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Utah Utes basketball: Utes ask recruit Josh Hearlihy to nullify offer

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  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    April 13, 2012 4:24 p.m.

    Broom Hockey Champ

    The Foster and Collinsworth examples are different than the Hearlihy situation, but there is a similarity in that scholarships are awarded on a yearly basis and both Foster and Collinsworth were kept on scholarship even though they were both returning from injuries the previous season and there was no guarantee that either of them would be able to play in 2011-12.

  • Broom Hockey Champ Alpine, UT
    April 13, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    phoenix,

    Using Foster or Collinsworth as examples in this argument is not really comparing apples to apples. Both Foster and Collinsworth were already enrolled students at their repective schools when the injuries took place. Hearlihy was not.

    In any event, this is another black eye for the lil' band o' bros. I'm not sure how much of a pounding lil' bro can take before he won't be able to ever stand up again. The U basketball program has become a bigger train wreck than Lindsay Lohan.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    April 12, 2012 10:25 p.m.

    @drute

    "Even from a layman's perspective, certainly the U has the right to expect that a full scholarhip player can perform within the limits of reasonable medical liability."

    From a layman's perspective, remind us again how many many minutes full scholarship player David Foster played this past season.

    Full scholarship player Chris Collinsworth played 12 minutes TOTAL for BYU this past season and 147 minutes TOTAL in 2010-11.

    Injuries happen, sometimes before a player even steps foot on the court or the playing field.

    Stop making excuses and trying to justify what everyone not blinded by Ute homerism can plainly see; that this was classless move by a coach whose promises are meaningless.

  • agb Layton, UT
    April 12, 2012 9:43 p.m.

    Anybody heard from Howard S? Just yesterday he was all about posting on articles talking about kids being released from scholarships. Wonder what changed...?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 12, 2012 9:36 p.m.

    @drute

    LOI's are all the same, that is a requirement of the NCAA. Your laughable attempts to try and sound like a lawyer are definately amusing but they do nothing to further your argument. According to the kid krystkowiak told him he wanted him to voluntarily back out of his scholarship. According to krystkowiak himself he has been pressuring this kid to do it since February going so far as to tell the kid he had no future at utah if he didn't. It may not be illegal or even worthy of civil action, I doubt it is, but it is definately classless and a PR problem to anyone not blinded by ute homerism like yourself.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    April 12, 2012 8:15 p.m.

    DrUte

    Since you seem to be so knowledgeable, please enlighten us with the exact wording of Hearlihy's NLI that allows the U to cancel the NLI because of health-related issues.

    The truth is, there is no such escape clause in Hearlihy's NLI and you know it.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    April 12, 2012 7:53 p.m.

    DrUte

    "I did not see in your comment that you had personal, first-hand opportunity to review the particular NLI in question."

    Despite your fancy words ad hominem attacks, your statement proves just how clueless you really are about the whole signing process.

    There is no such thing as a "particular" NLI. It's a standard nationwide agreement which, once signed, is legally binding on both the athlete and the school. That's why the U asked Hearlihy to request a nullification of the NLI, because the U's "legal counsel" knew that the school could be sued for breach of contract if it tried to unilaterally rescind the contract.

  • DrUte Woods Cross, UT
    April 12, 2012 3:59 p.m.

    @ Royalblu:

    Sigh, another blue troll.

    I did not see in your comment that you had personal, first-hand opportunity to review the particular NLI in question. Barring that, your comment is pure supposition.

    In effect, to state that every BB NLI for every institution for every signee is the same throughout the US of A for every and any aspect of the NLI agreement, that in your august mind no modification has ever been agreed to or is legally acceptable, is patently absurd.

    Must be more of the "class" Rushmore was talking about that has led to the LA Times instead of some other pathway to resolution.

    Fugas.

  • DrUte Woods Cross, UT
    April 12, 2012 3:47 p.m.

    @ Rushmore:

    You rush to judgment.

    I wouldn't assume that releasing a statement to the LA Times is the brainchild of a high school senior, nor would I assume the negative PR tactic was chosen due to some form of ""class" (your word). Not very likely.

    One thing I WOULD assume is that the University's legal position has been reviewed internally, and both the athletic department and the University's legal counsel supports this action. That would take it out of any blogger's domain. It is what it is.

