seems everyone
is doing it.
Obvious question: Why isn't it called the "Ben Olsen Rule"?
Seriously, Ben's transfer to UCLA was a MUCH bigger deal than Nelson
choosing to leave USU, and yet the NCAA responded with...nothing. "Tough
luck, Cougars, but our hands are tied."
Jake Murphy chose to go to Utah.Gary
Red Herring"Why would they want to play in a BCS conference when
they can play for the WAC championship every year??"You're
just bitter that the Utes only managed TWO WAC championships in their 37 years
in the WAC.Enjoy your 8th-place finishes in the "conference of
chumpions".BYU fans will just have to be content with being a
perennial Top 25 team.Top 25 Finishes during the Bronco/Kyle eraBYU 5Utah 3Top 15 Finishes during the Bronco/Kyle eraBYU 3Utah 1
Chow's memory seems to be taking leave of him. Mine
hasn't; I remember what he used to say as Assistant Head Coach.Oh, well, you have to make a living somehow, even if it's to eat your
words.Ol' Norm seems quick to forget --- both BYU and the UofU.
Go Utes!"I have always had a suspicion that BYU took advantage
of kids on missions."WRONG!You're just jealous
that kids on missions sometimes change their minds and decide to attend BYU,
rather than Utah.The haters love to spread their propaganda that BYU
is actively recruiting/pressuring missionaries, but as with Wadsworth, it's
always the missionary or the missionary's family that contacts BYU first.
Even in Riley's case, BYU didn't contact Riley until AFTER he'd
given permission, through his family, that he wanted BYU to contact him.
Ducksouped"Why would they want to play in a BCS
conference..."Why indeed?Difficult as it may seem to
finite minds, playing in a "BcS" conference is not the end all, be all,
of college football success.Comparing a johnny-come-lately program
that's never won a single national award, to a program that's won a
National Championship, a Heisman Trophy, 15 National Player Awards, and been a
perennial Top 25 team for four decades is something only a delusional Utah fan
would try to do.
Many years ago some people said it was a "liability" to have returned
missionaries on the BYU squad. A very experienced high school football referee
told me about 1970 that BYU would never win a conference championship, let alone
a national title, becuase they didn't have enough black players and because
the RM's were too gentle and proper to play a game like football. (The
Heisman Trophy wasn't even on the radar back rthen.) I told him he was
wrong and that the maturity of married players on the team would balance out the
"talented youngsters" that were into partying, girls, booze, skipping
class, etc that manty schools have to absorb to get the "gifted athlete"
into their program. These many years later you can see which of us was right
and which point of view has changed 180 degrees after BYU rose to the top. Now
they say we have an "unfair advantage." well, they can recruit
RM's just like BYU does, can't they? Sour grapes, Chow!
You are spot on Duckhunter!!! BYU recruiting base is made up of kids dreaming of
playing for BYU. Why would they want to play in a BCS conference when they can
play for the WAC championship every year??
Wow...old wounds which appear have never healed...
Chow needs to get over himself.
I just really enjoy the fact that so many athletes are willing to give up full
ride scholarships at other universities to walk on at BYU. It just goes to show
how deeply the feelings run for BYU in these athletes. It is wonderful to know
there are many, many kids who dream of being a BYU athlete, and are willing to
pay their own way there, and give up a free education elsewhere, to do it. There might not be another school in the entire country that has that
enjoys that level of feeling from kids that want to be a part of it. Certainly
no other school in the state has that level of commitment from so many kids.
Sounds to me like Chow is still chewing on those sour grapes he got when he was
passed over as BYU's head coach years ago.
Wow how sad have the Cougars fallen!!Stealing 0 star missionary from
Hawaii!!How did the Josh Sharp thing work out?? I could fall of the couch and
average more points and rebounds next to him!!
It's clear why Chow didn't get the head coaching job.
To my knowledge BYU didn't cry when Jake Murphy returned from a mission
early to transfer to Utah. Jake had signed a LOI with the Cougars prior to
leaving and had he served the full 24 months would have returned for the winter
semester and had a scholarship waiting for him. However, when he returned early
there was not a scholarship available so he transferred. I would think under
those circumstances there was probably some chicanery involved.Also, Chow
has never gotten over being passed over to replace LaVell. In hindsight it was a
huge financial bonus for him since he has made far more money than had he stayed
Its probably because he realizes BYU plays Hawaii multiple times over the next
Shorts:I am quite aware that in the United States of America a
college cannot keep you from going on a mission. Most readers will understand
that I meant that Hawaii would hold his scholarship. Given that Hawaii allowed
him to do this, I can understand their position. By the way, it was the previous
coach who would allow a transfer to anywhere but BYU. Chow later concurred. How
much fun it is for an 18 year old is irrelevant. This is about following through
on a commitment. There are sometimes consequences to changing your mind. I
respect the position of these other schools. I can see their point. They are not
doing this just to be mean as this article implies. See the article by Jay Drew
in the Tribune for a much more informative and even handed coverage.
