As far as a silver spoon, shall we compare them to the Kennedys? How about
To "LDS Liberal" you did say that it was ok to say mean things to you
wife as long as everybody else did too. You said:"What’s
the Big deal?My wife (a stay home mom) gets told this all the time,
by the "working outside of the home" Sisters in our ward."You made it quite clear that it isn't a big deal (no problem) as
long as everybody else was doing it also. Saying that stay at home moms
don't work is not ok for a non-Member Democrat, the same as it is not ok
for anybody else to say the same thing.There is no hypocrisy in what
was done. Hilary Rosen said something that should have irked every stay at home
mom in the US, and around the world.Too bad for those countries that
have to pay mothers to stay home with their small children. In the US stay at
home moms love their family enough that they don't require the government
to pay them to stay home and raise their kids. (In Sweden the liberals are
trying to eliminate this benefit because they think women should be employed.)
RedShirt – I said nothing of the sort.I never would say such a
thing because it isn’t true.Stay at home moms work harder than those
who don’t.I said – Why is it OK for Utah Mormon
“sisters” who work outside of the home to say this very same sort of
thing at Church to the Stay at home Moms – but it’s not OK for a
non-Member Democrat to say it?The Double-Standard hypocrisy is what
I’m pointing out.Ann Romney should not be accused of something
this outlandish from a Democrat OR a “good” Latter-Day Saint.[FYI – In Socialist countries where people are the happiest
[Sweden, Norway, Denmark, etc.] Mothers are PAID to stay at home with their
children. They discovered and recognize that a Society as a whole is best when a
Mother stays at home and raise her own children, than it is for that same
Society to pay for the all the Social ills of children dropped off at a daycare
businesses. People Factories they call them.
@cpafred@Furry1993Even if you're Romney's friend or
personal acquaintance, you have no idea.
To "LDS Liberal" you try it, you go home and tell you wife that she
hasn't had to work while staying at home with your kids.According to what you are saying is that I can say anything that is rude or
demeaning to your wife as long as "everybody else is doing it". Since
when is something ok just because others are doing it also?
A few corrections to Bro S. ( though more corrections still needed)"1.
Romney's positions are the most radically anti-women of any candidate in a
generation: He supports banning all abortions, (not true - allowed if
mothers life in immenent danger or if rape or incest)"backed a
so-called "personhood" amendment that could make certain forms of birth
control illegal, "( like partial birth abortion - where a baby is
killed just as it is born!!"and says he would "get rid of"
federal funding for Planned Parenthood that provides preventive services like
cancer screenings for millions of women."( I understand PP does not do
cancer screenings. )--- I'm not saying all must vote for Mitt but how
about " the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" when discussing any candidate?
When people are that far off Track it is jest best not to pay attention to them.
The less attention that they get the better.
If being a Mother is Not Working I do Not know what is. If a Mother works
outside the home it means that she just has 2 jobs. Evan though I have taken
care of the kids through all theses years, they still go to her when she comes
home. She likes and wants it that way.Many Women have the choice to
stay home, and have chosen not to. Many do not have a choice, they either did
not Merry Well or something happened that they did not expect. Greed
and Not living within your means is also a major Factor. In homes where both
parents work the parents are often inactive or less active. Evan with two jobs
Tithing is the 1st thing to go by the way side. Then the Calling and then the
Going to Church. This attitude is of course passed on to the kids who often use
the issue of Church to divide and Concur.If you work different
shifts in order to raise the kids, not pay for Day Care etc, the couple will
lose each other. The divorce rate is huge among separate shift workers. Mom at
home is best.
I have no doubt Ann Romney is a wonderful mother and fine person. The issue is
she has never had to worry about how to pay for braces or back to school clothes
or anything like that. I have no doubt a lot of working mothers would love to
stay home and be a full time mom. Unfortunately many jobs don't provide
enough income to provide for all the needs of a family. I am single and I
barely survive paycheck to paycheck. I marvel at those who can provide for a
family on a teachers salary. I don't know how they do it. There is an
income inequality in this country. I am not a liberal or socialist. I just
want to see beter wages for low income and middle class workers. It does
appear that the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer. The question is
when do the rich have enough? We need to do more for those who are struggling
financially. There are some among the upper class who appear to despise the
poor and needy.
