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BYU, Utah Utes rugby: Cougars overcome first-half miscues, win 38-22

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  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    April 13, 2012 3:53 p.m.

    midpacmajor
    Salt Lake City, Utah
    "Again, I only bring up the score when talking to you because that is all we have in common"

    True.

    BYU is a perennial Top 25 team and has only lost to two 10-loss teams in its entire history.

    Utah rarily finishes in the Top 25, but has lost to two 10-loss teams in the last 5 years.

    --

    Yet we lost 54-10 at home against Utah.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    April 13, 2012 3:48 p.m.

    ClassyUte
    SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    If we are going to count club sports, can we count ALL club sports, because i'm pretty sure Utah would have the edge there. I was on the club water polo team at the U for the last few years, and i can't think of a time where BYU even came close to beating us. Also, our shooting and hockey teams are perrenial powerhouses. See how ridiculous this can get? Lets also not forget that our Red Rocks are on their way to another NCAA nationals appearance and the ski team came in second at nationals recently.

    --

    Speaking of hockey. Utah played Washington in the Pac 12 club finals and lost I believe. But my point is that hockey appears to be on the Pac 12 radar. So over the next few years I see schools like Washington, Utah, Oregon, Cal and others make the jump to compete officially in D1.
    Meanwhile my fellow BYU fans can brag about club sport green jello and bread making.

  • Seminolebob JACKSONVILLE, FL
    April 13, 2012 3:24 p.m.

    I have a message for BYU fans.
    Rather than thump your chest about club sports. Perhaps you should work on getting into a BCS conference.
    And work on your football scheduling. That's pathetic! The only reason you were ranked is because teams in various conferences were down. Is your team honestly worthy of a top 25 ranking by playing bottom feeder teams?
    Apparently you think so.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 11, 2012 10:08 p.m.

    ClassyUte

    When was the last time Utah won a national championship in any of your club sports?

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 11, 2012 10:06 p.m.

    "Again, I only bring up the score when talking to you because that is all we have in common"

    True.

    BYU is a perennial Top 25 team and has only lost to two 10-loss teams in its entire history.

    Utah rarily finishes in the Top 25, but has lost to two 10-loss teams in the last 5 years.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    April 11, 2012 5:54 p.m.

    Well said duggity. My favorite above quote is the one about if BYU would have played harder/ better during the game last Fall who knows. Too funny as to me it appeared to me and most others that BYU was trying with all their might with all helmet to helmet hits and other acts of poor sportsmanship against the Ute players. The fact of the matter though was Utah had/has far better/faster player, a better coach and made BYU look Div III. As if only playing harder would have changed that; oh the denial.

  • ClassyUte SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    April 11, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    If we are going to count club sports, can we count ALL club sports, because i'm pretty sure Utah would have the edge there. I was on the club water polo team at the U for the last few years, and i can't think of a time where BYU even came close to beating us. Also, our shooting and hockey teams are perrenial powerhouses. See how ridiculous this can get? Lets also not forget that our Red Rocks are on their way to another NCAA nationals appearance and the ski team came in second at nationals recently.

  • NW Coug Provo, UT
    April 11, 2012 10:42 a.m.

    So, how bout that Rugby match? Wait...maybe this is the wrong article.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    April 11, 2012 8:19 a.m.

    phoenix,

    "It's laughable the extent to which Utah fans will go to try to rationalize why the rest of the nation was so unimpressed with your one big win of the season."

    No one was impressed nationally because BYU is Irrelevant. I wasn't overly impressed, eiether. Again, I only bring up the score when talking to you because that is all we have in common. In my interactions with other college football fans that game never comes up.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    April 10, 2012 10:42 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    "It would be better to admit that you had the inferior team and move on...."

    For inferior team, see mirror.

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Conference Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    10+ Win Seasons
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Losses to 10+ Loss Teams
    Bronco 0
    Kyle 2

    Losses to Conference Bottom Dwellers (Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado State, UNLV, and Colorado)
    Bronco 0
    Kyle 6

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    April 10, 2012 10:21 p.m.

    DevilishUte

    It's laughable the extent to which Utah fans will go to try to rationalize why the rest of the nation was so unimpressed with your one big win of the season.

    Here's a clue; one game does not a season make.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 10, 2012 9:25 p.m.

    @duggity

    Nothing gives me more pleasure than to witness a utah "fan" throw his hands up in defeat and slink away. Maybe if you had an actual point to make it would be different.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 10, 2012 9:24 p.m.

    @devlishute

    And I'm curious how you ignore losing 10 of 11 and having your team beaten, and beaten, and beaten, and beaten, badly, every single year.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    April 10, 2012 5:17 p.m.

    Not So Authoritative,

    You completely dismiss the 44 point beatdown every time it's brought up because it still pains you. The reason Ute fans bring it up when talking to Y fans is because that is the only point of reference we have with Roscoe's merry men. And it's the purest way to measure which team is better. Otherwise, why would the teams play?

