way to sweep in at the ned of a thread and completely ignore all the comments
before yours that already addressed your comment.
Let's have a new ARTS and HUMANITIES Tax for salaries derived from art,
acting, dancing, atheletic,performing, etc. Let them fund the arts if, it is so
important. What part of we are broke don't these people understand?
Nobody is preventing them from stroking checks to fund the arts!
@redshirtthere is no mandate to fund the arts but that does not mean that
voters cannot choose to support the arts through their elected officials which
is historically what has happened and as a society we most certainly do invest
in things that we think will have a positive outcome art education and science
to name a few, beyond that you are just running in circles and I feel no need
to readdress arguments that have already been addressed.
To "George" but it is a pet project. Where in the Constitution does it
state that we have to have funding for an arts program?The NEA is
one of the "nice to have" but not necessary.The government
is not an investment firm, plus their investments rarely work.According to the NEA website, we don't all have a stake in it. Their
funding for education is for afterschool programs and summer programs. What
does not go for education typically goes to fund arts that the elites
participate in, not the general public.So again, if congress does
not have the money for the NEA, why should we, the taxpayers, pay for the pet
project of these millionaires?
@redshirt I think you are the one willfully not getting it, again proving
Tolstoy right. As has been pointed out to you several times including my
evidence. the fact is that it is not a "charity" project or simply a
"pet project" it is an investment in our future and we all have a stake
in it not just those that advocate for it. Why should he have to front extra
money for something we all have a stake in? why should you get the rewards
without helping paying? At the end of the day tolstoy is right you are the
perfect example of why these programs are so important even in the face of
evidence that your position is wrong you hold onto your myopic reasoning. these
programs are important because they provide keys to unlocking peoples ability to
find effective solutions complex problems well beyond the filed of art.
To "Kalindra" you still don't get it.If you knew I had
a bank account with $200 million in it, and I came to you asking that you and
your neighbors to pay for an afterschool arts program in New York, would you do
it even if I told you that I was not going to contribute 1 cent of my own
money?Would you think that I am some great hero for asking others to
pay for my charity project while I put nothing into it beyond asking others to
fund it?That is what is going on here. Millionairs asking you to
pay for their pet projects while they pay nothing for them.
@ RedShirt: In many areas, art education is not included in the school budget
and the only exposure to the arts comes through after school programs or
separate funding for in-school classes.I'm sorry that you see
no benefit to museums and the symphony and many other arts programs. I do. And since I know that the only way many lower income people have access
to this is through public funding, I do not mind using my taxes to help fund
it.However, if you wish to make it so that only those who have an
interest in something fund it, go right ahead - I can almost guarantee it will
save me a lot more on my taxes than it will save you.
@redshirtSo if its is for after school, community education or even just
exposure to the arts it is not worth the investment? education and exposure
whether in the schools or community benefits all of society and should be
funded by al of society. BTW it looks like you are the one that starred away by
bringing up rome and greece, don't be made at Tolstoy for picking up the
stick and beating you with it.
To "Tolstoy" you are straying from the point I originally made. If this
is so important to these millionaires, why are they not getting together with
some of their buddies and funding the program themselves?As far as
the education portion, that is part of the school system already and does not
need the redundant funding. The funding that the NEA provies is typically for
afterschool programs or summer programs. Very little goes to actual classroom
instruction where it would be most beneficial.
@ Tami: If education were being funded properly, there would be enough to teach
the arts along with math, science, history, and reading/writing.Unfortunately, however, often there is not enough money provided to schools to
teach those things properly - let alone things that are "to decorate your
house".Because so many people are unable to see the influence
that art and music has on the ability to learn other subjects and the importance
art has in advancing knowledge by increasing the ability for creative problem
solving, art and music are the first things cut when budgets are tight.If the arts are not funded by outside sources, they often are not funded or
taught at all.
Why is art important? read the following references.Michael Posner,
Ph.D., University of Oregon—How Arts Training Influences Cognition John Jonides, Ph.D., University of Michigan—Musical Skill and
CognitionElizabeth Spelke, Ph.D., Harvard University, Effects of
Music Instruction on Developing Cognitive Systems at the Foundations of
Mathematics and Science* Brian Wandell, Ph.D., Stanford
University—Training in the Arts, Reading, and Brain Imaging*
Scott Grafton, M.D., University of California, Santa Barbara—Dance and the
Brain* Mark D’Esposito, M.D., University of California,
Berkeley—Developing and Implementing Neuroimaging Tools to Determine if
Training in the Arts Impacts the BrainKevin Niall Dunbar, Ph.D.,
University of Toronto at Scarborough (formerly at Dartmouth College)—Arts
Education, the Brain, and LanguageLaura-Ann Petitto, Ed.D.,
University of Toronto at Scarborough (formerly at Dartmouth College)—Arts
Education, the Brain, and LanguageHelen Neville, Ph.D., University
of Oregon—Effects of Music Training on Brain and Cognitive Development in
Under-Privileged 3- to 5-Year-Old Children: Preliminary Results
@redshirt there are several studies that show that study of music and the
visual arts increases not only critical, flexible and creative thinking across
many disciplines but actually raises test scores for children. Funding by the
Nation endowment for the arts does not just go to a bunch of millionaires it
helps fund art education and artist across the political and economic stratus
the last thing we need is more people like you that lack critical thinking,
flexibility and creative thinking as this is how we end up with the grand ideas
that all of our problems can be solved with over simplified solutions like
simple cutting all spending or simply drilling our way out of our oil
dependency. It is interesting that you bring up Rome and greece actually because
if you look at their history they fail after moving away from the arts and into
a more aster posture for fear of losing their power. Sound familiar?
While I firmly believe the arts should be as much a part of our childrens'
education as much as math, science and reading, it should be funded the same
way. So, no special funding from the feds and we certainly should not be funding
special projects for adults to help them provide arts for the rest of us.
To "Tolstoy" I don't think you understand what a metaphor is. The
government is broke and is spending us into oblivion. Now we have a group of
millionaires asking congress to fund their pet project that does not create jobs
or feed people, and you have no problem with this? Doesn't it bother you
that much of the funding will go to things that benefit the wealthy, and do not
go to things that the poor will be included in?The fact is that
spending must be brought under control. Once that is taken care of, then lets
fund some arts programs.It is your type of thinking that brought
Roman and the Greek empires down into ruin.
sorry ever not every
@redshirt do you think you could have proven my last comment any more if
you tried? The value of the arts to a culture goes well beyond pictures on your
wall a concept I really don't expect you would every want to even try to
To "Tolstoy" if you have to borrow money to meet your monthly living
expenses, should you be going out and buying pictures and art to decorate your
@redshrt why are you to cheap? Never mind I forgot who I was talking to of
course you would see no value in the arts.
If all of the highly paid actors put a small portion of their yearly salaries
together, they could fund the NEA with more money than what they are asking
congress to do. Why is it that wealthy actors such as Alec Baldwin are too
cheap to pay for something that they deem is necessary?