Published: Monday, April 9 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT
From Fox News:"Forget the official 8.2% unemployment rate. Take
a hard look instead at what’s known as the U6 rate, which tracks not only
those out of work but those who’ve essentially given up looking for
work.That rate stands at about 14.5%, or nearly double the official
unemployment rate.As economists digest the disappointing job numbers
released Friday -- just 120,000 jobs added in March, well below expectations --
some say the U6 figure is the data point people should be focused on."----There are 5.3 million long-term unemployed in the United
States, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. It would take 41 months at
the current rate of employment increases to put those people back to work -
assuming that NO ONE lost a job during that period.There over 12
million individuals unemployed in the United States, also according to the
Bureau of Labor Statistics. That would take 120 months, or 10 years, for them
to be employed.How many people can hang on for 3-1/2 years? How
many can hang on for 10 years?Mr. Obama's "employment"
plan is a disaster for working people.
Pure nonesense Mr. Richards. There has always been a U6 number or something
like it. The true unemploymet rate is always..yes always..1970, 1981, and 2012
nearly double the published. Still when Regan got the rate down to 5 from 10 he
was a genius and no one was lamenting the fact that it was actually 10%.
I've tracked these numbers professionaly since the late 60's. This is
pure partisan fox news hackary.
To the 12 million who don't have jobs, the President's unemployment
figures are pure nonsense. To the 250,000 who had their homes foreclosed in
2011, the President's unemployment figures are pure nonsense.To
those riding the gravy train who are employed by the government, President Obama
is their hero. They don't care that he increased the deficit by 33% in
three years. They don't care that over $5 TRILLION has been added to THEIR
debt. They have a job that is being paid for by deficit spending - because
there are over 12 million people out of work who don't pay income taxes.President Obama is lying. He is not "misrepresenting"; he is
LYING. Unemployment is over 14%. He knows it and every one of those who are
unemployed knows it. Every one of those who get the "red" letters from
the utility companies knows it. Every one of those who have stopped answering
their telephones because the only callers are bill collectors knows it. Every
one of those who have no hope of getting a job in time to save their homes knows
that HE IS LYING.
Mike Richards is absolutely correct. The left wing propaganda spewers would have
us believe that unemployment is down. This is a lie.The truth is
that the left wing government has brought the economy to the brink of
irreversible collapse. As a result, millions are unemployed, and millions are
just one charitable handout away from near starvation.The slumbering
masses must awaken in time to recognize the truth before it is too late. If they
do not, they may well find themselves living in European-style poorhouses hoping
they don't starve to death before they get their next cup of gruel.
And I'm still correct..it's always been so. Secondly it's always
been so that the second half of the unemployed is a very diverse group of folks.
Some desperately looking for work, some with no intentions of working, some who
would like to, but have lost hope and have moved on to other means of
support,some who would like to work but don't have current skills. To
pretend that 14% of Americans are all desperetly looking for work and can't
find it is just not true. My whole point is that it was this way
under Regan, Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama. This is not an Obama phenomena.
To "pragmatistferlife" Unfortnately your ability to track those numbers
is proving you wrong. If you look at the number of people currently with jobs,
and the number of people with jobs in January 2009, we are nearly even. We
currently have the same unemployment rate as February 2009, but more workers
available in the US. Unless we have a 0, or negative population growth, the
unemployment numbers do not reflect the true unemployment rate.Yes,
the U6 number is always higher, but the total number of people employed is not a
number that can be messed with easily. We are not gainin jobs fast enough to
adequatly meet population growth. How do you propose to meet population growth?
The question isn't what the US unemployment rate is today. The question is
what it will be when gas hits $5 a gallon this summer and people stop buying
cars so they can afford groceries.Of course if Israel goes after
Iran's nuclear facilities late this spring or early this summer we could
face an oil shortage that will hike gas prices even higher. Mitt Romney would
then probably remind the voters of the Canadian oil pipeline project ..... which
During the Bush administration there was valid criticism that only low paying
jobs were created. Under Obama there is no criticism for the same phenomena.
Hiring by the government and burger-jobs are the majority of recent increases,
yet the press trumpets "job creation." It's very distorted.