    Funny that your team got beat so badly and embarrassed so completely that you have to use another team to do the smack talking for you.

    It would be better to admit that you had the inferior team and move on. I'd be curious how you explain losing 7 of the last 10.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    April 10, 2012 4:52 p.m.

    duggity

    "The only thing last years [sic] final ranking proved is how flawed the ranking system really is."

    EVERY AP National Champion for the last 8 decades has been chosen in exactly the same way. It's funny how Utah fans beat their chests every time the Utes are ranked or the Utes beat a ranked team, but then pretend that the ranking system is flawed when BYU is ranked.

    Which is a greater accomplishment, beating a ranked team, or being a ranked team?

    The truth is, Utah had a gift-wrapped division title practically handed to them last season - 5 home games, 4 road games, no Stanford or Oregon, USC ineligible, every other team in the division finishing with a losing record, and all the Utes had to do to win the division was beat one of the worst teams in the country, AT HOME.

    The reason Utah wasn't ranked is because the Utes didn't deserve to be ranked.

    The reason BYU was ranked is because the Cougars beat every team they were supposed to including a more highly ranked bowl opponent.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    April 10, 2012 4:50 p.m.

    DU

    "Only one team absolutely demolished the other by 44"

    And only one team LOST to a 10-loss team.

    Better SOS is only meaningful IF U have similar records. It's funny how U only factor wins into your calculations, while completely ignoring your losses.

  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    April 10, 2012 4:43 p.m.

    RE: duggity

    "I just don't have the time or patience for this type of "my daddy can beat up your daddy" arguments. Get a job buddy. You have way too much time on your hands."

    I love that this comment came after posting three times on a discussion board for an article about a sport you claim "no one cares about."

  • duggity Bountiful, UT
    April 10, 2012 3:47 p.m.

    Duckhunter...Yeah ok. Are you really going to try using your WAC record as an argument that BYU had a good team? Really??? Wow. The only thing last years final ranking proved is how flawed the ranking system really is. Something BYU football seems to be very good at...1984 anyone? I would bet that about 25ish percent of college football teams could pull 10 wins with BYU's schedule. In any case I'm done wasting my time on Duckhunter. I just don't have the time or patience for this type of "my daddy can beat up your daddy" arguments. Get a job buddy. You have way too much time on your hands.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    April 10, 2012 3:45 p.m.

    "they are on their way up and they are already pretty good"

    Good enough to be a play-in team.

    Only one team absolutely demolished the other by 44 on their own field and had "fans" from other team scrambling for the exits in the 3rd quarter of the game. One "fan" went to Tulsa for about 3 or 4 weeks after the game last year.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 10, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    @duggity

    Tell us about josh herlihy and how utah basketball is "on the way up".

    LOL!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 10, 2012 2:33 p.m.

    @duggity

    Only a true fool would say BYU basketball is on its way down when they are loaded with talent and more coming in. Frankly they are on their way up and they are already pretty good.

    As far as football is concerned most of the talk about one program being better for the rest of the existence of the Earth is coming from utah "fans". What I'm curious to see is how you talk if BYU is the better team again this year. And remember only one of them finished with double digit wins and a national ranking last year. Of course that is the same one that finishes with double digit wins and a national ranking almost every year.

  • duggity Bountiful, UT
    April 10, 2012 10:39 a.m.

    Duckhunter. To answer your question, yes. With the exception of mens basketball, all of those other sports you mentioned truly don't matter. And if you check the record, I never have harped on the whole "conference of champions" thing, because there are so many championships held by conference teams in (again) a bunch of sports that just don't matter. And yes, I will admit that the Utes have stunk it up lately in basketball, but only a true fool would try to claim that they won't make it back to where they were. We all know it's cyclical. Utah football will probably be extremely good this year and possibly for the next several years, but we all know they will have a bad season sooner or later. It's the way college sports work. BYU basketball was excellent last year and was decent this year, but things look to be going downhill. They will probably have an off year or two and then will get good again. It's how all college sports work. What I'm curious too see is how you talk if Utah is the better team again this year.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    April 9, 2012 7:40 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    "now that you have declared ALL sports other than football MEANINGLESS, I fully expect you to avoid the hypocrisy of refering to the pac12 as "the conference of champions" considering that those sports that don't matter are the ones that the pac12 uses to make that claim."

    Carefull, Duckhunter, you're going to confuse the "conference of champions" wannabe's.

    Excluding USC,

    BYU has won more concensus National Championships (#1 in AP AND Coaches Polls) in football,

    than the rest of the PAC 12

    COMBINED!!!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 9, 2012 6:24 p.m.

