Broom Hockey ChampThe Foster and Collinsworth examples are different
than the Hearlihy situation, but there is a similarity in that scholarships are
awarded on a yearly basis and both Foster and Collinsworth were kept on
scholarship even though they were both returning from injuries the previous
season and there was no guarantee that either of them would be able to play in
phoenix,Using Foster or Collinsworth as examples in this argument is
not really comparing apples to apples. Both Foster and Collinsworth were
already enrolled students at their repective schools when the injuries took
place. Hearlihy was not.In any event, this is another black eye for
the lil' band o' bros. I'm not sure how much of a pounding
lil' bro can take before he won't be able to ever stand up again. The
U basketball program has become a bigger train wreck than Lindsay Lohan.
@drute"Even from a layman's perspective, certainly the U
has the right to expect that a full scholarhip player can perform within the
limits of reasonable medical liability."From a layman's
perspective, remind us again how many many minutes full scholarship player David
Foster played this past season.Full scholarship player Chris
Collinsworth played 12 minutes TOTAL for BYU this past season and 147 minutes
TOTAL in 2010-11.Injuries happen, sometimes before a player even
steps foot on the court or the playing field.Stop making excuses and
trying to justify what everyone not blinded by Ute homerism can plainly see;
that this was classless move by a coach whose promises are meaningless.
Anybody heard from Howard S? Just yesterday he was all about posting on articles
talking about kids being released from scholarships. Wonder what changed...?
@druteLOI's are all the same, that is a requirement of the
NCAA. Your laughable attempts to try and sound like a lawyer are definately
amusing but they do nothing to further your argument. According to the kid
krystkowiak told him he wanted him to voluntarily back out of his scholarship.
According to krystkowiak himself he has been pressuring this kid to do it since
February going so far as to tell the kid he had no future at utah if he
didn't. It may not be illegal or even worthy of civil action, I doubt it
is, but it is definately classless and a PR problem to anyone not blinded by ute
homerism like yourself.
DrUteSince you seem to be so knowledgeable, please enlighten us with
the exact wording of Hearlihy's NLI that allows the U to cancel the NLI
because of health-related issues.The truth is, there is no such
escape clause in Hearlihy's NLI and you know it.
DrUte"I did not see in your comment that you had personal,
first-hand opportunity to review the particular NLI in question."Despite your fancy words ad hominem attacks, your statement proves just how
clueless you really are about the whole signing process. There is no
such thing as a "particular" NLI. It's a standard nationwide
agreement which, once signed, is legally binding on both the athlete and the
school. That's why the U asked Hearlihy to request a nullification of the
NLI, because the U's "legal counsel" knew that the school could be
sued for breach of contract if it tried to unilaterally rescind the contract.
@ Royalblu:Sigh, another blue troll.I did not see in
your comment that you had personal, first-hand opportunity to review the
particular NLI in question. Barring that, your comment is pure supposition.In effect, to state that every BB NLI for every institution for every
signee is the same throughout the US of A for every and any aspect of the NLI
agreement, that in your august mind no modification has ever been agreed to or
is legally acceptable, is patently absurd.Must be more of the
"class" Rushmore was talking about that has led to the LA Times instead
of some other pathway to resolution.Fugas.
@ Rushmore:You rush to judgment. I wouldn't assume
that releasing a statement to the LA Times is the brainchild of a high school
senior, nor would I assume the negative PR tactic was chosen due to some form of
""class" (your word). Not very likely.One thing I WOULD
assume is that the University's legal position has been reviewed
internally, and both the athletic department and the University's legal
counsel supports this action. That would take it out of any blogger's
domain. It is what it is.In addition, the dialog concerning this
action has been reported as ongoing since February. That's a bit more than
24 hours. We ARE hearing that Coach K is observing the
player's right to medical privacy, that he's attempting to assist the
young man, and this is apparently an issue that surfaced in full bloom AFTER the
signing.Even from a layman's perspective, certainly the U has
the right to expect that a full scholarhip player can perform within the limits
of reasonable medical liability.There's no slam dunk here.Coach K, lots of us out here support you, DRIVE ON.
DrUte"Do a bit more homework, Jeff. Don't embarass your
organization.Until someone comes up with a definitive explanation
not based on supposition, the University's position is based on a medical
disqualification, as I read it. Show me something different that's not a
rumor."Look who's embarrassing himself. There's
ABSOLUTELY NO PROVISION in the National Letter of Intent for a school to rescind
a legally signed NLI based on a medical disqualification. The school is solely
responsible for determining the health of an athlete before the NLI is
signed.Stop making stuff up and embarrassing yourself.
"If an "ironclad situation", would you not suspect that during
negotiations in February some discussion of possible legal action would have
been involved,..."That's one of the poorest excuses for a
legal argument I've read in a long time.If Herlihy decided to
press the issue, the Utes would either have to honor the scholarship offer, or
face a lawsuit for breach of contract.Luckily for the Utes, Herlihy
has more class than to try to force his way into a situation where he's not
Dr. Ute"I haven't seen posted any walk-aways or scholarship
rejections to date due to this decision, so it appears the PR tsunami some are
describing is a nonevent"Krysto only reneged on his scholarship
offer yesterday!You must really be living in a dream world if you
believe that the storm is already over simply because there weren't any
repercussions within the first 24 hours.
@ Eisenburg:"Herlihy said to the LA Times" --- Still a
one-sided dialog.Surprising that someone ostensibly representing a
sports outlet would do so little investigation beyond Herlihy's position.