Here's to hoping that BYU really pours it on when Hawaii comes to town this
And I thought Chow was classy. Ever since he left BYU, he has demonstrated a
less than spectacular code of ethics.
RE: Papa Smurf UTEIf every player that BYU got off a mission has
said there was no contact. All the coaches have said there is no contact. Then
you have to beleave them unless you have proof. Don't you think some of
these kids that transfers don't play or transfers again would have an ax to
grind if BYU broke the rules. But you heard of nothing. RE: Max
you say Hawaii allowed him to go on a mission. A school can't stop a
player who wishes to serve a mission. They can say if you leave you can't
come back or say you will not have any aid if you leave. The kid wanted to
serve a mission while out on a mission he changed his mind on where he wished to
play. Hawaii would be a fun place for a 18 or 19 year old kid. He was ready to
come home and should be allowed to do so.
There was an article about this in the Tribune that was MUCH more informative.
This one was spun to make it appear that Hawaii was just being mean. I don't think that BYU does any recruiting with missionaries but after so
many decide to transfer to BYU while they are on their missions I can understand
why other schools believe that they do. Hawaii invested in this player and
allowed him to go on a mission. It would be quite annoying to then lose the
player to BYU. I can't blame Hawaii or any other school that blocks players
from transferring to BYU in this kind of situation.
The student athlete is being used and abused by the system. Coaches are
manipulating their lives while they are free to change jobs anytime they want.
When the headcoach leaves or is fired then every athlete that is
part of the program should be able to leave as well. Freedom is always the
answer!It is Satan's plan to keep the kids enslaved to the
University against their will.Change the rules!
Cougar in Texas,They can say they followed the correct protocol all
they want, and while I believe for the most part that it actually is done the
right way, things can still go on behind the scenes. I am not saying that only
BYU does this, the UTES have a ton of LDS players and returned missionaries and
they may also talk to missionaries while they are still out and about. All I am
saying is that we will never know for sure if they do talk to them or not. They
can tell us they don't talk to them while on their missions until the cows
come home, but that does not mean it does not happen.
Giving up a scholarship to attend the Y, shows earnest desire to transfer..rules
for players should be upgraded to equal rules for Coaches, like Chow in leaving
the U. Without the Coach, players can still play, we still have a game...what
do we have without the players?
Papa Smurf UTE: How do you know they do not initiate any contact at all with
athletes on their missions? Two ways to know: First, Mendenhall has
clearly laid out the conditions upon which his staff will communicate with a
player from another school who is serving a mission, which are that the player
or his family first contacts BYU and expresses interest in BYU. BYU will then
acquire permission from the player's mission president to return the
contact. Second, in each transfer case where there has been follow-up, it has
been confirmed that BYU followed the aforementioned protocol.
While I dont think that too much talking to players on missions goes on, I do
believe it does happen on occasion. Maybe not from the head coach, but from
recruiting coordinators, and other asst coaches. Players who were looked at by
some teams and not offered a scholly before their missions may get a lot bigger
and taller while on their mission, and families tell coaches, recruiters, etc.
about their kids. The schools get interested in them again, and may start to
talk to them. We will never really know what does go on.
Looks like Norm is still bitter about being passed over for the BYU Head
Coaching job when LaVell retired. Grow up and show some class.
I understand guys changing their minds during their missions. I don't
believe BYU initiates any contact for missionaries from other schools. If that
is not the case, i would be seriously dissappointed in my alma mater.Sounds like he is making the call to go to BYU and foot the bill. That is his
right and I wish him well. I agree with the comments that it might not matter
much. If he was not given an offer by BYU before his mission, is he going to be
TJ,How do you know they do not initiate any contact at all with
athletes on their missions? Are you on the coaching staff, or a recruiter at the
Y? Just because someone says that it is not heppening doesnt make it true. The
Saits said there were no bountys being paid ofr years and years, sure enough
Thanks Norm Chow, you've relieved my questions about why you were not
considered for BYU's head coaching job. The real you shows through and
explains why you were never a head coach until Hawai'i was desperate. To
think that you alone can determine the life choices for another person is the
height of arrogance. Yes, character matters.
