Published: Friday, April 6 2012 4:56 p.m. MDT
There's only one better way to fight crime -- morality. Anything else is bound to fail.Our Nation needs to throw off the
amoral relativism foisted on us by godless liberals and return to honesty,
decency, and the love of God and country that are our only chance at avoiding
chaos and misery.
This opinion piece represents left wing excusim at its worst. This sort of soft
on crime attitude is the wrong approach.Passing out balloons and
lollipops to hardened criminals is not the way to protect the public. A failure
to hold people accountable for crime simply leads to more of it.We
must never forget that the reason we lock up criminals is to give the public a
break from being victimized. It is more important to protect the public than it
is to help criminals feel good about themselves.The fact that
violent crime continues to happen at an alarming rate is proof that we are not
incarcerating enough people. Perhaps those who oppose incarceration will be the
first to volunteer to be assaulted, raped, and murdered so that the general
public might be spared.
"The era of mass incarceration." A sad day that we have allowed this to
happen. This is how it works:States build jails. By keeping jail beds
full they request more funding to build more jails. They keep jails full by
passing laws to imprison people for more things, just as the article states.
Prisons are build, and sometimes operated by private corporations. These
corporations have a vested interested in keeping people in prison, as they built
the prions and profit from them (from our tax dollars). Therefore they have
lobbyists on Capital Hill lobbying for longer prison sentences in bills passed.
The War on Drugs as unsuccessful and popular as it may be is lining the pockets
of those who make money on the suffering and incarceration of others. Don't think for a moment that those building the prisons have any desire
to help those they incarcerate within their walls. In fact just the opposite.
Please do your own research, its happening right here in Utah as well.
@John Charity SpringOnce again you didn't read the article nor do you
see what is happening in real life. Drug convictions are filling our prisons.
We all agree to imprison violent and sexual offenders. Why then do they seem to
get out at a much faster rate then drug offences, a victim-less crime.We
all want murderers and rapist behind bars. Lets free up our law enforcement
from the drug war so they can fight actual crime. Before we can legalize
drugs across the board, we as a society need to accept that drugs/alcohol can
not be used as an excuse for crimes committed. Alcohol doesn't make one
violent, nor does drugs. The person maybe violent and uses drugs/alcohol. That
simple. Once we can legalize drugs, they cannot be an excuse for criminal
behavior. Because they are not. We all know that drinking alcohol doesn't
This op-ed piece is absolutely correct. The Old Testament attitude does not
work. When you look at incarceration rates, the U.S. leads the world by a huge
margin. We are at 743 per 100,000. Rwanda is second with 595 per 100,000. The
next major Western nation is the U.K. at 156 per 100,000. We are either a
terrible people, or our justice/penal system is messed up. It's one or the
other. Building more prisons and incarcerating a higher percentage of our
people is very expensive, both short-term and long-term. Who benefits? Yet
another industry that leeches off the taxpayers. It would be more effective if
we found other more constructive ways to deal with our problems. All we are
doing now is shoving our problems into human warehouses instead of addressing
the root problems of our society. People with the attitude of procuradorfiscal
and Spring, blaming "liberals" and anyone else with whom they disagree,
will accomplish nothing. I think we, as a people, are better than this.
Conservatives who claim to be Christian and want to save tax dollars should be
on board. No one said it would be easy.
Well and wisely said, Midvaliean, all points. I couldn't agree more nor
could have stated it better.
I agree with three premises in the article and responses:1. You
start with teaching morality (honesty, consideration for others etc) in the
home (because the schools won't or can't teach it).2. We
need solutions that do not punish society twice, once by the criminal actions of
recidivists and secondly for the highly expensive punishments involving
incarceration in jails requiring prison guards and, and "basic" full
board and lodging, and psychologists to attempt to mitigate the seriousness of
the crime, while usually failing to change the criminal attitude.3.
We need to consider ending the "War on Drugs" methods that seem to
generate most of the population of criminals. Experience might be the best
teacher. If you're habitually drunk or stoned you aren't hired,
people don't trust you, your life is miserable and your status low (most
people don't excuse your behavior like "professionals" do). We can still fight drug use in other ways: people are sometimes
persuaded not to use tobacco, to stop wasting money on booze etc. We can make
people pay money for illegal vices as they do for "legal" vices; if you
made the mess, you clean it up.
Not one poster here has refuted the basic fact that criminals cannot rape and
murder the general public when they are incarcerated. Anybody who favors
releasing dangerous criminals believes that it is better to put the public at
risk for rape and murder than it is to inconvenience criminals.The
comparrison of US incarceration rates with China, Russia, and Africa is absurd.
China executes tens of thousands each year, and thus there are not as many to
look up. Russia is far too incompetent to catch criminals in the first place.
