To SLCWatch:The Prophet doesn't need anyone to stand up for
him? Since WHEN? Maybe we should all stop praying for him then? Or maybe
Joseph Smith didn't need anyone standing up for him either? Remember how
alone he felt when his friends abandoned him? Think Jesus felt a bit lonely
when his Apostles didn't stand by him? I understand your
thinking, but it is flawed. It was nice of Checketts to stand up for the
Prophet...and come to think of it, the Prophet wrote a book called,
"Standing for Something", and I suppose standing for the prophet was a
good choice on Checkett's part!
Is Satan really a bad guy if he disciplines those who do not follow God's
commandments? The more that I contemplate what is commonly believed about the
afterlife it seems to be a fairy tale. I do enjoy the idea that
Mike and Gordon are enjoying nice cold lemonade drinks sitting on some lawn
chairs being carried by angels.
Wouldn't it be great if we all had Pres. Hinckley's optimism and
cheerful approach to life? My less-active Aunt didn't care much for the
church, but sure loved and always listened to Pres. Hinckley, feeling his
acceptance of all people, member and non-member alike.
@LValfre"if you're not of LDS faith how else can you get there
without being baptized after death?"You cannot attain the
highest kingdom if you do not go through the gate of baptism. There is no other
way. However, God in his wisdom, set up a way for every person to receive
baptism, whether in this life, or the spirit world. Faithful members of the LDS
church can do a proxy baptism for those who didn't receive the ordinance
while on Earth. Eventually, every person who died without baptism will have this
ordinance performed for their behalf. While in the spirit world, these people
will then have the opportunity to accept or reject the ordinance. Never is it
forced upon them.
Thanks Alt. I'm not picking a fight and appreciate you answering my
questions without getting defensive. I now know otherwise."There's nothing that says non-LDS can't get into the celestial
kingdom."I believe the only way to get in is through a baptism
of the dead at that point then. I was taught otherwise alt ... you do
everything so you can get in the highest level of heaven, the celestial kingdom.
Getting sealed to another mormon and holding the priesthood is how you get
there ... and if you're not of LDS faith how else can you get there
without being baptized after death?
@SLCWatch"His interviews with his Boss are a lot more to think about
than a 60 Minutes interview."Yeah but at least he doesn't
have to worry about his Boss possibly taking anything out of context.@LValfre"They can't reunite in the after life they have
different faiths. According to LDS, at least what was said in the past, Hinckley
should be the God of his own planet.Wallace, on the other hand,
chose the wrong faith and is thus not in the celestial kingdom, let alone near
Hinckley's planet. "Okay there's a lot of things wrong
with this... though I'm an ex-mormon myself I'm pretty sure that...
1. You know that there's a period in LDS theology before final
judgment right? Nothing says they can't meet in the spirit world, heck,
President Hinckley could give him the discussions if necessary. 2.
There's nothing that says non-LDS can't get into the celestial
kingdom.3. If we go that route and assume Hinckley "gets his own
planet", there's nothing that says he can't visit others.
Thunderstorms are when they get together and go bowling (kidding).
John Pack,Listen I'm not out to be a jerk. I'm just
asking for dialogue on this because of what has been said by church leaders."Then will they become Gods...they will never cease to increase and
to multiply, worlds without end. When they receive their crowns, their
dominions, they then will be prepared to frame earths like unto ours and to
people them in the same manner as we have been brought forth by our parents, by
our Father and God” Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 17:143"All those who are counted worthy to be exalted and to become Gods, even
the sons of God, will go forth and have earths and worlds like those who framed
this and millions on millions of othersBrigham Young, Journal of
Discourses 18:259, October 8, 1876I'm not twisting anything
I'm asking a question here. You're being forceful. And if Wallace is
not a faithful temple sealed LDS, he's not getting into the celestial
kingdom. That's what is taught, right? If not answer ... don't get
all forceful and angry.
I think the discussions were more civil when we had the comment space at the
top. People less often fed the trolls.One thing I liked about the
Wallace/Hinckley interview is that they showed both people during much of the
program. This was a major flaw in the later Helen Whitney production, where
they spliced responses to one question in a way that it seemed the statements
were in response to another question.
LDS doctrine has always been that at death we go to the Spirit world. Brigham
Young said the Spirit world is around us. A previous commenter is trying to
spew twisted and false doctrines about the after life. He has previously
clearly identified his antagonism towards the Church and now is trying to
express his antagonism forcefully. Anyone who has read Doctrine and Covenants
138 would know that claiming that President Hinckley and Mr. Wallace meeting in
the spirit world is impossible has no doctrinal basis. I do not presume to
judge any man enough to know where they are in the spirit world.
To: deep in thought Your claimed lack of seasoning belies your
apparent understanding. Yours is one of the best "nutshell" descriptions
I have heard in a long time.Thanx!
"LValfreI spent years in the church so don't assume . . .