What's with sour grapes Chowster?! A guy wants to transfer and they
"block it" ? Sounds like a big chip on a cold Norman . - Ed
And Chow wanted to be our latex salesman!
Inexcusable. Any time a program sees significant changes (like firing a coach)
it is petty for the next guy to try and lock players into his program. Chow
didn't recruit this kid. I actually thought the U of U basketball program
showed a ton of class by realizing many kids recruited by the last coach
wouldn't want to stay after his firing, so they allowed the transfers. Some
BYU fans freaked about Olsen, but they were wrong for the same reasons - Olsen
was a Crowton recruit, and he got canned, so Olsen had every right to transfer.
Mr. Chow is still bitter at BYU after all these years.
Aren't there former BYU players playing at other schools?
Yep Ben Olsen transfered, look what good it did him. There were other QB's
at the Y that were better than him. He had such a stellar career at UCLA and
now does not play in the NFL. Shucks. Chow ought to cut bait and run.
Also, schools can yank a kid's scholarship on a whim. Where is the
fairness to the student? Student-athletes are being used by the schools.
Re:3grandslamsHow old are you? BYU fans lost their minds when Ben
Olson left. I agree though that kids should be able to transfer at a
lesser cost than they currently have. If nothing else, they should change the
rule to be that a player can leave without penalty if the coach leaves. Missionaries will want to transfer to BYU on occassion. I think in this
case there was no funny business (unlike the Nelson case IMO).
This kid's dad needs to back off and let him do what he wants. Why
wasn't he good enough to be recruited by byu to begin with?
Silent Lurker: What rules did BYU or his Father break? BYU did not contact him
about transferring. He wanted to play close to home after his mission. And had
his father make contact with BYU. This is allowed and how the rule is set up.
Chow blocked him from transferring to BYU and getting a scholarship. Again this
is allowed (but shouldn't be) If John L Smith can agree to coach at Weber
State, then 4 months later leave them high and dry.... Last instead of taking a
scholarship to BYU which would be against the rules as he was blocked from
receiving financial aide to BYU he chose to enroll in the school him self and
pay his own way. Again this is allowed and is not breaking any rules.
Sounds like cougar fans want to see an open season on other schools
missionary's. This situation was set up by the Riley Nelson transfer from
Utah State. BYU fans need to let this take its course and quit Ying about the
rules. His father needs to quit Ying to the press and act like an adult. Just
follow the rules for crying out loud.
Chow never complained about the "unfair" advantage when he coached at
BYU. Of course what is Chow really taling about, is it unfairness or envy? I
mean nobody complained when UCLA went after Ben Olsen when he was on his
mission. It only seems to be "unfair" when BYU gets a player.
Hawaii has an unfair advantage when it comes to recruiting non-LDS players.
Norm did not think this one through. There have always been and always will be
LDS athletes who change their minds about playing at BYU while they are on their
missions. The rules for missionaries should not be any different for them than
for any other athlete who sits out a year and wants to transfer. BYU does not
initiate contact with or in any way recruit athletes while they are serving a
mission. However; They would not be very smart if they did not take a serious
look at athletes who initiate contact with BYU and want to play there. This can
only hurt Chow / Hawaii.
I wish we could trade Wadsworth for Riley. Chow should not complain...BYU got
the worst our of the Riley Nelson transfer.
Student athletes need to make sure they know which schools will strictly enforce
transfer rules. Decisions like this will hurt programs like Hawaii and
Wisconsin in the long term. I really like Chow, but he was allowed to transfer
from Utah to Hawaii before the end of his contract / agreement. Let the
athletes do the same.
It is not an unfair advantage for missionaries to want to attend BYU. People
change over a two year period and begin to understand their own priorities.
Perhaps the opportunity to live in Hawaii is an unfair advantage in some eyes.
I have always had a suspicion that BYU took advantage of kids on missions. When
Coach Chow, a high profile BYU assistant for 20+ years states that BYU has an
advantage you kinda have to think he might have some inside information. I do
not like the direction BYU is headed in right now, it seems the usual high
standards and scrupulous attitude of the coaching staff is slowly fading away.
P.S i know as a Utah fan this will seem like an attack by BYU fans
but its just this one fellows opinion.
Not a smart move by Chow. This will affect future LDS recruiting.
Hawai'is visit to Provo on September 29th just got a little more
interesting. Athletes should be able to attend any school they wish
after sitting out two years while serving a mission.
Is it true Chow said he could go to Utah or anywhere except BYU?
So will he be able to play this fall or will he have to sit out a year?
Chow is showing his true colors.