To David Kig, 10:46 a.m.The problem, David, is that Mitt Romney
pushed Ann Romney into the political spotlight when he said she was his advisor
on women's issues. If he hadn't done that . . . if she were just
willing to be a political wife and play the traditional "political wife"
role . . . I would agree with the comment that she should be left alone. BUT
when she allows herself to be named an advisor, she becomes fair game for
comment and criticism. Let's face it -- she does not have the experience
of wondering whether to buy food or pay the rent, or wodering how she could earn
enough money to support her children. She hasn't had to live with the need
to make the heart-wrenching choices the majority of women and families do. She
has never had to walk the walk. She's not qualified to advise concerning
now the majority of women live and think. She (and Mitt) are out of touch with
the majority of the people in the United States. They aren't what the
country needs in the White House.
Wow! Women in our country have really evolved to this lamentable point, i.e.,
that women such as Hilary Rosen no longer regard the formidable work of raising
honorable, upstanding children as a noble calling or virtue--or even as work!
Without great women who raise children to be contributing members of society,
we'd be in a world of hurt. Oh, I almost forgot, we are in a world of
hurt. I wonder why? Could it be that day care centers aren't quite
measuring up to the quality work mothers used to do? A village can't raise
a child as well as a great mother.
The comment made by Ms. Rosen reveals clearly the contrast between family value
conservatives and liberals. Liberal contempt for women who choose to forgo
professional careers to raise children is usually unwritten and unspoken but
often implied. Ms. Rosen slipped up and said how most liberals really feel.
For those that say Mrs. Romney has never struggled, they are out of
touch. Everyone struggles, whatever their wealth or status. It's a fact
of life. Nobody escapes pain, sorrow, grief; espcially people who choose to
raise children. Even Rose Kennedy struggled.
Re:PavlovaNeither Ann nor Mitt worked while attending college. They lived
off income from selling stock George Romney gifted Mitt on his birthdays. Ann
and Mitt also purchased a home in Boston while attending Harvard using money
from George. I wouldn't exactly say they made their way on their own.
Mitt and Ann had a lot of advantages growing up but it seems like they pretend
@jmho"Do you think the people running for office in this country
came out of the slums? The class warfare has to stop."what an
interesting statement. In light of this statement who do you think started and
has been aggressively waging class warfare?
atl134,the BO camapaing is only telling Rosen to shut it because of the
negative backlash.VocalLocal,see Pavalova's comments
about when the Romney's did struggle. Don't let your envy of their
ability to overcome their struggles bite you too hard. (nor your disdain for
stay-at-home moms)As for their ability to connect with the poor -
what do think he did as stake president? he was responsible for the spiritual
and temporal welfare of all (not just LDS) within his stake. you don't
think he viewed each with compassion and a desire to help and uplift? do think
NONE of her church responsibilities involved helping others and dealing with the
less fortunate? get a clue before you jump on the class-warfare bandwagon.
The comment was not presented in the best manner, but that doesn’t change
the fact that it’s accurate. This election will be a great test to see if
Mitt Romney can actually lower himself to the level of ordinary Americans.
He’s lived the priviledged life, and lets it be known at times when
he’s actually being himself on the campaign trail. With the way
Republicans have taken the last 3 years to fight vigorously for the continued
growth of wealth for the rich, while the middle class falls further and further
behind, it will be interesting to see Mitt try and transform himself from the
Tea Party, Fiscal Hawk, Social Conservative he morphed into the last 8 months,
back into the moderate candidate he truly is, and will certainly try to be again
in the General.
Being a mom is one of the hardest jobs ever, of course, if you want to do a good
job. Of course there are some mothers who really shouldn't be called
mothers and others that should be called heroes,but from this working mom,
working as a manager was piece of cake in comparison with being a mom at home.
I read once not all men can be a sucessful pastor or politician
without a good wife. Ms Romney is a wife for both roles. I am still
upset after reading being a mom is not a real job. For crying out loud.....
What’s the Big deal?My wife (a stay home mom) gets told this
all the time, by the "working outside of the home" Sisters in our
ward.orIs it just suddenly not OK or only becomes an issue when
it's a non-Mormon Democrat saying it about a Romney?
I think regardless of the work Ann Romney may have done in her home, which
I'm sure was considerable, the fact of the matter she is the wife of a
multi-millionair and unlikely to be very in touch with the difficulties of
average Americans. That I think is the point the CNN commentator was trying to
make though she chose a poor way of saying it.