Mike Richards proclaimed "That rate stands at about 14.5%, or nearly double
the official unemployment rate."If you want to change the way
you look at numbers, fine, but you have to do it for everybody. The
unemployment rate now is the same now as it was under George W Bush. It
doesn't meatter if you use the official 8.2% number, or some other grade
that you call 14.5%. The rates under both administrations are the same.Rifleman pondered "what it will be when gas hits $5 a gallon this
summer?"Gasonline prices are lower now than the summer before Bush
left office. In other words, people have seen these gas prices before. If you
saw a dip in gas prices and thought "gas prices will are back down and will
stay low forever -- I'm buying a new SUV!!, then you were foolish. Almost
as foolish as believing a gas pipeline from Canada will help American gas
prices. That gas is going to China.
Okay moderate,I agree that under both administrations, the unemployment rate was
basically the same. The problem is with the stat of 8.2%. No matter what the
government throws out as an official stat, we all know better. It's much
worse, probably double that. And many other people are underemployed and many
have 2-3 jobs to make the same amount of money their old job used to make. All
of this makes the quality of life in country much worse. The problem is I think
things will get worse before they get better, if they get better. This might be
our new "normal" economy with about 15% unemployed and another 20%
underemployed or working multiple low-paying jobs.
It's true that the U6 is always higher than the unemployment rate, but you
should realize that the average U6 rate under Bush hovers around Obama's
current "unemployment rate". There's no comparing the two!
Obama's unemployment average has been about double Bush's average, but
he has increased the debt at rate double what Bush did ($2 trillion per year
compared to Bush's >$1 trillion per year average).Remember,
in addition to gaining jobs, there are jobs disappearing. How many soldiers are
going to be coming home the next few years looking for jobs thanks to Obama.
What will we do then?
Red Shirt "To "pragmatistferlife" Unfortnately your ability to track
those numbers is proving you wrong".. "Yes, the U6 number is always
higher".. proving me wrong huh?? All I was saying was the commonly discussed
number is usually at least half of the real number and always has been. So when
the published unemployment unmber in the 80's was 10% it actually was
somewhere between 15 to 20%.Actual jobs and job growth is a whole
other subject..and far more complicated than presented here. In short what
would I do? I would be concerned with our ability to compete in a global economy
(creativity, education, and taxes), I would be concerned with our inability to
take a long term view on our deficit (the ability to reduce the deficit while at
the same time not destroying the American society. Lastly I would be concerned
about our inability to take a long term and creative view of energy production.
Just try and tell someone who is not employed or underemployed or who is so
discouraged that they have stopped looking (one of the 14.5 million) that these
numbers are "good news" and see what kind of response you receive. They
will not be impressed on how you try to "spin it."
Yes - let's suddenly focus on what everyone has always known and proclaim
it as "news" and "Obama's fault!"How dare Obama
use the same measure of calculation that all other administrations have used!Why, the nerve!
VST..who said 8% unemployment is good news..you must be reading another paper,
and certainly no one said being unemplyed is good news. You're the spinner
trying to make something out of nothing.
Let me guess "it is Bush's fault".I wonder how you can
pass the blame and have people believe that it is someone elses fault. Usually
in obussive relationships, you'll have one person blaming all of the
troubles on everyone else, but, refuse to look at themselves as the source of
the problem.How can you blame others, when you have absolute control
and power? And if it is someone elses fault, what does that say about this
president who controlled both house and senate?It's time for
Obama is not using the same measurement for unemployment. He ordered the system
to be "changed" and to count the numbers differently.Anyone
who has taken a statistics class knows, you can manipulate the data to make it
look like whatever you want it to. Very convenient when re-election comes up
and the media refuse to question your regime.
@pragmatistforlife,If you are not "spinning," then why are
you arguing with Mike Richards and RedShirt on how the unemployment numbers are
counted? To a person who has employment problems (14.5 million of them), this
is child's play.They could care less about the statistics -
they just want a job that meets their financial needs.
Strange as it sounds, 2-3% unemployment is probably the healthiest numbers for
our economy in regards to growth, quality of life etc. versus 0# unemployment.
And that 2-3$ is somewhat in shift, people in between jobs rather than
perpetually looking for work.
Liberal Ted - you got something to back up your claims that the way the numbers
are measured has been changed? Are you seriously trying to sell that if Obama
is manipulating the numbers, this is the best he can do, to make it the worst it
has been in decades? Really? People tweak the numbers to make themselves
look bad? Is he also tweaking the ADP numbers too? And all the states are
in on it too.... .like Utah? Its low number is an attempt to make Obama look
good. Does anyone else not see the craziness here?Please Ted, back your comments up with reliable sources on this one. This
would blow watergate out of the water as the most sensational story if true.
And prove just how stupid Obama is - manipulating the numbers to look worse.Unbelievable - really.
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