."Obviously,spending time "in the church" does not
automatically denote understanding as you so plainly project. Don't assume
that just because you were in the church that you fully understand the content,
context and intent of what you so roundly condemn. It is YOU who cannot assume
to know the heart and mind of a god you have no concept of. Just because you
don't understand doesn't make something not so. It just means that you
don't understand it.
@ LValfreFirst I wanted to say sorry, it seems perhaps you left the
faith under negative circumstances. I have noticed in past posts an edge of ...
frustration perhaps?Second, I will do my best to clear up the
doctrine. I am not seasoned nor do I hold any high callings, but this is how I
understand the afterlife.When you die, you are met by many friends
and family who love you. It is a beautiful experience. No one has been given a
final judgement (Celestial etc.) until after the 1000 years of the millennium so
that is still quite a ways off. Even very wicked people are met by those who
love them. All mankind will feel of God's love.People a
generally divided into two groups, mostly the honorable and dishonorable
(paradise and prison) for a long period of time and everyone is given the chance
to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ and even do some repenting. All
spirits will eventually find peace, joy, and rest except for those eternal
followers of Satan. It is an inclusive plan that gives equal opportunity to
all, even those who died young or knew no law on earth.
Oh,I imagine they met if they wanted to.
LValfre,You have no idea what you are talking about. So please give
it a rest and don't assume that you know what we believe. Because you
obviously don't understand.
"CBSalt Lake City, UTI can just imagine the wonderful reunion
these two had in another place.Have no idea why this is being
denied. They can't reunite in the after life they have different
faiths.According to LDS, at least what was said in the past,
Hinckley should be the God of his own planet.Wallace, on the other
hand, chose the wrong faith and is thus not in the celestial kingdom, let alone
near Hinckley's planet. So how can they possibly have a
I can just imagine the wonderful reunion these two had in another place.
A good article. I had the opportunity to meet with President Hinkley from time
to time, including in his office. Do not underestimate how savvy he was and how
tough he could be when necessary. He certainly balanced out the need for
toughness with spiritual strength and the exigencies of the Gospel. I am
certain that Mike Wallace recognized and respected that.
I am a little embarassed that Dave Checketts thought he had to soften up Mike
Wallace for President Hinckley. I would have thought President Hinckley calling
Mike Wallace to ask him to go soft on Dave Checketts a more likely scenerio.
The prophet doesn't need any one to stand up for him. After all who do we
know the prophet talks to regularly. His interviews with his Boss are a lot
more to think about than a 60 Minutes interview.
Loved this article. I remember those interviews well, and the true friendship
that grew out of them. Am reading this with tears in my eyes. I loved
President Hinckley so much, and admired both of these great men.
My thanks to President Hinckley, Mike Wallace, Dave Checketts and Doug Robinson
for the best expressions of humanity and the best piece of journalism I have
read in a long, long time. Masterfully done. It lifted my vision and, I am
sure, many others. I was very impressed with the interview of President
Hinckley and Mike Wallace when it took place. I was serving as a director of
public affairs at the time. My vision and work took on a new meaning and helped
answer many inquiries and meet objections then and since.
The world has lost a truly great journalist and an even greater human being in
Mike Wallace. I was in high school when his interview with President Hinckley
first aired on 60 Minutes, and even then I could sense that it was a watershed
moment for the church. I had never felt more proud of my church or more proud
of the man I revered as a prophet. President Hinckley displayed an openness and
a poise that showed the entire church membership that we have nothing to hide
and nothing to worry about, and we should seize any opportunity to tell our
story to the world. I will always appreciate the goodness of both President
Hinckley and Mr. Wallace and the way their interview blessed my life.
Both men, a penetrating journalist and a man of God, were people of good will.
They had vastly different persona's but shared a common humanity. What
great examples for us all. Their reunion was in a better place.
This is a wonderful example of journalism, something I feel is lost in
today's world. Mr. Wallace asked and President Hinckley answered. Mr.
Wallace respected a Spiritual Leader and no bad was spoken of him or his
religion. It really is sad that many journalists today cannot have the same
respect. I love that President Hinckley was so willing to share. As those of
us who are members of the LDS Church, we understand that parts of our religion
as sacred not secret. I really wish that those who are so critical of our
religion would take the time as Mr. Wallace did to understand what we believe in
and not listen to those who was to spread hatred about us. Ask questions,
listen and respect each persons God given right to believe what they will.
True leaders rise to the occasion, I remember that awesome interview vividly.
RIP Mr. Wallace...btw thanks for the article, great reminder of these two great
President Hinckley was a master of public relations. His interview with Mike
Wallace was a classic example of how best to get a message across. Concerning
that inverview -- well done Mike Wallace and Gordon Hinckley, both of you.
How could you not have a soft spot for President Hinckley? Mike Wallace (even
though he wouldn't describe it as such) recognized that here was truly a
man of God, who loved all humanity.