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  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    April 11, 2012 11:01 p.m.

    It is interesting that the liberals here think Mitt Romney has zero chance of beating Obama. Obama has NO economic record to run on. He is frantically trying to divert voter's attention to anything other than the economy.

    At this same point in 1980, Ronald Reagan trailed Jimmy Carter by 20 points. Carter tried to make Reagan out to be a crazy right-wing nut who couldn't be trusted with nukes. How well did THAT strategy work out for the Democrats?

    Barack Obama does not deserve re-election. We all know it. He knows it. And he knows that we know it. So now his strategy is to talk about tax 'fairness' instead of proposing solutions that will work.

    President Mitt Romney. Get used to it.

  • Ray E. LITTLETON, CO
    April 11, 2012 6:58 p.m.

    Mike in Texas:
    What an ignorant, unfounded remark, that the 1% has "decimated the middle class." In spite of what your hero Joe Biden says (that millionaires don't own businesses), it is the 1% (business owners) which provides jobs, health care and retirement savings for the middle class. The past 20 years in America have been the most prosperous the world has ever known, interrupted only by 9/11 and the burst of the housing bubble. Rather than providing the "hope and change" promised, Obama has perpetuated the problem with his spending spree.

    Furthermore, even if the personal capital gains tax was increased from 15% to 50%, as Democrats are attempting to do, the additional amount collected by the IRS would be $47 billion, which would not make a dent in the deficit Obama continues to run up. Neither would it help balance the budget given the fact that Obamacare and other proposed social programs would eat it up in mere months.

    Interesting: Clueless Obama finally suggested lowering the tax rate on businesses to 28%, once he saw the public responding well to similar solutions presented by Republican candidates in their debates. We need him out of office.

  • Ray E. LITTLETON, CO
    April 11, 2012 6:52 p.m.

    Mike in Texas:
    What a stupid, unfounded remark, that the 1% has "decimated the middle class." In spite of what your hero Joe Biden says (that millionaires don't own businesses), it IS the 1% (business owners) who provide jobs, health care and retirement savings for the middle class. The past 20 years in America have been the most prosperous the world has ever known, interrupted only by 9/11 and the burst of the housing bubble. Rather than providing the "hope and change" promised, Obama has perpetuated the problem with his spending spree.

    Furthermore, even if the personal capital gains tax was increased from 15% to 50%, as Democrats are attempting to do, the additional amount collected by the IRS would be $47 billion, which would not make a dent in the deficit Obama continues to run up. Neither would it help balance the budget given the fact that Obamacare and other proposed social programs would eat it up in mere months.

    Interesting: Cluelees Obama finally suggested lowering the tax rate on businesses to 28%, once he saw the public responding well to similar solutions presented by Republican candidates in their debates. We need him out of office.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    April 11, 2012 4:46 p.m.

    Re:LostinDC
    One-third of America's independently-owned television stations have vanished since 1975, while at the same time, three media giants now own all of the major cable news networks in America. Before the The Telecommunications Act of 1996 lifted ownership limits for radio stations one company could own no more than 40 stations nationwide. The Act allowed incredible consolidation of radio station ownership and one company alone, Clear Channel Inc., now owns nearly 1,200 radio stations across the country. Here is what radio media consolidation has wrought:
    91% of the programming (2,570 hours per weekday) was hosted by the conservatives, 9% (254 hours) by the progressives.
    Broken down according to station ownership, the numbers are as follows: Clear Channel: 86% conservative programming. Citadel: 100% conservative programming. Cumulus: 100% conservative programming. Salem: 100% conservative programming. CBS stands out from the rest politically, but still shows a 3:1 conservative-to-progressive ratio.
    In some markets (most notably, New York and Chicago), the ratio is close to 1:1. In others (Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Philadelphia, it's 100% conservative or very close to it.)

  • SLMG Murtoa Australia, Victoria
    April 11, 2012 4:35 p.m.

    I do not agree with some of Romney's policies but my main reason for not voting for him is that he is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Before you fall off your computer in a faint let me explain, I am a lifetime member of the LDS Church in good standing, having a Mormon in the office of President is going to make it a pretty hard go on all members of the Church. Regardless of What happens in this country under a Romney administration be it good, bad or indifferent there are would be many and the media that are not going to blame Romney but the church. It will be a very tough going for the church and the Missionaries in the field. God's will, will prevail!

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    April 11, 2012 2:26 p.m.

    atl134
    the .999% was the hyperbole. Thought that should have been fairly obvious. sheesh

    But I see you have no problem with my categorization of NBC, ABC, CBS, NYT, LAT, Boston Globe, CNN, HNL, Time, Newsweek, and US News & World Reports as dem lapdog media.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    April 11, 2012 1:32 p.m.