    In addition, the dialog concerning this action has been reported as ongoing since February. That's a bit more than 24 hours.

    We ARE hearing that Coach K is observing the player's right to medical privacy, that he's attempting to assist the young man, and this is apparently an issue that surfaced in full bloom AFTER the signing.

    Even from a layman's perspective, certainly the U has the right to expect that a full scholarhip player can perform within the limits of reasonable medical liability.

    There's no slam dunk here.

    Coach K, lots of us out here support you, DRIVE ON.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    April 12, 2012 3:34 p.m.

    DrUte

    "Do a bit more homework, Jeff. Don't embarass your organization.

    Until someone comes up with a definitive explanation not based on supposition, the University's position is based on a medical disqualification, as I read it. Show me something different that's not a rumor."

    Look who's embarrassing himself. There's ABSOLUTELY NO PROVISION in the National Letter of Intent for a school to rescind a legally signed NLI based on a medical disqualification. The school is solely responsible for determining the health of an athlete before the NLI is signed.

    Stop making stuff up and embarrassing yourself.

  • Mt Rushmore Arlington, VA
    April 12, 2012 1:29 p.m.

    "If an "ironclad situation", would you not suspect that during negotiations in February some discussion of possible legal action would have been involved,..."

    That's one of the poorest excuses for a legal argument I've read in a long time.

    If Herlihy decided to press the issue, the Utes would either have to honor the scholarship offer, or face a lawsuit for breach of contract.

    Luckily for the Utes, Herlihy has more class than to try to force his way into a situation where he's not wanted.

  • Mt Rushmore Arlington, VA
    April 12, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    Dr. Ute

    "I haven't seen posted any walk-aways or scholarship rejections to date due to this decision, so it appears the PR tsunami some are describing is a nonevent"

    Krysto only reneged on his scholarship offer yesterday!

    You must really be living in a dream world if you believe that the storm is already over simply because there weren't any repercussions within the first 24 hours.

  • DrUte Woods Cross, UT
    April 12, 2012 12:50 p.m.

    @ Eisenburg:

    "Herlihy said to the LA Times" --- Still a one-sided dialog.

    Surprising that someone ostensibly representing a sports outlet would do so little investigation beyond Herlihy's position. Certainly we all should expect that any statement made to the press must be true... ?

    If an "ironclad situation", would you not suspect that during negotiations in February some discussion of possible legal action would have been involved, & would you not expect the University would have caved OR had a defensible medical/legal position similar to the position USC took recently that eventually cost them a 5-star recruit - you might remember, you claim to be from "Troy Town".

    Do a bit more homework, Jeff. Don't embarass your organization.

    Until someone comes up with a definitive explanation not based on supposition, the University's position is based on a medical disqualification, as I read it. Show me something different that's not a rumor.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    April 12, 2012 12:22 p.m.

    Dr Ute Ostrich Land

    "PR debacle? Nonsense. This was a contract cancellation for cause, done in a professional manner."

    ___________________________________

    Real World

    Josh Hearlihy told the Los Angeles Times on Tuesday that Krystkowiak has asked him not to come to Utah despite signing with the Utes in November. The 6-foot-7 forward averaged 12.6 points and 4.4 rebounds as a senior, but sat out half the season as a result of a non-surgical treatment for a condition related to growing too quickly.

    Although prospects back out of verbal commitments all the time in recruiting when a more attractive offer comes along, it's far more unusual for a school renege on an ironclad letter of intent months after it was signed. Technically Hearlihy could still attend Utah and the school would have no choice but to honor his scholarship offer, however, Krystkowiak has made it clear that would be an uncomfortable situation.

    Utah clearly decided that the PR damage of dumping Hearlihy was worth it if it freed up a scholarship for a player the staff believes is more capable of helping rebuild the program.

    --Jeff Eisenberg, Yahoo Sports

  • DrUte Woods Cross, UT
    April 12, 2012 11:42 a.m.

    @ Duckhunter:

    Just for a minisecond contemplate the potential impact of accepting a player with a known medical condition that has a significant possibility of compromising not only the player's ability to function at the D1 level, but also the University's liability in terms of accepting a player for D1 BB play with a known medical debilitation.

    That's the reason for the rescission in the materials that I've read, & that's what I support. No responsible head coach or athletic department could do otherwise.

