I welcome the opportunity of having more interest in who we really are and what
we really believe. Amazingly in this "information age" there is so much
misinformation about the church. As members, we should use this moment to tell
our non LDS friends what and why we really believe, in a way that is thoughtful,
kind and respectful of others' beliefs (or non beliefs). Most of all, we
just need to be decent, caring people and "walk the talk".Let's stop focusing on the wacko fringe on both sides. I'm tired of
the D-News constant daily stories on who-said-something-that offends-us. We need
to be a little more thick skinned and classy in the way we handle
misperceptions. Maybe the News can reprint quotes from Pres. Hinckley and Elder
Ballard on how to handle things with our non LDS neighbors. Be active on
Belief-oriented blogs in a positive way. Let's just be ourselves and not
worry so much about what others think of us.
It will be fun to watch how this thing unfold ...a wild ride indeed for mormons,
and a lot of fun too.
We sometimes forget just how divisive religion has always been since the
beginning of the Republic. Adams accused Jefferson of being the Anti-Christ, and
asserted he would burn every Bible in America if elected. Jefferson accused
Adams of being a serial adulterer, and said he would destroy the morality of
Americans. Of course, neither said to each other's face - it
was all done through surrogates. Sound familiar?
This article points to what many of us have been saying, that the support of
Mitt Romney among Mormons has as much to do with his religion as his policy
positions. We're fascinated by the prospects of a Mormon in the White
House, or a "Mormon moment" or whatever you want to call it. I
understand it. It's natural for minority groups to seek understanding and
greater acceptance through promotion and recognition of their best-known
members. But who would look me in the eyes, and tell me with a straight face,
that if Mitt Romney were not Mormon, he would still be receiving 90%+ of the
vote here in our state? What do the majority of LDS believe about the bank
bailout, the stimulus package, individual mandates for health insurance, the
Patriot Act, the NDAA, or adherence to the Constitution when it comes to other
civil liberties or issues like Presidential war-making? If we support Mitt
Romney and agree with his stand on all these issues, then we really should vote
for President Obama, because they agree on all of them, and at least the
President has been consistent in those positions.
@ eastcoastcougI agree with that there could be less of "stories
on who-said-something-that offends-us." as well as the Pro-Mitt fluff
masquerading as news/However, I don't think it will happen.
Why? Sensationalism sells & in 21st century America its all about the bottom
Before you hit back with anti-Obama comments...Are LDS people at all
concerned with the comments and criticism that Mitt Romney is making about every
single solitary issue? NRA comments are the most recent lies from Romney.Romney's criticisms are, many times, untrue statements about President
Obama's policies in different areas.We know our President has had
difficulties. US Presidency is not an easy job. Obviously, government problems
abound.But, the lying and blatancy of untruths coming out of a person such
as Romney, who is touted to be above such behavior because of his religious
back round, is becoming more and more apparent each day.There is no
question that the LDS Church will be spotlighted, but it is not going to be in
the way Mormons had hoped for.
Holy cow! After all Pres. Obama has done to destroy America financially, folks
still continue to support this failed direction. Rampant socialism drives
America at warp speed to be another Greece.
@Rikitikitavi"After all Pres. Obama has done to destroy America
financially"Well yeah, we've gained jobs over 24 straight
months. As for the deficit? It'd be lower if it weren't for the wars
(and doubling of defense spending the past decade), the bush tax cuts, the
unfunded entitlement expansion (the prescription drug expansion of medicare
passed under bush). and the recession itself. The bailouts were loans that were
paid back, The stimulus is only 700 billion of the 4 trillion in deficits, and
obamacare, as people note frequently, hasn't had the spending part go into
effect. So what was the other 3 trillion in deficit under Obama from? Mostly
bush-era policies and the recessions' depressing impact on revenue. What
does Romney want? More defense spending and more tax cuts, both increase the
deficit. He's not outlined a serious deficit reduction plan so if
that's your reason to support him... prepare to be disappointed.