    @lost in DC

    " 99.999% of all US newspapers and the rest of the dems' lapdog media?"

    Is that an actual statistic or some made up hyperbole? Sheesh.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 11, 2012 12:55 p.m.

    @JiminSLC
    "Romney may know how to create jobs, but Bain destroyed more jobs than it created, and Massachusetts was 47th in job creation while he was governor."

    In Romney's defense (who I hope loses this election), and in criticism of Huntsman (someone I like whose state was #1 in job creation when he was governor), a lot of that is a function of birth rate. Massachusetts is one of the lowest while Utah is the highest for birth rate, which means that the job creation rate in Utah has to be much higher than Massachusetts for them to both be equivalent in terms of jobs vs need for jobs due to more people getting into adulthood.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    April 11, 2012 12:42 p.m.

    atl134

    if MSNBC has made themselves the equivalent of Fox, what is the conservative version of NBC? ABC? CBS? NYT? LAT? Boston Globe? CNN? HNL? Time, Newsweek? US News & World Reports? 99.999% of all US newspapers and the rest of the dems' lapdog media?

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    April 11, 2012 12:40 p.m.

    As has been pointed out by some here, Romney came by his riches legally. However, just because something is legal does not make it right. Bain Capital acquired a lot of money at the expense of the workers of the companies that they bought and plundered. It may have been legal but I consider the taking a companies pension funds as theft.

    I have yet to hear from Romney the direction that he would lead the country. He has said one of the first things he will do is repeal the death tax? How does that help the average Joe? I doesn't. How does that help Mr. Romney? It keeps tens of millions of dollars in his families possession.

    Romney may know how to create jobs, but Bain destroyed more jobs than it created, and Massachusetts was 47th in job creation while he was governor.

    The Obama campaign machine is going to have a field day running commercials exposing areas of Romney's past that he would probably rather not be revealed. I hope the Supreme Court justices find Obamacare unconstitutional as I fear that we are stuck with Obama for a second term.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 11, 2012 12:19 p.m.

    @kiaoraguy
    "look for info on MSNBC's plan to 'investigate' the LDS Church and Racism"

    I saw the piece on that and Mitchell's segment transcript. It's a very fair question to ask someone who spent his entire 20s in a church that had a race-based policy of significance in it what his feelings were being part of an entity with such a thing at that time. Now that the general election is 10% black vs .5% black (seriously, 1/3 black Mississippi was only 2% black in the GOP primary) this is going to be more of an issue. Huntsman renounced the priesthood ban, Romney's going to have to do so too if he wants to get rid of the questions on this matter. I think the priesthood ban is the only "Mormon-issue" that'll have any traction/effect at all.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    April 11, 2012 11:44 a.m.

    Hats off to Chaffetz and his cronies. After years of attacking Obama every day in every way, they find the old attacks just don't get it done. The answer? Attack him again, this time over attacks in the future FROM him that may never happen at all. It's a preemptive attack in the form of a whine, and they get DN to print it even though it's so far just speculation.

    I guess it's like trying to get lions to try cream of wheat for breakfast, but if Chaffetz & Co. had any sense of fairness, they would only respond to ACTUAL attacks with some FACTS of their own. Money is no problem. SCOTUS has opened the door to million dollar ANONYMOUS donors, and Karl Rove now has a quarter BILLION he can spend any way he likes.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 11, 2012 11:38 a.m.

    @Fitness Freak
    "and MASSIVE voter fraud perpetrated by organized labor and groups like ACORN and La Raza"

    I think there have been more Indiana appointees by Governor Mitch Daniels convicted of voter fraud than ACORN employees (voter registration fraud is not the same as voter fraud). You lost... get over it, and leave your secret combination nonsense out of it.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 11, 2012 11:36 a.m.

    @kiaoraguy
    "Since I can't post the link, look for info on MSNBC's plan to 'investigate' the LDS Church and Racism--a clear indicator that an unbiased news organization has an agenda...do you recall an effort by the same 'news' organization to investigate Rev. Wright's racist statements? "

    They've really made themselves the equivalent of Fox lately, since Fox of course investigated everything under the sun about Wright, Obama's muslim-connections, the birther issue...

  • RyanWhiting OREM, UT
    April 11, 2012 11:27 a.m.