    Oh by the way duggity, now that you hve declared all sports other than football meaningless I fully expect you to avoid the hypocrisy of refering to the pac12 as "the conference of champions" considering that those sports that don't matter are the ones that the pac12 uses to make that claim.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 9, 2012 5:30 p.m.

    @duggity

    I don't think I said anything about the p.a. announcer, I really don't care.

    As for the rest I would sorta agree with you,for some sports, no one does care all that much other than they just like to know they are better, kinda like utah skiing. But are you trying to infer that top line sports like mens and womens basketball, baseball and softball, volleyball, track and field, don't matter? Especially basketball? That is just you trying to live in denial which based on the results I can certainly understand.

    So it seems to me that utah "fans" like yourself are now denying that any sport matters other than football since that is basicly the only sport utah is even semi competitive in. Go ahead and trumpet utah's big football win last year, it is the one and only thing any of you have and it is still the most important thing to all of you, important enough that it allowed all of you to declare a losing conference season a success.

    LOL!

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    April 9, 2012 5:11 p.m.

    "Who cares, rugby is a club sport."

    U do or U wouldn't be here.

    It's hilarious that the ONLY highlight of Utah's entire first year in the PATHETIC 10.2 is a NON-CONFERENCE win over an "irrelevant, non-AQ, Independent, former rival."

    Trumpeting such a "meaningless" win on every BYU article, especially when you've been DOMINATED in every other sport, proves just how desperate and insecure our little friends on the hill are.

    Men's Basketball - BYU 61 Utah 42
    Men's Swimming - BYU 162 Utah 138
    Men's Tennis - BYU 5 Utah 2
    Men's Baseball - BYU 9 Utah 8
    Men's Baseball - BYU 9 Utah 6
    Men's Rugby - BYU 38 Utah 22
    Men's Football - Utah 10 BYU 54

  • Robroy Murray, utah
    April 9, 2012 3:25 p.m.

    Yes fans, the lower tier of the Pathetic 12, the conference of Chumpions is something of which to be proud. It is indeed great to be a Ute, Especially in basketball (and most other sports). The only Pathetic 12 team where the fans have a chance to play in games. What is it now 7 more ute basketball players bail on the program. That's what, basically the whole team in the last 15 months. What a reqruiting magnet the Pathetic 12 is now, eh?

  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    April 9, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    RE: Wendell Hoop and duggity

    "Who cares, rugby is a club sport."

    Do us all a favor and don't post comments on the discussion boards for sports you don't care about. I do actually care about BYU rugby, not because BYU is consistently one of the best teams in the country, but because it is really fun to watch. I don't care if it's a club sport, I do care that BYU is great at it (and I like when they beat the Utes).

  • duggity Bountiful, UT
    April 9, 2012 1:57 p.m.

    Duckhunter. So let me paraphrase your comment; Lets forget about the thrashing we took that made us look like a bunch of high schoolers, but instead focus on all the sports that nobody watches, follows, or cares about, because that doesn't make us look as bad. You do realize the NCAA doesn't even acknowledge rugby right? It's called a club sport. And as far as the "knocked microphone", what is a PA announcer even doing near the coach?! What do you think Bronco would do if a reporter or announcer tried to talk to/confront him during gameplay? Probably the same or worse, after which said reporter would be removed and permanently banned from the stadium in all likelyhood. Also, has anyone that's not related to one of the athletes actually ever been to a swim meet or tennis match? "You may have beaten us in football, but our synchronized swimming team totally dominated you! So there!" I would ask you to think before you type, but I understand the likelyhood of that. If the comment is true that "I think, therefore I am", would that call your actual existence into question?

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    April 9, 2012 11:48 a.m.

    More of you should take the loss and move on instead of making excuses.

    "Had BYU given their best, who knows what would have happened." They gave up.

    Which games did BYU give their best? USU? Tulsa? SJSU? NMSU?

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 9, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    COUGARNATE, I wasn't at the game either, but I had friends who were, and apparently a student announcer on the sideline was trying to ask him questions on the mic as he was coaching, so he pushed his hand out of his face, and when the police came, their response was, "You called us for this?" and left immediately. But DEW Cougars, NevadaCoug, 3grandslams and SportsFan are welcome to believe their own version of it if they think it makes Utah look worse. It won't hurt my feelings at all.

  • Wendall Hoop Murray, UT
    April 9, 2012 9:37 a.m.

    who cares, rugby is a club sport. 54-10 people!!! haha

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    April 9, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    Lol! Was that Coach Rick Majerus losing his cool. Stay classy.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 8, 2012 8:52 p.m.

    Forget about the BYU/utah football game. It is done and it is in the books. All that matters is that BYU is now dominating utah in just about every other sport. This is an ongoing and satisfying process that we can all enjoy just about weekly as each new dominating victory occurs.

  • COUGARNATE Lyman, WY
    April 8, 2012 4:16 p.m.