@David King-Not sure I completely agree with you. While most
assuredly his support wouldn't be as strong were he not Mormon, Utah (and
most LDS) are so overwhelmingly republican, they would probably vote for him in
just as large of numbers, simply because he is the republican front runner. But
who knows for sure.
As a non-member, I would appreciate it if the LDS Church would simply come out
and openly address the key issues that seem to be causing all of the concern and
misunderstanding. It has been my experience that bringing to light issues leads
to quick resolution and better understanding. It is better for the LDS Church to
define who they are rather than let it be done through the media. The recent PR
campaign of the Church has let members tell their story but that does not answer
alot of the doctrinal questions or explain the issues that people have problems
understanding. Is anyone else with me on this suggestion? I would also like to
know why the Church leadership does not take this opportunity to address these
things out in the open and put this to rest.
per t702Should the least little thing go wrong, the persecution card
will be played like it NEVER has been before.
per The Deuce"I would also like to know why the Church
leadership does not take this opportunity to address these things out in the
open and put this to rest."If they did not w/ the whole Glenn
Beck/Social Justice controversy why would they now?
Like it or not Utah, Romney's religion is a big a factor in this election
cycle as it was in 2008, even though it was a constant topic of discussion among
pundits and voters. There's a sucker born every minute is a phrase often
credited to P. T. Barnum an American showman, (1 year, 525 600 minutes
or suckers.) The Koch Brother's think we are the ultimate disposable
society that can't think on our own, just lead by your
"puppet-master" Congress, these Koch Brother's that invented
Libertarianism along with RINO/GOP bureaucrats and politicians in Washington DC
reminds me of "Elite Showdogs" that is an invitation-only e-mail list of
long-time breeders, K Street and Wall Street exhibitors and judges that are
judicial activist's. These politicians in Washington DC wear a GPS collar
attachment to be found faster, so these K Street and Wall Street exhibitors can
walk them around using a chain in circles until their dizzy enough to cave into
them and give them what they want. Obama will eat Romney alive in
their 3 debates.Deseret News needs to stop the steady diet of
re: Rikitikitavi 9:40 a.m. April 15, 2012"Rampant socialism
drives America at warp speed to be another Greece."Interesting
comment coming from someone in a country w/ socialized medicine.
It may be a strong possibility but I think MR Romney has still not even got half
of the delegates he will need to make his nomination certain.Why not
stick to reporting the news and not making any assumptions. People want a two
man race and they want it now? Sorry, it's not over til it's over;
this has been an unusual race with odd happenings occurring and strange vote
counting by the various GOP leaderships especially in Nevada and Maine, and some
mighty strange reporting by the media. Winners declared with only
3% of the vote in was one thing that has annoyed me during this strange and
disturbing contest. Anyone remember the events in Iowa; Santorum giving a
premature "vitory speech", Romney tentatively conceding defeat. Then
Romney was declared the winner after all the votes were said to be in, and then
Santorum was the winner again.Anyone remember Clark County, Nevada;
they stopped announcing results with half of the votes uncounted, then two or
three days later the GOP announced a winner by declaration? What about Maine
when several precincts were not included in the tally? Still puzzled what
happened in that one.
David KingReligion certainly brings Mitt Romney more support among
some members of the Church and less among some non-members.I lived
in a very Catholic community when JFK was in the White House. I think his
support was deeper because of his religion. Bush II was heavily supported by
evangelicals. Barak Obama got more black support than another Democratic
nominee would have. We all tend to like someone who we think better reflects
us.There is nothing new under the sun . . .No Fit in
SGI think much of what you bring up is just what (unfortunately)
passes for standard in modern political discourse.Let's be
realistic. In the coming months, everything Mitt has said or done will be bad
according to the Obama camp. From the Romney side, nothing Obama has ever said
or done will have been even remotely correct.And you are right about
the presidency. It must be a phenomenally hard job. Anyone who does it
deserves a significant amount of slack. But that is not the nature of our
politics . . .