    It will be important for the decent, common man to speak up and make his opinion know during this election cycle. Since Pres. Obama has taken it upon himself to speak for the entire middle and lower class, it is important that we raise our voices if and when we do not agree with him. Don't let someone else speak for you, let your voice be heard. Let those around you through forums, polls, blogs, etc. etc. know that you do not agree with Pres. Obama's stances and that as a middle and lower class citizen you demand answers for our growing debt problem, untenable government programs, and the overreach of the federal government. We need to be the voice of the middle and lower class, not a President who would just use it for his own political purposes.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    April 11, 2012 11:11 a.m.

    Romney is the poster boy for the skewing of the tax system which greatly benefits a small but very wealthy segment of the U.S. population. Romney will not release any more tax returns for prior years because clues from the current released tax returns show that very likely he paid an even lower rate than 15%.

    Bain didn't buy "failing businesses" they bought under-capitalized, under-performing businesses, loaded them up with debt, charged millions in management fees, then spun them off, pocketing more money. Sometimes the businesses couldn't overcome the increased debt burden and folded. BTW, Clear Channel, which carries Limbaugh's show, is currently owned by Bain.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 11, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    Re: JimmyJackJohnJones Jonestown, TX

    If our economy improves between now and November Obama will win a second term. If our economy hits the skids for any reason, any reason whatsoever, Obama is toast.

    Cross your fingers and hope Israel doesn't strike Iran later this spring or early summer. That would put gas prices through the roof and send the stock market into a major dive.

    "It's the economy stupid" if the slogan than will tie a can on Obama's tail.

  • JimmyJackJohnJones Jonestown, TX
    April 11, 2012 10:19 a.m.

    Romney has zero chance of becoming president. I think Joe Scarborough summed it up best, a few mornings ago, when he said something to the effect of "can we just say it? Mitt Romney is never going to beat Obama, so it's time to start planning for 2016". The rest of his guests pretty much all agreed, and they went on to talk about 2016. It's already game over. No serious political analyst treats Romney as a serious threat to Obama's second term. Sorry folks.

  • Mike in Texas Cedar City, Utah
    April 11, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    "deep in thought". The issue you raised was whether or not Obama is conducting conducting "class warfare" by discussing the increasing wealth of the top 1% vs the static share of national wealth held by the rest of us. The top 400 most wealthy persons in the United States control more wealth than all other citizens collectively. I'm not sure of your comparative tax figures, but I do know that we need to get the country moving away from deficit spending, and that cannot be done just by cutting social programs that primarily benefit the old, disabled, and disadvantaged. Success will only come with fairness and balance, and believe me, the super wealthy can afford to pay a little more in taxes But Romney and Ryan want to give the super wealthy even more tax advantages.

    "When you don't have a good answer as to why they should not pay more, you must find a slogan and that slogan is class warfare" L. O'Donnell.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    April 11, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    If Obama is not re-elected, do not worry about him, he has already been offered a gig in Vegas to do a magic show with smoke and mirrors.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    April 11, 2012 9:28 a.m.

    Pres. Romney WILL win easily if he can overcome two things:

    A lamestream media controlled entirely by liberal Democrats, and MASSIVE voter fraud perpetrated by organized labor and groups like ACORN and La Raza; and investigated by NO ONE!

    Does anyone wonder WHY Eric Holder DOESN'T WANT states to ask for I.D. to vote?

  • Something to think about Ogden, UT
    April 11, 2012 9:24 a.m.

    It will be ugly... Romney will get a full dose of what he's given his fellow Republicans... negative and slanted advertising. I hope he's as generous in his language with the Democratic Super PACs as he was with his own Super PACs. I hope the Romney supporters are the same... what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 11, 2012 9:15 a.m.

    Mountain Man.... I would love to not send them anymoney... but they pooched up the economy, over extended themselves so much, and basically put themselves into a position of insolvency that we the people, in order to protect our economic system had to send them Billions upon Billions of dollars to keep the economy flowing.

    How in the world could you have missed the last 5 years. In 2006, the housing market began to be sick because of trash loans being created, that became "financial investment instruments" that not even the smartest of the smart could figure out the paper trail behind. In 2008, the housing market tanked because money was shut off, because the banks balance sheets were upside down. This resulted in literally millions loosing their jobs. The stock market dropped to 50% of its value in the last year of Bush's term... not his fault... it was a long time coming.

    How anyone can't see how they are paying still today to support a business style that nearly crushed the world economy is beyond me.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    April 11, 2012 9:11 a.m.