The ironic thing is the fact that with the Obama campaign, and many liberals, is
that they claim to fight for women's rights, yet mock a woman who stays
home to raise her kids.Mitt Romney would like the US to have the
financial freedom to allow women to choose to work or stay at home. As some
women have pointed out already, they have not had the choice to stay home or not
because of personal economic issues.
I find it interesting that the topic of whether or not Romney can relate to us
keeps coming up. I don't know that he has struggled to put food on the
table but I don't think Obama has either. Both candidates come from
successful families and to me that is appealing. To me, honest success is a
great thing. I don't think success means you can't relate to
others.I think it's great Ann could stay home. I was raised in
a single parent home. We were poor. I used my paper route money to help pay
bills, not every month, but often enough. I am about to graduate college and I
still help my mom with bills. We made it through because of family and
community support, not because of government run programs (some were good, like
subsidized school lunches). I saw government programs had a harder time
focusing on individuals than other organizations. For this reason, I support
shifting the burden of service away from government and towards community
organizations.Mainly, I am thankful to live in a nation where we
choose together how we wish to be governed.
Please people. This is a very shallow reporting of this issue. Read what
Hillary Rosen said before you jump to conclusions.By the way,
Hillary Rosen IS a mother of twins. She knows how hard a mother works.There is also a follow up blog today that she wrote explaining exactly what
she meant.Do not take this as the whole story. There is more...
@wildfan"Look, it's pretty obvious what happened here.
Obama's campaign used a "surrogate" for this comment to try to
widen the gap between Romney and women voters, and they come out publicly
against it"That's not obvious at all, Axelrod and other top
Obama surrogates/campaign officials criticized Rosen's comment.
Hey chuck, let us all know when your wife puches a clock to stop taking care of
kids at 2am. Btw, Ann and Mitt were living in a $62 a month apt in provo while
going to school after marriage. They lived the life of poor college students,
just as there are students today. Nothing was handed to them. (See an
interview done in 1994 for reference)There are so many false
comments from people who suggest because the Romney's are wealthy now, they
must have lived a life of luxury for the past 40 years. Let's all get a
clue and quit commenting on people's lives when we don't have the
facts to support it.
This is typical of the left's constant disparagement of women who choose to
be homemakers and raise children. Rosen did finally apologize, but only because
she was forced to. The Obama Campaign used her as a surrogate and it crashed.
Now, they have to back peddle like crazy. Some women have to work,
but many professional types work because they want to and because it is easier
to go out to work every day rather than take care of children. I spent many
years in Washington, D.C. and found that most women there cared more about their
professions than they did their children. I knew one woman lobbyist who was
about to deliver her third child. I told her I was sorry that she couldn't
stay home with her kids. Her reply was, "Oh, I couldn't stand to stay
home with them. I'd much rather be working."Rosen is one
of those "Washington types" who see no value in the work of mothers--so
typical of the far left. They even make fun of the title "homemaker."
Wondering how Ms. Romney can relate to a woman who also has five children, but
who doesn't have a husband bringing home $19,000 a day?Can she relate
to the woman who will do what ever job she can find that provides the health
insurance for her family? Can she relate to a husband who has been downsized and
can work, but now works for employers who pay him much less and do not provide
benefits? Can she relate to the woman who has contracted the same health issues
she has, but now can no longer work?Can she relate to the family who
because of these problems can no longer afford their home and living
this whole controversy just shows the disdain dems, including female dems, have
for motherhood and the positive influence moms can and should have on their
When you look in the dictionary under the word for wife: n. 1.Queen, having
eminence or supremecy in a given domain and personified as a woman. In chess, it
is the most powerful piece. 2.Priestess to husband.Remember, Ann is
the one who told her husband to "go fix the country". Most women just
tell their husbands to "go fix the plumbing".
I have raised 9 children of my own, and helped raise 4 step-children. Part of
the time I've been able to be at home with the kids, but much of the past
25 years I've had to work. Some of my jobs have been ones I didn't
like, such as a motel maid, but I did that because I could take my kids with me.
We worked together for 5 years until I was able to get a job at the school as a
teacher's aide. Better job, with benefits, and I was where my children
were. I would have preferred to be a stay-at-home mom always, but even with my
husband's job, it was not possible financially. I do not resent Ann Romney
for being able to be a stay-at-home mother. I'm happy for her. Each mother
and family has a different set of circumstances, and we shouldn't criticize
each other for the choices we have to make...to work, or to not work...but
instead give each other all the support we can. I'll never be rich, but my
greatest treasures call me "Mom".