Africa is too poor for effective law enforcement, and leaves it up to the
victim's family to exact justice by violent retribution.Either
you support locking up violent criminals, or you support lawlessness and
anarchy. There is no other way.
Re:JCSpringNobody is advocating/proposing releasing rapists and
murderers.In the future you can save time and DN space by cutting
out the extraneous sentences beyond "liberals are to blame."
Gildas wrote: "1. You start with teaching morality (honesty, consideration
for others etc) in the home (because the schools won't or can't teach
it)."That is absolutely false. Teachers at all levels in our
schools work very hard to try to teach all those traits. It works for many
students. But there are some whose homes are such tangled messes, that any
attempt to overcome what they have learned there is practically hopeless.Will you please tell us how to overcome that obstacle?
Good point One Old ManFor some, it takes a village, because home is
a shambles or unaware.I've had experience with people who grew
up in dysfunctional, and even abusive situations, who then had children of their
own. Sadly, often the dysfunction continues into the next generation. Early
intervention is critical, and there are no simple answers.
@procuradofiscalSounds like you are trying to force a square peg
into a round hole. You think it's a bunch of secularists in the prisons
today?Maybe you should Google "Psychology Today: psychology
today our humanity, naturally misinformation about secularism"Guess where the highest crime rates are? Highly religious areas. Most
criminals in prison are Christian.Of course, there are also many
atheists in prison, to be sure, but they are underrepresented, so I don't
know that your argument is very sound.
Of course rehabilitation is a good idea. But having known an addict or two I can
tell you that getting them to give up the habit is a lifelong struggle. There
are addicts who manage to stay employed, and there are addicts who never hold
down a job. The latter, I can assure you, are making ends meet somehow - often
criminally. People who drive with suspended licenses are jailed because
they've already often had a major infraction, like a DUI. Improving
educational outcomes is a fight we've waged for years with no magic
solutions. I highly doubt the CDF's claim that 60% of Caucasians are
reading below grade level. If that's the case then "grade level"
has been set unreasonably high.The late scientist James Q. Wilson
discovered that long prison sentences reduce crime not by deterring the criminal
but by keeping him in a place where he can't commit the crime. He estimated
that about half the decline in crime since 1991 peak was due to the 1974 ban on
use of lead in gasoline and paint.
"... we need to increase our use of effective treatments such as medications
for opiate/heroin addicts or alcoholics. These are rarely used today." You
have gotta be kidding me! These "effective treatments" do not exist.
Medicine has not been able to offer us a way to effectively treat these two
addictions, and methamphetamine addiction is even worse. For instance,
methadone programs just substitute one opiate for another. Nearly all the
inmates at the Utah State Prison have addiction to one drug or another in their
recent past."Treating offenders will reduce prison and probation
rolls by nearly 30 percent." Really. Don't believe it. Legalizing
drugs would be a disaster of historic proportions, far worse than the
lawlessness and organized crime that followed prohibition of alcohol. Good,
hardworking, honest people cannot allow this to happen.
Self medicators need help but they don't need prison. They need
availability to safer medicine. Alcohol, cigarettes, cocaine, heroin, meth, etc
are not the answer; too many health problems, death and crime with real victims
are all too often the results.Perhaps the decriminalization, not
legalization of home grown marijuana(for personal use only, not for commercial
sale)could be the great buffer. Less health issues. Less war on drug related
crime and death. Less prison sentences. Less victimless crime = less criminals =
prison costs. We would end up with virtually the same number of
"wasted" individuals, (when compared to alcohol, prescription and non
prescription drug users), but a larger percentage of wasted individuals
harmlessly asleep in bed with smiles on their faces not committing crimes nor
creating victims of crime. (I would prefer that humanity find a way
to deal with life without resorting to mind altering chemicals, but if we cannot
prevent this behavior in a million years of trying, I suggest we allow for safer
non criminal methods for self medication that does not result in
incarceration.)Note: Is Mountain Dew mind altering? ;)
The drug war is ridiculous. How many non-violent criminals are locked up? How
many come back out violent?We need a change both for economic
reasons and civil liberties. As said earlier, drug addicts don't get hired
.... that's the lesson to teach. That being said I know some very
successful attorneys who occasionally do drugs and they are far from criminal,
violent, or 'bad' in any way. They just exercise their civil liberty
(that they should have) responsibly.
I don't see this viewpoint as one that is soft on crime as much as one that
is trying to figure out the factors that lead to criminal behavior. One factor
that was left out is mental health. Many, many inmates suffer from mental
health issues. The mental health issues are manifested in drug and alcohol
abuse (self-medication) and low literacy rates. I have had two friends that
have had significant encounters with the law, and both were the direct results
of mental illness issues. The cost of treating brain chemical issues is often
so high that treatment is simply unaffordable.An ounce of prevention
still is worth a pound of cure.
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