    Yeah I live in Wyoming and I could not attend the game, but I would like to know what happened with the coach, and the P.A. announcer. I will be at Rio Tinto for the rematch for the National Title though.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    April 8, 2012 3:09 p.m.

    Utah did beat BYU in football this year, it's true. However, I think we can all agree that BYU didn't play their best, which is why it went how it did. Had BYU given their best, who knows what would have happened.

  • butters Salt Lake city, UT
    April 8, 2012 2:59 p.m.

    so did anyone actually go watch the game or just jump on to make a big deal out of a utah coach having a small fit?

    i couldn't attend the game yesterday, but i thought byu would get the win. utah has good speed and good athleticism, but they don't have the size and experience that byu has and from what i heard about the game it sounds like that's what ended up winning it for byu in the second half. depending on where these two teams fall in the college tournament picture, we may see a utah/byu national championship game. cal, who normally takes it every year, decided to drop out of the college premier division so they aren't eligible for the national championship game this year. i'd love to see a rematch between these two schools for the national championship.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    April 8, 2012 12:37 p.m.

    Not surprisingly, especially for the kids on the hill, most of U missed the salient point of SportsFan's comment. Let's review:

    Men's Basketball - BYU 61 Utah 42
    Men's Swimming - BYU 162 Utah 138
    Men's Tennis - BYU 5 Utah 2
    Men's Baseball - BYU 9 Utah 8
    Men's Baseball - BYU 9 Utah 6
    Men's Rugby - BYU 38 Utah 22
    Men's Football - Utah 10 BYU 54

    Utah deserves credit for their lone win in football, but overall, the Cougars DOMIMATED the Utes, winning 6 of the 7 head-to-head contests.

    Utah doesn't even bother fielding Indoor and Outdoor Track & Field, Cross-Country, and Volleyball teams, or it would have been ELEVEN to one!

    The ONLY sport U have going for U is football, and even there, BYU had a better overall season and finished ranked in the Top 25, while the not-so-mighty Utes finished with a losing conference record, a worse record overall, and not a single vote in either poll.

    Unfortunately for U, one game does not an entire men's athletic program make.

  • Straitpath PROVO, UT
    April 8, 2012 11:39 a.m.

    Fifty four to ten!

  • JoeCoug OREM, UT
    April 8, 2012 10:32 a.m.

    As one of the biggest fans of BYU, Utah FLAT OUT handed it to us on our own turf. I was at the game and they completely dominated us. Get over it whiny Cougar fans. We did make some miscues, but THEY BEAT US...they forced many of those turnovers, and they were the better team that night. Had we played them later in the season we may have beaten them, but I'm still not sure. They have a superb D. I am happy with the way the team responded the rest of the year. I just hope the tide changes at RES this fall.

    Go Cougars!

  • KH Holladay, UT
    April 8, 2012 10:00 a.m.

    @ the big samoan,

    Thank you for being a reasonable fan who saw the game as it happened.

    @ Sports Fan,

    It is ridiculous to call the game "a 7 turnover gift". Were none of those turnovers forced? And when they were forced was Utah not supposed to pounce on the ball? That is how football is played. Turnovers are a huge part of the game and every team works on forcing turnovers in practice. As the big samoan said, byu got their butts kicked and then gave up.

  • millerdu PROVO, UT
    April 8, 2012 8:41 a.m.

    The PAC 10.2--conference of champions!

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    April 8, 2012 7:38 a.m.

    @SportsFan...Ummm, I wouldn't call it a 7-turnover gift. The cougs simply got their butts kicked into submission and then just plain quit towards the end. I'm a huge Cougar fan who was very upset and disappointed in that loss. The Utes came out smoking and we flat out self destruct which was shameful and embarrassing. Even so, it was one game now in history and I hope it won't happen again in the future.

    Go Cougs!

  • OnlyInUtah Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 8, 2012 6:29 a.m.

    "Classy" move Coach!

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    April 7, 2012 10:14 p.m.

    "things erupted a bit on the sidelines with a Utah coach knocking the microphone out of the PA announcer's hand"

    Probably upset that the PA announcer kept announcing that BYU was ahead in the game.

    It's been a tough year for Utah coaches losing to the Cougars in almost every sport. If not for that 7-turnover gift last September, BYU would be pitching a shutout of the Utah men.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    April 7, 2012 10:10 p.m.

    What's up with the u coach losing his cool towards the PA announcer? Black eye for Utah.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    April 7, 2012 9:51 p.m.

    "Following Shaun Davies' successful penalty kick, things erupted a bit on the sidelines with a Utah coach knocking the microphone out of the PA announcer's hand. Police were called to escort the coach off the field and after much discussion with all parties involved, he was allowed to return."

    Stay classy, Utes. Stay classy.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    April 7, 2012 8:42 p.m.

    Congrats Cougs!