One other note. I think of this reporter's treatment of Mrs. Romney like
the Utah Legislature looks at Utah's Public School Teachers. The
legislature treats the dedicated and most highly valued public teaching
profession as low class citizens. Most of these teachers do what Mrs. Romney
does plus being a school teacher. These Utah teachers are stake presidents,
bishops, leaders in Boy Scouts, Young Women, teachers and advisers, etc. and are
not just low class citizens. The values these teachers bring to the classroom
are the highest. The reporter was wrong and since she is not apologetic in her
behavior, attitude nor profession, that shows you how much value she has on
human character and high moral issues.
Bro. Schroeder "All she did was raise her kids. Not punched a time
clock"There were so many days when I was a stay at home mom of 5
that I wished I could have clocked out at the end of each day - and I
wasn't struggling with difficult, life threatening health issues. Truthseeker - yes it is harder on women to do both jobs at the same time, but
that does not exclude Ann Romney from having legitimate opinions on the subject.
To use the same logic your opinions would be excluded automatically if you
happened to be a working male.All of us struggle in this life. No
one is exempt. To think the wealthy are somehow an exception is incorrect.
Ann Romney has been the wife of a Governor, the head of the 2002 Winter Olympics
and of an effective and very efficient businessman. She was the wife of a Stake
President and Bishop besides having her own callings along the way in the LDS
Church and supporting many activities over the years with five children. Most
women don't have that kind of responsibility and unpaid responsibility in
most of the cases. She still had to meet all the schedules of a busy family
along with the formal activities required of a spouse (unfunded mandate) in any
governmental, church and volunteer organization. The rigors of the campaigns
she has been involved with since the 1990s and her MS illness is such a pioneer
spirit to keep on going. These people that defame her and attempt to deride her
are out of bounds if they had any knowledge of what all these things involved
that she has devoted her life to. Mrs. Romney displays the highest dignity and
integrity and should not be questioned about those things she has done in her
life to better humanity and our nation's goals set by our founding fathers.
She is pure American.
Look, it's pretty obvious what happened here. Obama's campaign used a
"surrogate" for this comment to try to widen the gap between Romney and
women voters, and they come out publicly against it. Well orchestrated if not
obvious politics.The Romneys do enjoy privilege, because they worked
their tails off for it. They had support but what they have they earned, the
exact opposite of the Obama philosophy.
If we're going to be honest about the issue of not working outside the home
and family, then we must apply this to men as well!Would you vote
for: 1. A woman whose husband was a "house-husband"? 2.
A man who was a house-husband?I dare say here in Utah virtually no
man would vote for either.So, how do we frame the Ann Romney issue?
Or is it easier to just ignore the sheer gender
Dem advisor: stupid commentre:Nan BWAnn Romney was the one who
encouraged her husband to run for president so, sorry, she opted to work hard,
give up her leisure and private life. Yes, being a mother can be
hard work--even harder if one has to work 40+ hrs/wk and worry if there will be
enough for the family to eat, get medical care, pay the electric bill and pay
for transportation. I don't buy that the Romney's know
what it is like to struggle. Their many comments, insinuating they struggled,
reveal as much. And Romney's policies are just going to make it harder for
the people who are barely making it.
Rosen's comments were very unfortunate. But I am even more surprised that
she failed to apologize. If she wants to make a point about mom's who have
to also work outside of the home, that is fine. If she wants to say that Ann
Romney is not really Mitt's econ advisor, I guess that's OK too if he
has claimed she is. But she needs to apologize for saying that Mrs. Romney
"never worked a day in her life" because that is clearly untrue and
hurtful.On another note: this is the sort of thing campaigns need
to watch out for...supporters, surrogates and quasi-surrogates saying crazy
things. Both Gov. ROmney and President Obama better watch out because their are
a lot of nuts with a bone to pick this year and people will be trying to pin
their statements on the candidates themselves.
Re: ". . . Romney 'never worked a day in her life'"And Democrats like to say Republicans are out of touch!
It's amazing to read so much envy! Many women choose to stay and do
the hardest, the most thankless (at least while they are doing it) job, that
never ends. You don't punch a clock at the end of the day and walk out.
You stay and continue to take care of all those under your wing. Thank goodness
there are people like Ann. It doesn't matter if she had money or not, if
you look at most of the working women on tv, in the movies, on the radio, they
have plenty, but they choose to let others raise their children. Obama was
making over $300,000, but he says they couldn't afford to have Michele stay
home. It's funny that those who seem to want to identify as Bro,
etc., have no idea about the teachings of the LDS Church, and how important the
role of mother really is.
