KHThe argument only gets old (for Utah fans) because it's
true.The gold standard for judging the overall success of a season
is final Top 25 rankings... it's ironic, therefor, that the only time Utah
fans give any credence to Top 25 rankings is when Utah is ranked or when Utah
beats a ranked team.Top 25 Rankings During the Bronco/Kyle eraBYU 5Utah 3
According to byu fans, it seems that every year Utah beats byu in football, byu
was the better team and got snubbed by the refs or improved over the season and
was the better team by the end of the season. That argument kind of gets old
when Utah has won 7 of the last 10 meetings between the two teams and 2 of those
wins have lead to undefeated seasons and BCS bowl wins. Just give
credit where credit is due. Utah won. Bronco agrees with me that byu fans are
not the most educated fans about football, especially when you try to argue that
byu was better than Utah after getting beat by Utah by 44 points.
@pebblesBYU continues to dominate, yes that is correct
"DOMINATE", utah across the board in athletics. utah seldom wins a head
to head matchup with BYU in the vast majority of sports, and when I say seldom
it means very, very rarely.LOL!
@khSo by your logic colorado is the better team as well? Oh wait,
that sort of utah "fan" logic is only in play when you think it benefits
Snack PacOh that's funny. A byu fan resorts to talking trash
about Utah losing to Colorado because she can't talk trash about Utah
losing to byu. "By the end of the season, BYU was the better
team, as the final rankings attest."Go ahead and believe that if
you will. I obviously won't be able to change your mind. I'll just
go to sleep knowing that byu lost to Utah by 44 points and now byu's fans
are feeling great about their program because the last 3/4 of their schedule
they beat up on the nation's weakest teams. The Utah byu game
is played for a reason. The winner of that game is the better team that year,
especially when it is a blowout.
KHI also remember that game in November when Utah lost to a pathetic
Colorado team.By the end of the season, BYU was the better team, as
the final rankings attest.
@ Snack Pack"On the other hand, if BYU had Utah's schedule,
the Cougars would have won the PAC 12 South with an 11-2 record, losing only to
USC and either California or Arizona State"Actually, if byu had
Utah's schedule last year then they would still have to play Utah. So
according to your logic they would have lost to USC, either California or
Arizona State, and Utah. Don't you remember that game in September where
Utah beat byu by 44 points. That game still would have happened had the
schedules been reversed. You are now trying to pretend like an
actual game never happened.
Pebble of Marne"So your baseball team won a game, big
wow,..."BYU didn't just win A baseball game, the Cougars
have beaten the Utes in just about every sport they've played.Women's Soccer - BYU 5, Utah 0Women's Volleyball - BYU 3, Utah
0Football - Utah 54, BYU 10Men's Basketball - BYU 61, Utah
42Women's Basketball - BYU 63, Utah 58Women's Swimming -
BYU 162, Utah 138Men's Swimming - BYU 161, Utah 139Women's
Gymnastics - Utah 197.55, BYU 194.45Men's Tennis - BYU 5, Utah 2Women's Tennis - Utah 5, BYU 2Baseball - BYU 9, Utah 8Baseball - BYU 9, Utah 6Of the 12 head-to-head contests between
BYU and Utah,BYU 9Utah 3BYU has won the Deseret
Duel four out of five times.And the above list doesn't even
include Track & Field, Cross-Country, Men's Volleyball, Golf, and
Rugby, all sports in which BYU has won at least one National Championship.Any way you slice it, BYU's overall athletic program is superior to
pebblesBYU fans have nothing on the illogic of Utah fans who somehow
think that finishing 4-5 in football, 3-15 in basketball, in any conference, let
alone a "power" conference, impresses ANYBODY.BYU finished
in the Top 25 in football AND played in the NCAA basketball tournament for the
FIFTH time in the last six years; Utah has only been able to do that FOUR times
in their ENTIRE HISTORY.Utah fans will soon learn that being a
perennial bottom dweller in a power conference doesn't mean diddly.
