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Published: Sunday, April 8 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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TOO
Sanpete, UT

Beautiful. Happy Easter, everyone.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

What a wonderful message for Easter. Thank you.

The Atheist
Provo, UT

A few observations I hope you will publish.

1. The message of the empty tomb is that it "isn't true" that this is actually the tomb of Jesus, yet believers don't let the facts stand in the way of their "faith".

2. Faith is fine, as far as it goes, but when you ostracize, marginalize, and condemn those who do not have "faith" in the same things in which you have "faith", judging them as being sinful, unworthy, and wicked, you are revealing the dark and inhumane side of religion.

3. From South Africa to Northern Ireland, much of the violence and conflict in the world today is between believers who insist that their ideology is the one and only true ideology and everyone must ultimately bow to their gods ("every knee shall bow and every tongue confess").

4. Holy scriptures justify imperialistic pretensions (D&C 87:6), violence (D&C 87:6), and segregation (D&C 1:14) central to strife and conflict.

Until the "word of God" is stripped of these things, peace and tolerance will never be achieved.

Happy Easter.

BigRich
Orem, UT

D&C 87:6 is a prophecy of the wars that will occur between wicked nations in the last days, a prophecy that is being fulfilled. It is not a call to or an excuse for violence, but a statement of what the Lord will do if these people do not choose righteousness and peace over wickedness and violence. D&C 1:14 is a warning from the Lord that he will not tolerate wickedness forever. When read in the context of the verses 7-16, it is plain that the Lord is saying that he has sent prophets to warn that wickedness will not, in the end, be tolerated or allowed to prevail. But it is he that will take the action. The scriptures do not give any pretense or excuse for the development of imperialism, the use of violence, or the right to enforce one's religion upon another. I certainly do not see the LDS Church taking any actions that would that relate to what "The Atheist" is alluding to. Cherry picking scriptures out of context and then applying to them to situations totally unrelated to the church that espouses those actions is unfair and misleading.

BigRich
Orem, UT

I would like to add that whether that is the actual tomb of the resurrected Christ or has nothing to do with our faith in him or his resurrection. And those who marginalize, ostracize, or condemn or make violent acts against those who do not believe do not understand the faith they profess, and certainly misinterpret it.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

The Atheist,

BigRich has already responded to some of your claims. I would like to respond to a few more.

First, most religions (at least here in the US) try to be welcoming to folks who do not believe as they do. As to sin, the avoidance of same is integral to the religious command. In my experience much human suffering would be alleviated if folks would live the Ten Commandments and a religious life. Leaving folks ignorant of this would challenge the humanity of the faithful. How could they appear before God knowing they could have helped folks avoid suffering but did not do so?

As to conflict around the world. Let's be realistic. Few such conflicts are among the devout and about dogma. Yes, such fights do exist but by far and away the real differences are invested in cultural and ethnic subgroups that also identify with different religious traditions. The reasons for conflict are not religious but are far more mundane - money, power, control etc. The religious differences simply become a convenient way of describing a much more complex set of issues.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

I am not religious, but I believe in God, in forgiveness, in life after this one.

The Easter message is one of hope, which is wonderful. We need more hope and optimism in this world.

(I don't happen to believe the hopeful message is exclusive to believers of Jesus and requiring faith in him, specifically, but that is my hunch.)

Mom Johnson
West Jordan, UT

Why bother responding to the Athiest? Satan will always have his minions.

Let's celebrate the most important event in Heavenly Father's plan..........that is...........Jesus Christ did the will of His father. He took upon himself the sins of the world. He glorified His Father. He died for us. He burst the bands of death. He is Risen!!! Hooray!!!

JBQ
Saint Louis, MO

@The Atheist: Strange comment on Easter. I hope and pray that you find peace. Atheists do not believe in God. Agnostics don't know if there is a God. I believe that you are an agnostic and that there is hope for you in finding the way.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

Desire, Belief, Expatiation's and the magic touch. Imagination, attitude, and perseverance. All are just words with out "hope". Hope keeps us alive. We hope that we mater to each other. You mater, That is the spirit of things. The name of the spirit is Jesus, who was a gift from God because He so loved the world.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

"If existence ended with the natural biological span of the body then the span of ethical obligations would feel similarly truncated. Although it might make sense to improve the immediate material and moral conditions around oneself while the body lives, why think beyond immediate kin and community?" Simply because to improve the "human" condition, not just your own, does in fact improve yours.

However sadly, most humans do only seek to improve conditions for themselves. It happens every day on this thread where those who seek community, and the improvement of the community are labled socialists, anti American, and communists. Don't fool yourselves that the discussion is only about how to get to similar goals. It's at it's core about those concerned about themselves and theirs and those who would broaden their gaze to actually inclue all.

Esquire
Springville, UT

A great message. I have shared it with others.

To be fair, The Atheist makes some valid points. Rather than be argumentative and dismissive, all who are religious should use those points to try and do better.

Cleetorn
Fuaamotu, Tonga

To Esquire::
“To be fair, The Atheist makes some valid points.”
The problem is that those “valid points” are mixed into a stew of misrepresentation designed to make truth appear as falsehood. Big Rich got it right with “Cherry picking scriptures out of context and then applying to them to situations totally unrelated to the church that espouses those actions is unfair and misleading.”

Cleetorn
Fuaamotu, Tonga

To pragmatistferlife::

The way I see it, you took a single paragraph out of context. The article consists of everything before and after your quotation. The article is not based on “why think beyond immediate kin and community’” but “improve upon it [the world/community] by embracing our obligation to live with greater faith, hope and charity.” Read the whole thing before passing such harsh judgment on it.

Stay the Course
Salt Lake City, utah

The atheist your comments sound similar to what Vanka and The Scientist make hmmmm you must be related

G L W8
SPRINGVILLE, UT

I don't want to be unkind. But I must remind those atheists that blame all historical troubles on "religion" that the skirts of many atheistic people--Stalin and Hitler, for example--are not clean. Seems to me the key is an individual one. If an avowed atheist is committed to an existential practice of ethics, moral choices, accountability for one's actions, etc., there is hope!

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