I will be sure to tell my mom--who raised 11 kids--that she needs to get a real
job.Some of the comments on here are down-right insulting.My
mom raised 6 boys and 5 girls. Of those came:6 missionaries9 temple
marriages (so far)5 Eagle Scouts25 grandchildren (so far)--2 are
already Eagle Scouts.To say that just because she was rich and
didn't have to worry about food for her family means she didn't work
is completely ludicrous.I guess Michelle Obama--Law Degree and VERY
wealthy as well has never worked.Oh wait, she has a degree, that must mean
something right?To top it off, Ann Romney has MS. Look it up you
folks who don't understand what that disease does to you. She has worked
harder than most of you people who make comments on this board. Get a
I had ten years of not having a job outside the home. During that time my spouse
was the mayor of a fast growing Utah town for four years, and then had a
governor appointed position, in addition to regular employment. Those ten years
were harder than the ones when I've had employment and had children home
too. I also learned more about political issues, and many other issues during
that time. I wouldn't trade places with Ann R. because she has been married
to a political leader and business man, very hard tasks.Bro Chuck S,
you need to get a clue!
I've never been fortunate to be a stay-at-home Mom, something I've
always wanted to be able to do. I've had to work hard outside of the home
to support my family. But that doesn't mean that Moms like Ann Romney
don't know what's going on in the world nor are ignorant to the ways
of the world. Just because a woman does not work outside of the home does not
mean she is any less than one who does work outside of the home. The Democrat
adviser who said such an insipid thing has clearly drawn the line and has shown
her stripes regarding the "new" role of women. I have this to say:
what is wrong with the traditional one?
Families of candidates should be off-limits, out of bounds, end of story,
period. I don't care if it is Michelle Obama, Sarah Palin's daughter,
Mitt Romney's wife, or Jimmy Carter's brother. Going after family is
one of the most classless things that can be done in politics, and I'm glad
President Obama's campaign said so as well. Kudos to them for disagreeing
with Rosen's statement.
I cannot believe the previous comments! You have to work in the "real
world" to know what's going on? Give me a break! Sounds like a bunch
of jealous people.
@brother chuck schroeder, "all she did was raise her kids", too bad more
parents haven't raised their kids in the responsible way that she has.
Let's get real. Do you think the people running for office in this country
came out of the slums? The class warfare has to stop.
Ann Romney has always lived a life of privilege and opulence. She has never had
to worry from where her next meal would come nor from where the money would come
to put a roof over her head. She has no experience with the real world that the
majority of women in the United States face. She has the experience to talk
about the concerns of the top 1%, but NOT the concerns that the majority of
women deal with.Nobody doubts that raising children is a tough job.
BUT most women, unlike Ann Romney, have to both raise their children and work to
support them. She has no experience with that. As the comment accurately
stated, Ann Romney has never had to work outside the home; therefore she has no
knowledge or experience concerning the real issues most women face. She does
not have the creditials to be Mitt Romney's cheif advisers concerning real
world women and women's issues.Mitt's programs and
policies would be disastrous for women. He had better get a clue.
She was born with a silver spoon also. All she did was raise her kids. Not
punched a time clock.1. Romney's positions are the most
radically anti-women of any candidate in a generation: He supports banning all
abortions, backed a so-called "personhood" amendment that could make
certain forms of birth control illegal, and says he would "get rid of"
federal funding for Planned Parenthood that provides preventive services like
cancer screenings for millions of women.2. Romney would repeal
Obamacare. Insurance companies would once again be allowed to run up premiums,
unjustifiably deny coverage for pre-existing conditions, drop patients when they
get sick, discriminate against women by charging them more for coverage than
men, and spend more of your premium dollars on CEO profits and bonuses instead
of your actual health care.3. Romney is a risk when it comes to
foreign policy and national security. On many of these questions, he has shifted
his position for political reason.4. Despite the lessons of recent
history, Romney would double down on the disastrous tax policies that handed
windfalls to the wealthy, Under Romney, millionaires and billionaires would get
huge tax cuts.
Not to sound as if I agree with the statement... I'm curious if she's
had a "job" outside the home? Before you go wild and blast
me... I agree that there is no greater calling in life than that of a parent. I
wish more parents would take a greater interest in that responsibility. If she
has been fortunate enough to be a "stay home Mom" that's a blessing
in her life.