The First Presidency has stated, 'There is a distinction between immoral
thoughts and feelings and participating in either immoral heterosexual or any
homosexual behavior.' If you do not act on temptations, you have not
transgressed."I have been a member of the LDS Church for many
years and I have always loved the way we are encouraged to love and show
tolerance. I am disturbed because I am afraid that there are radical groups that
are taking advantage of the LDS gay who are struggling. Even as a
'straight' member I understand the gospel and that there are many
doctrine that are not 'negotiable.' If they were ~ we would cease to
be a church. I know that the gay members would have the support that they need
from the church, but the church can only go so far as much is left up to the
individuals choices. There is Divine Law ~ it is what it is.
@KalindraJust wondering--not that this will change your mind, I'm
sure, and not enough can be said in a forum like this to really address the
issue--but, have you ever asked a child of divorced or single parents whether
they prefer their current situation to that of having both a mother and father
in the home? Certainly, not *every* child would answer that having both a
mother and father would be better, because perhaps one of the parents was a
deadbeat. But most kids would certainly choose to have both a mother and a
father. And kids from such families generally do better educationally,
financially, emotionally, et cetera than peers who do not (and they are more
likely to continue the traditional marriage trend, benefitting their posterity).
And, you pointed to crime rates being low, but you ignored those who are
actually committing the crimes. Or did you also want to argue that their
numbers are not disproportionately large from families without both a mother and
The scriptures teach that usually the Lord does not remove our challenges, but
as we strive to keep our covenants and call upon him for help and tap into the
power of His atonement, he strengthens us with His grace to become equal to the
challenge we are struggling with.
@just an observer oh good the slippery slope argument I thought we where
not going to see this silly logic here. By the way society is far from
disintegrating. In case you missed it crime rates are very low and then
pregnancy is the lowest it has been since they first started tracking it in
1940. darn that sexual revolution anyway. Maybe you should start with actaully
doing a little research and learn a little history.
There really is a need to show love and support for all of our brothers and
sisters--especially those who struggle with same-sex attraction. The rates of
depression and suicide among this group of people is staggering, inside and
outside of the Church. I appreciate the effort of BYU students to increase
understanding and love. However, I feel that subtle points in this approach are
cause for concern. The emphasis on affirming statements such as "I am
gay," "I am lesbian," etc., clouds the issue. While I agree that
there is a biological component to attraction, the issue is one of attraction
and not of personal identity. I would hesitate to refer to other people in this
way because it implies that they are meant to pursue homosexual relationships,
which directly contradicts the gospel of Jesus Christ. Each of us has desires
that we need to overcome--many of which we cannot control on our own. The
miracle of the gospel is that every last one of us can have our hearts
fundamentally changed as we trust in Christ and continue working at it on our
own. For those with same-sex attraction, you are loved.
@PhrancWhere to begin with that? There is soooooo much more to it than,
"denying people their rights" or, "it's all about H8". I
could go on and on (and on), and not doing so likely won't do the subject
justice, but I'll try to do it in a very brief sentence: The sexual
revolution was a huge mistake. Society has deteriorated considerably, affecting
lives and quality of lives of so many, mainly those who are children of those
who didn't feel being married was essential to being parents. If we want
to extrapolate, homosexuality doesn't become "accepted" if the
sexual revolution doesn't happen. And extrapolating further, gay marriage
is the final hole to try to keep plugged before the floodgates open. If gay
marriage becomes legal, it truly won't be long before a host of other forms
of "marriage" are considered "rights" as well. Society as we
know/knew it will be lost forever until something happens to help reasonable
people once again see reason.
gharmons; google "It gets better BYU'
How can we see that film?
@milojthatchin califronia the lDS church was actively pushing to take away
gays right to marry the person they love, hardly tolerant. I am sorry if they
said mean things to you but you are not a victim you are an agressor.
It took me 3 days to watch the video because I thought it would promote the gay
agenda, and I didn't want to support that with my viewer statistic.When I finally did, I found it to be amazingly touching. The young men
and women on the video express their faith in the Savior and their love for the
gospel, and share a message of peace with others who have similar struggles. I
think they deserve the love and support of our Christian community.
Good for them. Progress takes time and these students are helping.
I was very encouraged when I read this article. The best and brightest of the
next generation see the divide between the two communities as so last century.
The animosities of the past are quickly disappearing and a new understanding of
love and inclusion is not far off. I agree that respect is a one way street and
it is truly brave and wonderful that so many students and faculty at BYU see
this also. Our LGBT brothers and sisters deserve the love and respect that they
are now receiving. I watched the videos and saw the love and respect that these
students have for the church and it was good to see the respect returned by the
students. There has, and for a while continue to be, disagreements between the
two communities. However, these wonderful spirits have begun to bridge that ugly
divide. My ancestors were persecuted and reviled for the gospel and I have seen
the pain caused by uneducated members of the church towards gays and lesbians.
Both groups are very familiar with pain and suffering because of small minded
people. I encourage everyone to watch these videos and do our part to end the
As one who grew up in LA and having been attacked from gays and gay supports for
my religion, I have a unique perspective on this issue. I realize from a first
hand account that it exist on a very thin line, with many from all sides ready
to pounce. The thing is, despite what our critics may say, even thought we in
the LDS faith know and see the act of homosexuality as a sin, that does not mean
we don't love and respect those struggling with those feelings, any less
then we do for any other sinner, which is everyone.It saddens me
when people who cry for "tolerances" then have none to show themselves
for those who disagree with them. I pray in time, we can bridge the gap of
trust and understanding between both sides. The church will never be ok with
certain things, but we also have a lot of love if others will accept it, and see
it for what it really is. Respect is a two way street!
The video is excellent. Kudos to BYU for taking some forward steps. I worry,
though, that gay students may still be subjected to a double standard and forms
of affection seen as perfectly acceptable and chaste for straight students, such
as hugs, hand holding, and kissing, will be treated as unchaste when done by
same sex couples.