Shorts,You got me there ... Baylor really should've thumped
motorbike And Baylor should of thumped BYU but they didn't.
IONA was a good team on the bubble. As were many teams. Qwest
Perfected "Maybe you can be proud of taking 3rd place in the WCC.
lol" Third place in a conference where 3 teams make the NCAA is better then
11th place in a conference that places how many teams was that again?
@snacpacAlso, since you're so good at researching and quoting
statistics, tell me how the WCC ranks in comparison with other conferences.Everything I have seen had them ranked below the PAC 12 - but that just
can't be right because byu plays in the WCC right? Something is just not
@snacpacSo now you're beating your chest about NCAA tournament
appearances???Before Jimmer byu was only known for first round
losses. That Wooden Award winner that you're so proud of won a total of 3
NCAA tournament games in his entire career at byu. His biggest accomplishment
was getting his team to the sweet 16.If that makes you so happy, I
suggest that you print a tee shirt and get a dozen or so Utah county businesses
to sponsor it so you can hand it out to the mighty coug fan base.The
stats you throw out are so impressive it almost makes it seem like byu has been
a powerhouse in basketball. But of course if you look a little further, you
find out that they aren't. When was the last time they were a conference
champion that wasn't a shared title? The Utes even managed to win the MWC
conference a few years back tied with byu and New Mexico I believe - except the
Utes went on to win the conference tournamnet that year too.Maybe
you can be proud of taking 3rd place in the WCC. lol
shorts -No I'm not saying Utah would have beat IONA ... in fact
Utah would've lost to most the country including IONA. That being said,
IONA's RPI was way over-inflated and BYU should have thumped them.
There's a reason all the experts were shocked to see them make the
tourney.But tell me, why are you so obsessed with Utah even though my
comment had nothing to do with Utah?
RE: motorbikeYou make IONA sound like a bad team. IONA beat Maryland, and
St Joes. They won 25 game they lost to Prudue by One. Are you saying that Utah
would of beat IONA?
RE: Qwest PerfectedYou say " good team recently, but they have
only won 3 NCAA tournament games in 30 or so years." You could also say BYU
has won 3 NCaa Tournament games in 2 years or 4 NCAA tournament game in 3 years.
If I use your static, BYU is 26 and 14 in football over utah in the past 40
years. I'm skipping the fact you have owned us in the past 10 years. It
is funny how we can make things look if we try.
Wait ... a BYU fan is making fun of t-shirt slogans, and fictitious ones at
that? Wow, I guess someone forgot about the band of brothers ... which disbanded
one of their Heisman hopeful brothers awfully quick. And let's not
speak of the unfulfilled quest for perfection ... especially when the rival team
who didn't print the t-shirts were the ones to actually accomplish the
great feat that same season.T-shirts? BYU definitely knows t-shirts.
SoonerUte"Ute program on the rise..."It's
almost sad to see the Ute faithful getting excited about possibly improving to
double-digit win, albeit, losing seasons...Almost.In a
few more years, the Utes might even return to the halcyon days of 2007-08.
SoonerUte"Ute program on the rise..." That's a great
basketball tee-shirt slogan!It will go about as far as your other
sport slogans such as 'Ute Baseball Omaha 2012' and 'Pac 10.2
South Division Football Champs 2011'
StGtoSLC"Sweet 16. Has anyone else in-state done any
better?"That's it??? The way Utah fans carry
on, I was expecting at least a couple of Final Fours and a National
Championship.The truth is, Utah had a nice run in the 90's, but
has done precious little since their 1998 final.THIS CENTURYBYU 302-125(71%), 138-58(70%), 9 NCAA tournaments, 6 conference
championships, 11 20+ win seasonsUtah 236-175(57%), 107-91(54%), 6 NCAA
tournaments, 5 conference championships, 6 20+ win seasonsInterestingly, Kentucky, Utah's old nemesis, just won its first John R.
Wooden (Player of the Year) AwardBYU has two Wooden Award winners -
Ainge and FredetteUtah has only one winner - BogutOverall, BYU
has done MUCH better than Utah THIS CENTURY; it's not even close.btw, it's been 14 years since Utah's NCAA Finals run. It was 14
years before that, that BYU won the 1984 National Championship in football.When are Utah fans going to stop living in the past? At
least BYU has recent success (5 Top 25 Finishes in the last 6 years) to go along
with its glorious past.
"Tell me, what exactly has Utah done in basketball THIS CENTURY?"Sweet 16. Has anyone else in-state done any better?
motorbikeYour insecurity simply shows the hollow arrogance of a
fanbase that's bought into the notion that conference affiliation is the
end-all-be-all of judging how good a particular team is.#45 BYU beat
a team IN THE NCAA TOURNAMENT, #40 Iona, that had a higher RPI than EVERY team
in the PAC 12 except #38 California, which LOST it's opening round game to
#52 South Florida, a team ranked lower than both BYU and Iona.btw,
BYU's win wasn't a near miracle; it was simply a great comeback
starting from 25 points down in the first half to cutting the deficit to 15
points at the half. Making up a 15-point deficit in the 2nd half to win 78-72 is
hardly miraculous.Bottom line:BYU and Utah basketball
have been heading in opposite directions for many years. While BYU has become a
regular in the NCAA tournament, Utah sees a mass exodus of players every Spring
because the basketball program has become so dysfunctional.It's
laughable that a program that hasn't won an NCAA tournament game in over 7
years should be trying to minimize ANY NCAA tournament win.