BYU fan illogic makes me laugh every time. Face it guys you're a mid major
WAC football team and WCC member for everything else; nobody outside your fan
base is impressed by that. Your football team (the most important sport to
most) got beat six ways from Sunday by the Utes who had they not taken pity on
the hapless DIV II looking cougs could have easily put up 70 plus points; in the
last decade your team has won a whopping 30% of its games aginst the Utes come
November now September; not to mention a 21 game series lead that will never
fall. So your baseball team won a game, big wow, they're certinatly not
Baseball powers like some in the PAC-12. Reality is a good thing Y fan, I
encourage you to embrace it.
@KH"if Utah had BYU's schedule last year, Utah would at
least have an 11-2 record..."wishful thinkingIf Utah
had had BYU's schedule, Utah would have had at least 5 losses, losing to
Texas, TCU and Tulsa and splitting with UCF, Utah St, Hawaii and Ole Miss, all
ranked higher than that pathetic Colorado team that beat the Utes in RES.#17 Texas#20 TCU#35 Tulsa#77 Central Florida#80
Utah State#97 Hawaii#103 Ole Miss#107 ColoradoOn
the other hand, if BYU had Utah's schedule, the Cougars would have won the
PAC 12 South with an 11-2 record, losing only to USC and either California or
Arizona State (both ranked lower than the Tulsa team BYU beat in their bowl
game.#12 USC#35 Tulsa#38 California#41 Arizona
State#44 Washington#56 Georgia Tech#64 Arizona#66
UCLA#83 Wash St#87 Oregon St#107 Colorado#69
Pittsburgh#69 PittsburghBYU's 10-3 record was good enough
to get the Cougars into the Top 25, which is something to brag about, unlike the
Ute's, who finished unranked, as usual.
Whatever helps you sleep at night Jealous U. All I know is that if Utah had
byu's schedule last year, Utah would at least have an 11-2 record (beating
byu and all of the terrible wac teams). Utah probably would have lost to TCU
but I think they would have had a good chance to win against Texas. 11-2 at the
worst and possibly 12-1. So your 10-3 record is nothing to brag about, beating
a bunch of high school teams.
@devlishuteNah it really doesn't bother me. You can keep
posting it all you want and it still won't bother me. But it does bother
you that utah was so incredibly mediocre and that they lost to one of the worst
teams in college football and that they had a losing conference record.
What I find funny is U stunk up your first season in the PAC 12 so badly, that U
have to resort to a 7-turnover gift against an "irrelevant, mid-major,
Independent" (or so U claim), to make yourselves feel like U accomplished
something during your first year in the PAC 12.And after all was
said and done, the experts still said that BYU had a better season, overall,
Unfortunately, what our little friends on the hill so blindly refuse to accept
is that one game does not a season make.Utah beating BYU
doesn't prove Utah was a better team any more than Colorado beating Utah
proved Colorado was a better team.Case in point:BYU beat
Oregon State on the road 38-28 (+10 points)ASU beat Oregon State at home
35-20 (+15 points)ASU beat Utah on the road 35-14 (+21 points)By Utah fan "logic", BYU should have beaten Utah by close to the same
margin as ASU beat the Utes.PROVING that head-to-head scores are
meaningless in trying to project results against common opponents.One thing that can't be disputed, Bronco has never lost to a 10+ loss
team; Kyle has lost to two of them.Bronco was undefeated against the
bottom dwellers of the MWC - Wyoming, CSU, New Mexico, and UNLV; Kyle lost to
all of them.I chuckle every time I see Utah fans posting 54-10,
because I know how hard it is for them to reconcile Utah beating BYU, but BYU
finishing in the Top 25 and Utah finishing UNRANKED!
Duhkunter,54-10!I know that still eats you up inside to
hear that score. I still chuckle every time I think about how much smack you
talked before the game and then after the game you "were in Tulsa" for
several weeks. What will be your excuse this year? Des Moines?It's not worth bringing up CO. We all know Utah lost, choked even. What
I find funny is BYU got beat so badly by Utah that you have to resort to talking
about Utah results against other schools to talk smack.