Certainly we all should expect that any statement made to the press must be
true... ?If an "ironclad situation", would you not suspect
that during negotiations in February some discussion of possible legal action
would have been involved, & would you not expect the University would have
caved OR had a defensible medical/legal position similar to the position USC
took recently that eventually cost them a 5-star recruit - you might remember,
you claim to be from "Troy Town".Do a bit more homework,
Jeff. Don't embarass your organization.Until someone comes up
with a definitive explanation not based on supposition, the University's
position is based on a medical disqualification, as I read it. Show me
something different that's not a rumor.
Dr Ute Ostrich Land"PR debacle? Nonsense. This was a contract
cancellation for cause, done in a professional manner."___________________________________Real WorldJosh
Hearlihy told the Los Angeles Times on Tuesday that Krystkowiak has asked him
not to come to Utah despite signing with the Utes in November. The 6-foot-7
forward averaged 12.6 points and 4.4 rebounds as a senior, but sat out half the
season as a result of a non-surgical treatment for a condition related to
growing too quickly.Although prospects back out of verbal
commitments all the time in recruiting when a more attractive offer comes along,
it's far more unusual for a school renege on an ironclad letter of intent
months after it was signed. Technically Hearlihy could still attend Utah and the
school would have no choice but to honor his scholarship offer, however,
Krystkowiak has made it clear that would be an uncomfortable situation.
Utah clearly decided that the PR damage of dumping Hearlihy was worth it
if it freed up a scholarship for a player the staff believes is more capable of
helping rebuild the program.--Jeff Eisenberg, Yahoo Sports
@ Duckhunter:Just for a minisecond contemplate the potential impact
of accepting a player with a known medical condition that has a significant
possibility of compromising not only the player's ability to function at
the D1 level, but also the University's liability in terms of accepting a
player for D1 BB play with a known medical debilitation.That's
the reason for the rescission in the materials that I've read, &
that's what I support. No responsible head coach or athletic department
could do otherwise.In addition, I haven't seen posted any
walk-aways or scholarship rejections to date due to this decision, so it appears
the PR tsunami some are describing is a nonevent.If you have a
published statement from anyone representing the University in an official
capacity that indicates this player's offer was rescinded solely due to his
comparative lack of skill & the opportunity to bring in some "better
player", I challenge you to present it.
@druteYes it is a PR debacle. We all understand that utah homers
like yourself will only ever see it through the narrow minded prism or utah
infallibility but to the rest of the actual thinking world it is an obviously
low class way to operate. I'm actually surprised by some of the utah fans
on here that see it as it really is. Kudo's to them.
Stuff & Nonsense. What PR "Nightmare"?Even the DN
stated (1) there was a significant medical issue, (2) Coach K was discussing the
situation 'way back in February with the family, (3) there are open
scholarship slots on the team, so this player was not dismissed on Monday &
another player installed on Tuesday, & (4) Coach K is showing forbearance by
not responding to his ill-advised public statement & thereby not advertising
his medical situation.I'd say we're seeing how serious
Coach K is about rebuilding the team, & one of the key issues associated
with D1 BB play is durability. Ask Southern Cal about their season this year
& why they struggled.While this player's situation is
regrettable, & certainly everyone would wish him well in terms of overcoming
his particular obstacles, Coach K also has to recognize the responsibility he
has to his staff, his players, and the University by placing the best available
5 players on the court.PR debacle? Nonsense. This was a contract
cancellation for cause, done in a professional manner. Tip of the
cap to a coach with The Right Stuff, I'm glad we have him!
SoonerUte, CO UteYou two can spin it any way that makes you feel
better, but bottom line, this is a huge black eye for the Utah basketball
program and a situation that creates a significant lack of trust in Coach
Krystkoviak that other recruiters will certainly use against Utah and that will
cost the Utes potential recruits.
Come on coach. Wins come with stability and commitment to others.
The conference of champions!
What?And I thought things could not get any worse.How
upset will coach get when some of the remaining players ask for their release to
go to another program?
A logical and rational person would look at this situation and realize there are
2 sides of the story. This kid is 6' 7" with a decent amount of
talent. The Utes have open scholarships. Even with the new kids coming into
the program, Hearlihy would have a chance to play (if healthy). For Coach K to
ask him to opt out of his scholarship and risk the PR nightmare, there must be
something else that is not being discussed. All the U bashers can post their
comments. But, do you really think Coach K can afford to walk away from this kid
without a very good reason?
I am starting to feel sorry for the program on the hill. The soap opera of
"who's next" goes on and on and on and on.
Nice to see the DNews hold off on this story until they had a more complete
picture. Some ran with the story when it was only Josh Hearlihy's
comments. Hate to see a kid miss out on his dream due to an injury. I can
understand a kid wanting to hide that kind of thing from a recuiter, but it will
be found out eventually.
It's like Deja Vu all over again.
This should really help utah's future recruiting.
Really, what message is this sending future recruits. The practice
of releasing current scholarships to improve talent is exploitive of athletes
that are subject to coaches and Universities keeping their promises. Florida,
Nebraska, Georgia Tech, Ohio State have all voiced disgust with this process. Huston Nut at Ole Miss defended the practice, he is now looking for
work and Ole Miss is in disarray. This appears to be common practice
in the PAC 12, USC currently has 77 football players signed with only 75
scholarships available. Not surprising to see the PAC 12 struggling to regain
past greatness. John Wooden never did and never would release a
player from his scholarship to improve team talent. He taught integrity by