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Published: Tuesday, April 10 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

The GOP has once again morphed into the Party of Archie Bunker.
It appeals to a demographic of Rich, Middle-aged, Christian, White guys, who send someone else’s poor and minority kids into wars for oil and their WallStreet stocks in Defense Contractors.

The Democrats are the new Party with the Big Tent –
They readily accept - Women, Minorities, Old, Young, Poor, Gay, and Non-denominational – and don’t want to send their own kids into wars for oil and WallStreet war-profiteers.

Romney doesn't stand a chance....

Esquire
Springville, UT

I love the headline.

If Romney wants to appeal to the voters, he needs to be himself and not try to pander to whomever he stands before. So far not so good on that front.

LValfre
CHICAGO, IL

"Esquire
Springville, UT
I love the headline.

If Romney wants to appeal to the voters, he needs to be himself and not try to pander to whomever he stands before. So far not so good on that front."

That's the problem too though Esquire. People don't like Romney, his faith, and what he stands for. Add the constant flip flops and he's just not well liked.

Esquire
Springville, UT

@ LValfre, CHICAGO, IL, I really don't think his faith is much of an issue and won't be in November. It should not be an issue, either. But let me say, I'm of the same faith and I strong support the re-election of the President.

LValfre
CHICAGO, IL

Esquire,

I'm not of his faith but see his problems and the churches problems hence the huge amount of PR efforts the LDS church has today. But it's not sincere when it's PR, marketing, and flip flops on issues. Doctrine turns to folklore and myths. Prophecies are from god, then they're not, then they're reversed ... It's just very hard for non-members to see it as a real religion. Especially when you're a grown adult and not a child being introduced to it.

I strongly support Ron Paul and feel he has real principled answers for this country and humanity in general. He's not religion based, my biggest fear in politics, and Santorum and Romney clearly have a lot of religious influence in their politics.

Obama is a puppet at this point it seems and Romney is going to jump right back into the same politics we're sick of. Ron Paul has an unwavering ideology and, as we can see from the college support, is getting his point across. That generation of voters will be looking for a candidate like him in the next few elections. I'll join them.

Ms.W
South Jordan, UT

"The Democrats are the new Party with the Big Tent –
They readily accept - Women, Minorities, Old, Young, Poor, Gay, and Non-denominational "

That's some tent....when will they accept whites, the traditional family, the military, the unborn, the majority, legal immigrants, and God?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Ms.W
South Jordan, UT

That's some tent....when will they accept whites, the traditional family, the military, the unborn, the majority, legal immigrants, and God?
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Let me expound....

I'm a middle age,
Caucasian,
married to ONE wife and together we have 4 children,
I'm a USAF Veteran,
who's never had [or been party to] an abortion of convenience, but have been subject to that choice based on the peril and life of the woman as determined by a physician and that it's none of your or your parties business [per official LDS policy],
who doesn't approve of businesses being able entice, lure, draw and hire undocumented workers,
I believe we MUST be good stewards of Mother Earth,
That societies who have the most redistribution of wealth are the closet to Zion, having All things in common and having no rich and NO poor among them,
and I've been active LDS for 43 years.

yet I'm shunned by the GOP and many ignorant LDS members for my beliefs.
I'm consider myself Liberal BECAUSE I'm LDS, not in spite of it.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

I hate to break to all my LDS brethren. It isn't his faith people don't like. It is HIM that they don't like.

Put down the persecution card and look at the real issues.

To Ms. W

I am a 45-year old white citizen of Danish ancestry - pioneers who walked to Utah. I'm a military retiree, and active LDS member. I have family miscellaneous races through marriage. I fit in the Democrat tent just fine.

Diligent Dave
Logan, UT

LDS Liberal,

Your concept of equality is in accordance with revealed revelation. However, force, which is what government is, makes your method of equality not acceptable. Remember Lucifer's plan to make everyone be good? Well, the concept of liberty and agency (a person makes their own decisions, but is responsible for the consequences of those decisions) come strongly into play. If we mandate all give, and enforce that by the heavy hand of government, then we are going counter to liberty and individual agency.

Now, Romney is admittedly a Country Club Candidate. He has done not only well, but exceedingly well, financially. And he is proud of that. That does mean that he appears to have a problem empathizing with the bulk of us who have not done so well.

However, do you want sympathy, or results? I'd rather have a surgeon treat me who knew how to fix my problem, than had the highest rated bedside manners, if we have to choose one over the other.

Of course, I think our problems have to be solved by individuals. We created our problems. It is mostly individuals who need to fix them.

David King
Layton, UT

@LDS Liberal
"That societies who have the most redistribution of wealth are the closet to Zion, having All things in common and having no rich and NO poor among them"

The important question is how did these societies achieve this equality? Please note this statement by President Gordon B. Hinckley, which he said was just as applicable to us today as the morning paper:
"But with prosperity came growing evils. The people succumbed to the wiles of ambitious and scheming leaders who oppressed them with burdensome taxes, who lulled them with hollow promises, who countenanced and even encouraged loose and lascivious living"

So this is the crux of the matter. You cannot achieve Zion through force. You cannot coerce with government mandate the people into being charitable, or good, or caring for their fellow brothers and sisters. It is only when people are FREE to make these choices, that the Zion-like societies have been achieved.

iron&clay
RIVERTON, UT

Every woman that I have heard express her opinion on politics as it exists today have expressed alarm that the Executive office held by Obama is morphing into a dictatorship encroaching upon the rights guaranteed to all individuals,families, women, children, men, boys, girls... all humans, by the US Constitution.