    In addition, I haven't seen posted any walk-aways or scholarship rejections to date due to this decision, so it appears the PR tsunami some are describing is a nonevent.

    If you have a published statement from anyone representing the University in an official capacity that indicates this player's offer was rescinded solely due to his comparative lack of skill & the opportunity to bring in some "better player", I challenge you to present it.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 12, 2012 9:22 a.m.

    @drute

    Yes it is a PR debacle. We all understand that utah homers like yourself will only ever see it through the narrow minded prism or utah infallibility but to the rest of the actual thinking world it is an obviously low class way to operate. I'm actually surprised by some of the utah fans on here that see it as it really is. Kudo's to them.

  • DrUte Woods Cross, UT
    April 12, 2012 7:55 a.m.

    Stuff & Nonsense. What PR "Nightmare"?

    Even the DN stated (1) there was a significant medical issue, (2) Coach K was discussing the situation 'way back in February with the family, (3) there are open scholarship slots on the team, so this player was not dismissed on Monday & another player installed on Tuesday, & (4) Coach K is showing forbearance by not responding to his ill-advised public statement & thereby not advertising his medical situation.

    I'd say we're seeing how serious Coach K is about rebuilding the team, & one of the key issues associated with D1 BB play is durability. Ask Southern Cal about their season this year & why they struggled.

    While this player's situation is regrettable, & certainly everyone would wish him well in terms of overcoming his particular obstacles, Coach K also has to recognize the responsibility he has to his staff, his players, and the University by placing the best available 5 players on the court.

    PR debacle? Nonsense. This was a contract cancellation for cause, done in a professional manner.

    Tip of the cap to a coach with The Right Stuff, I'm glad we have him!

  • Utah Alum Orem, UT
    April 12, 2012 6:49 a.m.

    SoonerUte, CO Ute

    You two can spin it any way that makes you feel better, but bottom line, this is a huge black eye for the Utah basketball program and a situation that creates a significant lack of trust in Coach Krystkoviak that other recruiters will certainly use against Utah and that will cost the Utes potential recruits.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    April 11, 2012 11:38 p.m.

    Come on coach. Wins come with stability and commitment to others.

  • millerdu PROVO, UT
    April 11, 2012 10:45 p.m.

    The conference of champions!

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    April 11, 2012 10:16 p.m.

    What?

    And I thought things could not get any worse.

    How upset will coach get when some of the remaining players ask for their release to go to another program?

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    April 11, 2012 9:07 p.m.

    A logical and rational person would look at this situation and realize there are 2 sides of the story. This kid is 6' 7" with a decent amount of talent. The Utes have open scholarships. Even with the new kids coming into the program, Hearlihy would have a chance to play (if healthy). For Coach K to ask him to opt out of his scholarship and risk the PR nightmare, there must be something else that is not being discussed. All the U bashers can post their comments. But, do you really think Coach K can afford to walk away from this kid without a very good reason?

  • Kiboo South Jordan, Utah
    April 11, 2012 8:59 p.m.

    I am starting to feel sorry for the program on the hill. The soap opera of "who's next" goes on and on and on and on.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    April 11, 2012 8:46 p.m.

    Nice to see the DNews hold off on this story until they had a more complete picture. Some ran with the story when it was only Josh Hearlihy's comments. Hate to see a kid miss out on his dream due to an injury. I can understand a kid wanting to hide that kind of thing from a recuiter, but it will be found out eventually.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    April 11, 2012 8:37 p.m.

    It's like Deja Vu all over again.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 11, 2012 8:30 p.m.

    This should really help utah's future recruiting.

  • Elk Hair Caddis Sandy, UT
    April 11, 2012 8:21 p.m.

    Really, what message is this sending future recruits.

    The practice of releasing current scholarships to improve talent is exploitive of athletes that are subject to coaches and Universities keeping their promises. Florida, Nebraska, Georgia Tech, Ohio State have all voiced disgust with this process.

    Huston Nut at Ole Miss defended the practice, he is now looking for work and Ole Miss is in disarray.

    This appears to be common practice in the PAC 12, USC currently has 77 football players signed with only 75 scholarships available. Not surprising to see the PAC 12 struggling to regain past greatness.

    John Wooden never did and never would release a player from his scholarship to improve team talent. He taught integrity by example.