Duckhunter,What is your point? Yeah, Utah lost to a terrible
Colorado team. It was a huge let down. It is just funny to me that byu fans
can talk trash about Utah when Utah beat byu 54-10 last year. byu
won 10 games last year against some of the worst teams in college football.
byu's best win was against Utah State. The three losses byu suffered came
against decent opponents. Yet because it was "another 10 win season",
byu fans believe that it was a successful season and start yapping about how
great its football team is. I'll take an 8-5 record, play in
the PAC 12, and put a beat down on byu any day over 10 wins over a bunch of
@kh"BYU would not have won the south"And utah
didn't win the south. They actually had a losing record in conference and
lost, at home, to a 10 loss team that hadn't won a road game in 6 years and
was widely considered the worst team in college football.
"there's no doubt BYU would have won the PAC 12 South"How interesting. Do you really think so? Oh, but there is one problem: Utah
is in the PAC 12 South. And we all know how byu fared against Utah. So I disagree based on facts. byu would not have won the PAC 12 south.
Pugman... SammyG approved... hilarious!"...I've never seen
a group of fans celebrate mediocrity so much." StrikerDon't count on the Utes making it to Omaha this year.
Once again, BYU beats Utah in a sport. No new news here.
"But can you imagine how BYU would do in the PAC 12 last year knowing they
lost to Utah by 44 points?"After watching Utah bumble and
stumble their way through the weak PAC 12 South, and still come within a game of
winning the division, there's no doubt BYU would have won the PAC 12 South
- Bronco doesn't lose to 10-loss teams like Kyle.
KH"That 54-10 game must still be killing you."Hardly, but it is laughable how much pain it's caused the Utes to beat
the Cougars soundly, to have the Cougars play a "WAC" schedule, and yet
have to endure seeing BYU finish in the Top 25, again, while Utah didn't
get a single vote. And to follow that up with watching a rebuilding BYU once
again winning a game in the NCAA tournament, while the Utes were once again
playing couch potato.In their first academic year as an
Independent/WCC member, BYU finished in the Top 25 in football AND played in the
NCAA basketball tournament. Of course the Ute faithful will try to minimize
that, but the truth is, BYU has accomplished that little feat more times in the
last 6 years, than the mighty Utes have done IN THEIR ENTIRE HISTORY!54-10 pales in comparison...btw, U finished a distant 2nd to
VERMONT in skiing, and tiny Denver has more than twice as many NCAA skiing
championships as Utah. How hard can it be to be "good" at skiing when
your main competitors are Vermont and Dartmouth?
Duckhunter,That 54-10 game must still be killing you.
Congratulations on the 10-3 season, beating a bunch of wac teams and losing to
the only 3 decent teams on the schedule. Utah was mediocre last year in
football, I'll give you that. But can you imagine how byu would do in the
PAC 12 last year knowing they lost to Utah by 44 points?
@hailstormOk. Of course that is so important that the other local
paper, you know the one utah "fans" love, didn't even report it.
How many ski meets did you attend this year? Any year?
Duckhunter Skiing--2nd nationally this year-- consistently in the top 5
skiing programs in the nation.
My gosh...you guys are looking at this all wrong. Just ask Ute fans. We are in
the mighty Pac 10...we belong, you don't, 54-10 and your team quit, what
tee shirt are you going to make this year. Oh and let's not forget the
dominating 4-5 record in the Pac that each one of them will remind you that they
were only one win away from the title game. In my whole life of being involved
in athletics, I've never seen a group of fans celebrate mediocrity so much.
In run down programs, new coaches first job is to change a mindset. In the
Ute's fan base their needs to be a mindset change. While it's fine to
be in a great conference...come in knowing you haven't done anything to
make that conference what it is today. In the end the fact remains this....other
than football, you really haven't had a lot to cheer about in a longtime
when it comes to performing with BYU on the atletic field.
Outside of a very mediocre 8-5 football record what other sport is utah actually
good at? Gymnastics is ok although not conference championship caliber. I'm
having a hard time finding one they excell at.
The PAC 10.2--Conference of Champions!! BYU dominates the utes again!!
Lonestar Runner:You said: "not-so-mighty PAC 12 Utes."Remember, the Utes are headed to Omaha this year. Lol
Great comeback for the WCC Cougars over the not-so-mighty PAC 12 Utes.BYU now leads the Deseret Duel 31-16.Let the excuse-making on the