@sciencepeteHe got 90% of the Utah primary vote in 2008 when he
didn't even win the nomination. In the general it might not make much of a
difference (consider that Obama only did slightly better in the black vote than
Kerry in the general) other than enhanced turnout (like Obama had with blacks)
but in the primary... there's a strong LDS skew towards him, (he got 85% of
the LDS vote in Nevada).
I'm shocked, shocked, that my fellow Utahns would vote on the basis of
The biggest perpetuators of Mormon myths that I have seen are those who have
lived in Utah all their lives, So called "Jack Mormons" as well as
non-Mormons. No problem. However, I hear the most ridiculous things. And so many
things taken out of context so as to result in complete disinformation. So many
adamantly cling to traditions of what they think Mormons believe. Too many get
their Mormon 101 lessons from South Park and The Mormon Musical. Honest
differences in interpretation and doctrine is fine but deliberate deception
about any other group is unchristian. and unbiblical. Fortunately, I have seen
more and more Christian churches whose pastors, while still clarifying
differences, practice a more pure Christianity and have risen above this type
of behavior. Joel Osteen is one good example.
It's going to be a lot of smoke and mirrors, sound and fury, fire and ice.
And when all is said and done, Obama will be reelected.But, if
Mormons and the Mormon Church respond to this unwanted attention with dignity
and truth, religious bigotry and intolerance will be marginalized. And that
becomes the lasting and most valuable political legacy of candidate Mitt Romney.
Re: The Deuce"It is better for the LDS Church to define who they
are rather than let it be done through the media."The LDS Church
has been doing just that for over a century. The next time our two young
representatives come knocking at your door try letting them in and allow them to
teach you about our beliefs. When was the last time you picked up and read the
Book of Mormon to understand our doctrines? The media will always
say whatever the need to say just to sell their product. If you want to know
the facts about the Mormon Church study what the Church says.. not the vile lies
of the haters.
"The next six months will be a wild ride for Mormons".It
sure will, If I have anything to say about it!
While Mitt Romney and RINO's in Congress embrace the Koch Brother's,
it's time they paid their fair share in taxes to. Tax woes of the rich and
famous even these 10 celebrities who became well known to the Internal Revenue
Service, proving that fame doesn't exempt anyone from paying Uncle Sam.
Small business tax cheats. A $122 billion problem. Ja Rule, money owed $1
million plus penalties. Prison sentence: two to three years. The rapper and
actor pleaded guilty to tax evasion last year in a Newark, N.J., federal court.
Admitting that he hadn't paid tax from earnings in 2004 and 2006, Ja Rule
will pay more than $1 million in back taxes and penalties and serve two years in
prison. The MTV Video Music Award winner did catch a break. He will be able to
serve his federal sentence concurrently with the two years he'll already be
serving in New York for a 2007 incident the same incident that put rapper Lil
Wayne behind bars for nine months. "The next six months
will be a wild ride for Mormons".I just can't wait till the 3
Romney-Obama debates begin.
Let’s see, how did that old saying go again?....“Be
careful for what you wish for, ‘cause you just might get it.”Mitt helped Utah look good for the Olympics, Can he, will he do
the same for the LDS Church?As far as his waffling and flip-flopping
go, having Integrity is not coming across as a good Mormon trait.
I doubt there will be a lot of negative words against the LDS in this campaign;
if a person talks hate, it says more about themselves and they condemn
themselves and look silly. Any intelligent person knows this. As Paul was
told on the way to Damascus, "It is stupid to kick a cactus forever."
Let it go. Move on. The devil doesn't want disaster and hurricanes and
earthquakes and 9-11 types of crises everyday of our lives because we would all
turn to prayer and family and community in a half second and he doesn't
want that; instead, it is subtle, gradual, imperceptible types of deception
out there: lack of faith in one person, lack of light in another, until it
adds up to communities and entire families. The irony is, if there is a lot of
anti-religion feelings, it makes religious people more faithful---it is proof
there is evil and hate and if there is evil and hate, there must be goodness and
a God. Also we know how to take it and laugh at humor. Which elders quorum
would move the Romneys in???