@Snack PACYou might want to go back and read SoonerUte's
comment again. I'll help you out, he never said anything about BYU
not getting a tournament win. He simply stated the truth which is that it took a
near miracle to come back to beat IONA - IONA! - to reach the round of 64.Your comment shows a lot of insecurity with your need to defend the play-in
game the way you continually do.
"Javon Dawson, Chris Hines, George Matthews, Anthony Odunsi and Kareem
Storey were also granted scholarship releases,..." along with Dijon Farr.Why sugarcoat it instead of just acknowledging what really happened?
Coach small k booted every one of them to make room for better talent.
QP Here's a simple exercise that even a Utah fan should be able
to do.Go to the Official NCAA website at NCAA.com / sports /
basketball-men / d1 and click on the "Bracket" link. Now tell me the
names of the 8 teams shown in the bracket next to the First Four and First Round
headings.btw, by your distorted "logic", #38 RPI California,
listed in the same bracket as BYU and Iona, and the ONLY PAC 12 team with a
higher RPI than #40 Iona and #45 BYU, didn't even play in the NCAA
tournament because the Bears LOST their "play-in" game, officially
making the PAC 12 a one-bid, small conference league.
QPDespite the misinformation spewed ad nauseum by our jealous little
friends on the hill, BYU did win a First Round game and officially finished with
a 1-1 record in the 2012 NCAA Basketball Tournament, without Jimmer.It's funny how Utah fans whine about BYU fans living in the past, yet
that's exactly what they're doing. Tell me, what exactly has Utah done
in basketball THIS CENTURY?Since Utah's last win in the
tournament:BYU 185-54 (77.4%), 6 NCAA tournaments, 4 wins, 4
conference championships, 7 20+ win seasonsUtah 101-119 (45.9%), 1 NCAA
tournament, 0 wins, 1 conference championship, 1 20+ win seasonhead-to-headBYU 11Utah 3including 10 of the last 11BYU leads the overall series 128-125BYU is tied with Utah in total
NCAA tournament appearances - 27BYU is tied with Utah in total NCAA
tournament wins this century - 4As far as improvement, it would be
nearly impossible for the Utes not to be better next season.Out of
345 Division 1 basketball programs, Utah was 339th in scoring this year.
@snacpacA play in game is a play in game. I don't understand
why that is something coug "fans" argue about. It's not only Utah
fans that refer to it as such - please save me what the official website says.
The cougs played a great game to come back by 25 points to beat Iona and make it
to the first round.As far as comparing tournament appearances goes,
the biggest difference is that Utah actually won games while they were there.
So I do give the cougs credit for being a good team recently, but they have only
won 3 NCAA tournament games in 30 or so years. Those wins can all be credited
to Jimmer - who was an amazing college player. Probably the best player to ever
play at the y -other than perhaps Danny Ainge. All I'm saying is be happy
that your team is good because you never know how long it will last but
comparing the two programs doesn't do much for you.The Utes
will be better. They are putting together a team that is much improved than
SoonerUte"This-year: Cougars had to come back against Iona
(Iona!) to get into the field of 64."Nice try, but...BYU was already IN THE TOURNAMENT and beat Iona in the NCAA FIRST ROUND! Obviously, it's been so long since the Utes played in the
tournament that U didn't even know that there's no longer any such
thing as a play-in game. (See official NCAA tournament record.)#40
Iona and #45 BYU both had a higher RPIs than EVERY team in the PAC 12 except #37
California.BYU has played in 6 straight NCAA tournaments, already
equal to the longest NCAA tournament streak in Utah history, with a good chance
of continuing that streak for many more years to come.
Really, what message is this sending future recruits. The practice
of releasing current scholarships to improve talent is exploitive of athletes
that are subject to coaches and Universities keeping their promises. Florida,
Nebraska, Georgia Tech, Ohio State have all voiced disgust with this process. Huston Nut at Ole Miss defended the practice, he is now looking for
work and Ole Miss is in disarray. This appears to be common practice
in the PAC 12, USC currently has 77 football players signed with only 75
scholarships available. Not surprising to see the PAC 12 struggling to regain
past greatness. John Wooden never did and never would release a
player from his scholarship to improve team talent. He taught integrity by
The hits just keep on coming.
@sooneruteYou continue to post your foolishness LOL!@u
90Go ahead and tell yourself that, but bad is bad and when you only
win 6 games it really doesn't mean naymoe than winning 1 game or 7 games,
it simply means you suck. But hey it sounds you you were thrilled with that win
total so who am I to tell you that things could be better LOL!