Furry1993
Clearfield, UT

To iron&clay | Riverton 3:54 a.m. 4/11/2012

Then you must not have heard many womehn express their opinions on politics. It sounds more like you've been picking up your opinions from the shock jocks on AM radio. Your statement is totally in error. The dictatorship and teh threat to the Constitution were in the prior administration (and in the policies and programs of the far right authoritarians), not the one in office today.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@Diligent Dave
Logan, UT

@David King
Layton, UT

GOP Mormons tend to equate Lucifer’s plan to a “Forced” Government’s tax – and are making the same mistake God’s chosen did when they rejected Jesus and his refusal to fight the Romans 2,000 years ago over "forced" taxes.

I see Lucifer’s plan falling more in-line with current Republicans idealology.
For example – Banning each and every little sin or vice they can come up with,
Taking away the Freedom to Choose, right or wrong over anything.

Heck, even “Bath Salts” are illegal in Utah.
Hence my taunt of "Utah-liban"

BTW – Even Alma and Amulek knew enough about maintaining Free Agency to not stop Women and Children from being thrown into fires. The wicked must be allow their wickedness, making Freedom a 2-edged sword.

This is where most of my fellow LDS’s run off the Free Agency tracks.
They keep making everything about Freedom about taxes and $$$...not Freedom.

As a true defender of the Constitution, I will defend your freedom – NOT your wallet.

Wally West
SLC, UT

What? Mitty's lack of charisma may cost him? Really?

The 1st time Obama improvises in the debates ought to be priceless.

Regardless, I'm still voting Libertarian.

David King
Layton, UT

@LDS Liberal
Why does it always have to be one or the other? I view economic freedom and personal freedom as part of an indivisible whole. Republican Robert Taft said this:

“When I say liberty I do not simply mean what is referred to as “free enterprise”. I mean liberty of the individual to think his own thoughts and live his own life as he desires to think and live; the liberty of the family to decide how they wish to live, what they want for breakfast and dinner, and how they wish to spend their time; liberty of a man to develop his ideas and get other people to teach those ideas, if he can convince them that they have some value to the world; liberty of every local community to decide how its children shall be educated, how its local services shall be run and who its leaders shall be; liberty of a man to choose his own occupation; liberty of a man to run his own business as he thinks it ought to be run, as long as he does not interfere with the right of other people to do the same thing."

Mc
West Jordan, UT

LDS Liberal says, "That societies who have the most redistribution of wealth are the closet to Zion, having All things in common and having no rich and NO poor among them."

I look forward to living in a zion society with no rich and no poor ruled by Christ when He comes again. Everyone will be treated fairly and no one will take advantage of anyone else. All will work and there will be no idle people living off the work of others, unless they are physically unable to work.

Unfortunately, that kind of society is not possible today for several reasons, but I'll just give three:

1. Christ is not here, so governments are led by imperfect humans subject to corruption and greed. It's better to give to the poor ourselves than to trust government to do it for us.

2. All of us are human with varying degrees of good and evil in us, so there are many willing to be idle, living off the work of others.

3. Countries whose governments have the most redistribution of wealth are facing bankruptcy and quickly headed for a situation in which all are poor.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

David King
Layton, UT

Nice quote – but you realize that the Republicans don’t adhere to any of it.
[But personally, from an ideologically stand point - I believe the Democrats are much, much closer to it than any of the Republicans.]

That be said, - I’m with Wally West.
I’m a voting Libertarian again, like I have done for the last 24 years.

Wally West
SLC, UT

@ LDS Liberal 11:33 a.m. April 11, 2012

I have 2 rules when voting for POTUS....

1) Don't vote for someone w/ an Ivy League degree
2) Don't vote vote a candidate w/ (R) or (D) after their name

Hank Pym
SLC, UT

@ Mc

"3. Countries whose governments have the most redistribution of wealth are facing bankruptcy and quickly headed for a situation in which all are poor."

You mean like Greece & Portugal who Dubya said were part of the new Europe and models for the rest?

Mike01
Mansfield, Qld

It appears to me that the "coming out" that is really going to shock the socks off Utah is the one in which Liberals and left-of-Republican Utahans (and probably left-of-Republican Mormons everywhere) openly stand up and let their thoughts be heard.

Now that would be a brave new world.

Personally, I think Mitt would probably make a good POTUS. I am very worried about his Propensity to Pander, however. Do we want a Panderer-in-Chief or an Upright Person-in-Chief?

For mine, I think it may be better to stick with the Panderer we know and pressure him to do as much good as we can over the next four years, rather than to try out a new model. Not sure, but that's the way I'm leaning at this moment.

Pity Huntsman wasn't ready this time round. Maybe he will be in 2016.

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