If Romney does not have all the same viewpoints as Ron Paul I don't want
him elected. I think he will be worse than Obama given his track record.Romney just like Obama will only serve their Bilderberg masters and not
care on iota about you or me.
I agree that activists are gearing up to attack Romney's faith, especially
on gay issues etc, and Mormon haters will "ferociously" attack the
Church.They have been going after the Church already, for 200 years,
and especially lately. They are on the DN and every major media source.
Sometimes they pretend to be LDS, sometimes investigators, etc, anything but
what they are (your friendly neighborhood anti-Mormons : )) They tell me this (from Tribune comments): "We are going to go
after your church every day.""I would delight if every
Mormon....voting for 08, ended up unemployed, penniless and starving on the
street. Drive them into the ground...""Good bye LD$ Inc, I
look forward to the day you become a dead religion!"One quotes
Boggs saying 'hasten your operation, Mormons are enemies, increase your
force, ecterminate' etc then gives a "cha CHING!" after. It seems that hatred is terribly disappointed that everyone doesn't
fall for the propaganda. The last thing extremists (on the right and left) want
is for people to like Mormons. It'll be fun : ) returning love
to their hate.... Go to FAIR lds, Black lds etc, prepare and smile
as they profane : )
Anti Bush-ObamaWashington, DCIf Romney does not have all the same
viewpoints as Ron Paul I don't want him elected. I think he will be worse
than Obama given his track record.Romney just like Obama will only
serve their Bilderberg masters and not care on iota about you or me.============== Why do we see eye-to-eye and agree who the REAL
Gadiantons are, Yet you still vote Republican?
The Evangelicals dislike Ronmey because he is LDS, the Democrats dislike him
because of his proposals. (Or at least his party's proposals, who knows
what his really are?) Democrats only care about his religion to the
extent he might be someone who does whatever he is told to do by his religious
leaders. Given his history in Massachusetts (support for abortion rights, etc.)
I don't think Romney qualifies as someone who would toe the Church's
line. So I think the Democrats will be much more concerned about
Romney's recent statements on taxes, medical care, abortion rights,
financial regulation, and consumer protection than his religion.
To: OnlyInUtah - Cottonwood Heights, UT: I believe you may have misunderstood
me. While I have a great deal of respect for any person who takes time out of
their life in the pursuit of helping others, these young missionaries are not
often equiped with the knowledge or understanding of the issues that people are
asking about. I have spoken with the missionaries and they do struggle trying to
explain many of the issues that are in the media. Their comments do not often
explain or add understanding. They are still learning themselves and are focused
on teaching the basics of the Gospel. This is why I believe it is better for the
LDS Church leadership to come out and address these issues. There are some very
accomplished men in leadership positions withing the LDS Church. I am sure they
could do quite well if given the opportunity.
Re: A Scientist Provo, UT"It sure will, If I have anything to say
about it!"You'll get your chance to vote just like
everybody else. Romney is already ahead in 3 polls and he hasn't even
gotten the Republican nomination yet. It is only going to get worse for Obama
as gasoline prices go up, the Supreme Court buries Obamacare. To
make matters worse for Obama look for Romney to make a shrewd VP pick. The
Republican slogan will be "It's the economy stupid".
I agree with Ann Romeny. I can't wait until the presidential campaign,
when they unzip him and let the real Mitt Romney out. He fooled conservatives
into thinking he was one of them. Hate to think we have to elect him President
to find out what Mitt Romney is really really like.
To the Deuce in CA: media thinks religion is boring and dull; media craves
a new story-- not prayer, faith, scripture study, marriage, nor early to bed
& early to rise. Media and universities and Hollywood have ignored
religion for a very long time and now want religion to explain itself? Media
and universities and Hollywood are boring and dull: nothing new from them in a
very long time.