    What is ironic is that the President himself is a millionaire before being President and with President Clinton as an example will make millions with book deals, etc. after being President. George Romney, earned his money from good business deals. The President made his advances from getting taxpayers money and the benefit of educational loans for the disadvantaged. He took advantage of that process and has through the various community action projects to get noticed. During the last campaign, he took down Hilliary Clinton, one of the most able women in politics this past 100 years in the United States of America. Bill was her mentor and she learned lots of tricks but Obama took her to task and won. Governor Romney and his astute advisers know what and who they are dealing with for the rest of the campaign. The President has staged his whole campaign people in Chicago so they can do the best damage and also damage control in the place that Lincoln took control of his rivals. It won't be Lincoln but Obama has been waiting to unleash his dogs on Governor Romney for a long time. Every word the President uses is calculated carefully

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    April 11, 2012 8:40 a.m.

    Funny how BO’s spokesman says they won’t let Romney and his special interests buy the presidency with negative ads. No, THEY will buy the presidency with negative ads with their already finely tuned ability to lie and 12 times as much money.

    BO’s campaign says a candidate’s religion is out of bounds. Is that to prevent blow-back from his association with Jeremiah Wright? Of course, while his official campaign may not say anything about Romney’s religion, you know they will not condemn supporters like MSNBC and Maher when they attack Romney’s faith.

    Mike,
    Repubs harmed the middle class? Repubs forced banks to eliminate lending standards so the middle class would buy more house than they could afford, then lose it? The repubs had the Whitehouse in 1997 when derivative regulation was rejected, adding to the collapse? Who prevented oversight there?

    Bush tax cuts? A family of 4 making $40,000 saw their taxes reduced by 750 basis points, while a family making $400,000 saw their taxes reduced by only 460 bp. BO's tax cut reduces funding to SS; BO buys votes with seniors' money.

  • Twin Sister LINDON, UT
    April 11, 2012 8:27 a.m.

    What is wrong with Romney's having wealth? I am your typical middle-income citizen, and I think it is to Romney's credit that he has been able to accumulate wealth through legitimately buying and selling troubled businesses or through any other legitimate means. What his financial success tells me is that he understands how to grow wealth--including his own personal wealth--and turn around failing financial entities. That proven record of financial success GETS my vote. If other individuals refuse to vote for him based on his financial successes, the only conclusion I can come to is that they have a case of sour grapes and envy. To quote President Dieter Uchtdorf, "Stop it!"

  • kiaoraguy Provo, UT
    April 11, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    Since I can't post the link, look for info on MSNBC's plan to 'investigate' the LDS Church and Racism--a clear indicator that an unbiased news organization has an agenda...do you recall an effort by the same 'news' organization to investigate Rev. Wright's racist statements? This is going to get ugly...

  • williary Kearns, UT
    April 11, 2012 8:09 a.m.

    @Mountanman
    How has Wall Street harmed Americans? You’re seriously asking that question? Let me ask you a question in return. How much has your home value dropped the last 5 years? You don’t think Wall Street had anything to do with that mess? Taking your mortgage, without first asking your permission as you suggest, and selling it throughout the mystical land of made up money that is Wall Street.
    Why did Enron cook the books? Why did mortgage companies start using Interest-Only loans, and Zero-Down 80/20 loans to not get first time buyers into small homes they could afford, but to move owners of smaller homes into larger homes they ultimately would not be able to afford? Why do US companies ship jobs overseas? Because Wall Street demands it of them. Because ALL that matters these days is your balance sheet.
    Hiding behind the veil of Capitalism, the greed of Wall Street has created an entire universe of “play” money. And unfortunately, you won’t find a retirement plan, or 401K that doesn’t participate these days.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 11, 2012 8:08 a.m.

    Obama knows he cannot run on his record of performance so he has to convince and dupe weak minded Americans that he is “looking out for them”. All the while his policies have produced record high energy and food prices, very high unemployment, record high food stamps recipients, and the value or our homes dropping by double digits each year. His failed policies have severely harmed poor people. The only way he can win is to convince people that his opponent is “evil”! Sadly I believe Obama will win reelection because so many Americans think they are entitled to a free ride! What does that say about a country who thinks the world owes them a living?

  • Mike in Texas Cedar City, Utah
    April 11, 2012 7:54 a.m.

    Mountanman. Wall Street excesses have harmed most of us. In the pursuit of profit and playing financial games they helped put the country to the brink of a depression. And, who bailed them out? You did sir, with your tax money. (assuming you pay taxes) Had that not been done the damage to the economy would likely have been much worse. If you can't see the obvious, I feel sorry for you.

    Making the government the boggy man is an old tired and worn out ditto head argument. And Obama did not appropriate the bail out money, the congress did, the one that was in session when Bush was still in the White House -- at the insistence of George Bush and his Administration I might add. Wall street got out of control, not because of government overreach, but rather because it did not do proper oversight. Because the agencies that did that job were compromised by right wing notions of government overreach and staffed with political cronies like "Brownie" of Katrina fame.