Jimmer-year: Cougars were in the mix for a number one seed.This-year:
Cougars had to come back against Iona (Iona!) to get into the field of 64.Next-year: Cougars rebuild after losing 3 seniors.On my graph
chart that's called "a downward trend".
Duck,Yes, further down does exist. In fact other teams have proven
it. To win less than six games would be considered further down.... say perhaps
a team wins only 1 game, then that would be considered further down.
re: SoonerUte "It is understandable that Cougar fans wanted Utah to keep
the players from the 6 win season. As the Cougar program is headed down, they
hate to see the Ute program on the rise."Really? Cougars headed
down? You're either dreaming or not informed. We're coming off a 26
win season, an NCAA invite with 9 Freshman. The Cougs will be better next year
than this year. And look who we pick up 2012 - Tyler Haws, Ian Harward,
Stephen Rogers and maybe Chris Collinsworth2013 - Kyle Collinsworth, Isaac
Nielson2014 and beyond - Jordan Chatman, Nick Emery, Demarcus Harrison, TJ
Haws, Jakob HartsockBYU is a program that will reach 25 - 30 wins
for at least the next 5 years.My guess - both BYU and Utah will
improve their number of wins by 2 or 3 next year.
CougFanTx, it's simple math, the Utes have to make room for all the new
signees. Six or seven new guys coming in means 6-7 current guys need to
leave.Of the group that is leaving, I thought Farr and Hines had a
decent shot at making the top 8 in the rotation.... guess I was wrong
Now I'm no insider but it seems to me a lot of players on last years team
were told flat out by the coaching staff that they would not be playing
significant numbers next year. None of these players were legit D1 players let
alone legit players for a power conference. Glad to see that the recruiting
standards are on the rise up on the hill.
It is understandable that Cougar fans wanted Utah to keep the players from the 6
win season. As the Cougar program is headed down, they hate to see the Ute
program on the rise.
CFIT, Farr has one year to play one and is not already a graduate, meaning he
has to transfer down to DII, DIII or NAIA to keep playing. Th is right, as much
as I hate to see him go, the forwards coming in this year vastly eclipse him in
talent and experience (Dijon really hasn't been playing basketball all that
long like most college players have), so finding meaningful minutes would have
Had to happen. Talent won't come if there are no scholarships. Pretty
simple.Unfortunate for these kids for sure but they knew what they
were up against. Good luck.
These players knew before the season began that they wouldn't sniff the
floor after 2011-2012 season. Whether Farr would have been a decent role player
or not, his minutes were headed towards zero!The only player
I've been surprised about at this point was Chris Hines. The others, well,
they were average JC players. They should not be playing D1 ball and especially
at the level they were needed to play at. This will be the last mass exit from
the program that Utah will see.Cedric Martin might be decent next
year with less pressure and attention on him. Utah has 5 excellent players
joining the program this fall, 2 that have been with the team sitting out on
transfer rules, and Foster back. Utah will have length and athletes next season.
Something they lacked in a big way this season.Utah will push for
.500 or better next season. Had Foster played this year they would have made
double digit wins. Not because he is such a great scorer, but because he changes
multiple shots per game with his length.GO Utes....
Byu fans, (and a lot of Utah fans too) have no idea what is actually going on
inside the program. The quality of players that is coming in next year is much
better than the players that have left this year. When you only win 6 games,
changes need to be done. The players knew first hand and the beginning of the
year that they may only be at Utah for one year so every one of these players
are no suprise to me that they have been given a release. Utah has already
brought on several very quality players for next year, and are in play for 3
more very quality Pac 12 caliber players. Givon Crump will be a Ute, mark that
down, and he is a very good basketball player and will definantly push Utah into
contention for postseason play next year.Dont be suprised to see
Utah floating around .500 next year and possibly getting a CIT type bid. With
how bad the past couple years have been for Utah basketball, the future is
RE: CougFanHe may not want to lose these players on a personal
level, but on a coaching level he knew it was going to have to happen. When you
are recruiting 5-7 kids to come join your program and you had only 2 seniors on
last years team (with 1 coming back because of a medical redshirt) simple math
tells you that more players are going to have to leave. You have to mkae your
team better and upgrade the talent whereever you can. And if you didn't
hear last years team wasn't very good, so really what are you losing??
The merry go around continues!
The mass exodus continues - three years in a row. Don't tell me Krystko
wanted to lose all these players. Utes will not reach double digit wins again
next year, and we will see many of this years heralded recruits heading for the
exits after next season.
"We really want to thank Dijon for all of his efforts this year and we wish
him the best of luck in the future," Utah coach Larry Krystkowiak said in a
released statement.As everyone knew, despite coach k's blather
about working hard and never giving up, it was all just a bunch of hot air. He
knew all along that most of his players would be shown the door as soon as the
season was over."Good luck kid, and don't let the door hit
you in the fanny on the way out."
DJ may be the one I'm saddest to hear about leaving, mostly because
he'll be a senior this year and had some decent skills he could have added
as a role player next year. He's a good defensive player, a decent range
shooter, and can jump. He was a fun personality, too. Good luck to him next year
and in his future.