  • IdahoStranger NEWDALE, ID
    April 11, 2012 7:47 a.m.

    Which candidate will require that Congress actually declare war before our troops are sent
    to bleed and die?

    Meanwhile, the invasion of our own borders continues.

  • Gramajane OAKLEY, ID
    April 11, 2012 7:46 a.m.

    I understand investments in businesses make more jobs ? I think buying failing businesses and fixing them into healthy growing business that others are then willing to buy is hardly " robber barons" ? I still wonder how BO got the $ to suddenly afford Harvard and then run for senator etc. What real work has he done inbusiness? Even his college work which I understood was on constitutional law (?) seems not to have been valid to think it not right for Supreme court to decide on constitutionality of Obamacare? Just so many questions about his past and then the appologise to wrong groups stuff? -- At least he seems faithful to his wife though!! Even people who make many hurtful choices have at least a few good qualities:)

  • georg Parowan, UT
    April 11, 2012 7:43 a.m.

    Romney supporters warn presidential race now gets tougher. Translation: Etch-a-sketch prices are going way up.

  • deep in thought Salt Lake, UT
    April 11, 2012 7:36 a.m.

    @ Mike in Texas

    I don't get where you are going with this. Don't the top 5% of taxed people already pay like 80% of the taxes?

    I believe the purpose of those tax cuts (made with the input of brilliant economists) was to encourage investments. Not to help the rich get richer. If it's not helping investments, I'm sure congress can examine those again.

    And even if you taxed all of the millionaires at 100% it wouldn't put a dent in the trillions spent by our country today. I am a humble and honest seeker of real solutions. The idea of taxing the millionaires more and more is a fine idea, but it barely raises any revenue (billions, when we need trillions).

    It makes me sad that Obama would resort to stroking this class anger in fine people like yourself instead of coming up with ideas that could really work for our country. Republicans are not applauding cuts for the rich, I am certainly not rich. I do however, expect my president to put forth ideas that actually work rather than a bunch of rhetoric that gets everyone angry at successful people. It's irresponsible.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 11, 2012 7:24 a.m.

    @ Mike in Texas.. Please explain how Wall Street has harmed you! If you don’t like them, don’t send them your money (invest in stocks)! Isn’t it a bit silly to whine about Wall Street when Obama sent them billions for a bailout? Your enemy isn’t Wall Street banks; it’s the overreaching, over spending, over taxing government! Guess who is pushing to give big government even MORE control of your life, your liberties and your money? If you guessed BO and the Democrats, then you would be correct

  • Mike in Texas Cedar City, Utah
    April 11, 2012 5:20 a.m.

    It's not Obama that is playing the "class war" card. Republican policy has been decimating the middle class since the Reagan era. Now that Obama is pointing out the problem, the Rove strategy is to turn it around and blame the messenger. Take a hard look at the statistics for Middle Class income vs the wealth of the so called 1% and ask yourself why? Could it be because of the tax cuts and breaks that mostly benefit the wealthy? Could it be because, like Mitt Romney, many in the high wealth class make their money on investment income that is taxed at half the rate for non investment income?

    Oh yes, there is economic class warfare in America, but neither the middle class nor Obama started it. Look instead to the obvious excesses of Wall Street and Corporate power. Look to the Supreme Court which has unlocked the flood gates to political spending that favor the rich like the politically powerful Koch brothers and corporate raiders like Mitt Romney. The truth is that we are returning to the days of the Robber Barons. And Republicans are applauding.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    April 11, 2012 4:07 a.m.

    Other than the statewide races, this is a non-starter. Utah will have zero impact on electing the next president.

  • Rothbard Herriman, Utah
    April 10, 2012 9:18 p.m.

    Yep ... it is about to get much harder ... here comes Ron Paul!!!

  • deep in thought Salt Lake, UT
    April 10, 2012 9:17 p.m.

    I for one feel sad that Obama would pull the class warfare card at a time like this. There is already such a strong feeling of entitlement and greed among kids today. To villainize success and wealth is such an uneducated, desperate move to make.

    I would even consider the higher taxes on wealthy a decent idea if it even made a dent in Obama's spending. But his so called Buffet rule, even if it could pass, would hardly cover the cost of Obamacare alone - much less everything else. It's all smoke and mirrors.

    If you feel ticked off at rich people, vote for me, Obama. The only candidate in history to base my entire political platform on higher taxes.