@procuradorfiscalWhen you talk about the "bloated,
unsustainable....." federal bureaucracy, were you also talking the same way
in 1991 when the federal government was it's largest? So when you say the
past three years the federal government has grown by huge numbers, it still has
a long way to go to match the size of the federal government during the
Reagan/Bush era. If you don't believe me, look it up for yourself.1981, 2,806,000 (President Reagan) - number of Americans -
229,465,7141986, 2,966,000 (President Reagan) - number of Americans -
240,132,8871991, 3,048,000 (Presidnet Bush) - number of American -
252,127,4022010, 2,776,000 (President Obama) - number of Americans -
308,745,538So the percentage of Americans working for the federal
government is down from 1.2% in 1991 to .8%. Care to explain how that is more
bloated than when the beloved conservatives were in charge?
@procuradorfiscal"You can't honestly believe the American
public favors the bloated, unsustainable, unaccountable bureaucracy that has
grown up over the years, particularly the last three?"So you do
want to have the public vote on every employee in the federal government, right?
The next time Hill AFB wants to hire a forklift driver, I hope his name is on a
ballot that you can vote for. The American public has the
opportunity every two years to elect members of Congress who will actually do
something, yet they choose time and time again to vote for blowhards who
actually accomplish absolutely nothing but bluster and pander to their base who
eat it up like starving dogs. What has Mr. Chaffetz actually done in his five
years to solve this issue other than talk about it?And, no, I
don't work for the EPA, and I don't have an entitlement mentality. I
work for my paycheck, and take nothing for granted. I make a fair wage for the
work I do. It is a little less than my counterparts in the business world make,
but that's okay. You don't have to incite war on me
He should vote to cut his salary in half, fund his own heath care, cut his staff
in half, close HAFB and then he would not need to make self serving spin
statements appealing for more money for his re-election.
I don’t think Mr. Chaffetz was thinking when he brought up this topic.
He wants to cut other government employees wages or jobs but not his. Mitt wants to cut $100 million annually from overseas budgets, yet we spend
$180 million each day. Mr. Chaffetz idea to cut the jobs of federal employees
will do about as much good.What don’t these folks understand?
They keep away from talking about the military sacred cow. Since
World War 2 our country has maintained bases around the world. It seems we can
no longer afford that luxury. In Europe we maintain 100,000 troops,
families and housing and equipment at what cost? Last month 228
people died in Chicago due to no health care, more than in Iraq and Afghanistan
put together and that is only 1 US city. Our government will fix
Afghanistan’s problems and still be unable to remedy problems
domestically.In 2010 USA spent more on AC tents in Iraq than on all
teachers’ salaries in USA. There are cuts available to the
governmentif they choose to use common sense.
Re: ". . . the American public has given their approval through their
votes."You can't honestly believe the American public
favors the bloated, unsustainable, unaccountable bureaucracy that has grown up
over the years, particularly the last three?You must work for the
EPA.It's that smug, entitlement mentality on the part of 95% of
government bureaucrats that gives the other 5% a bad name.
The most important job to be done is to limit corporate power and put people
back in charge. Rep. Chaffetz is a shill for the corporate lobbyists' who
influence him and the rest of the congress. Corporate America governs and
controls the congress with money, lobbyists and determining elections of public
officials. It won't be easy for the people to fight the rule of giant
corporations, but if they fail America is going to be a totally different
social, cultural, economic nation than that of our present constitution. It will
be more like mideaval Europe feudal system than what we have today
So, if the IRS knows what federal workers haven't paid their taxes are they
imposing penalties etc? If the IRS knows of people not paying their taxes
they usually go after them, and can't they garnish wages?From
the Washington Post: "Federal Employees owe $1.03 billion in unpaid
taxes." "Civilian employees of the Defense Department
— the federal government’s largest employer — fared the worst.
More than 25,600 workers at the departments of the Army, Air Force and Navy owed
a combined $225.7 million, while another 4,600 civilian Pentagon employees owed
$39.4 million.""Five staffers at the U.S. Tax Court owed a
combined $62,508 and another five at the Office of Government Ethics owed
$22,160. Fewer than 1 percent of Treasury Department employees, including the
IRS, owed $9.3 million, the agency said. "
JCS "As a start, all entitlement programs and their positions should be
eliminated.The elimination of entitlement programs would balance the
budget in an instant. The elimination of the jobs in those programs will result
in additional savings." ....Agreed. This would balance the budget and bring
vast savings..but what else would happen if you instantly did away with the
social wlefare net, medicare, medicaid, and social security? You never broach
this..please tell us what your vision of the world is if you could wave a wand
and instantly do away with all entitlements..please explain.
@procuradorfiscal"And they've not yet been asked."Um, yes they have. Since most federal employees work for the Executive
branch and their authority derives from Cabinet-level appointees who are
approved by the Legislative branch, the American public has given their approval
through their votes. I'm guessing you'd like to have an
election over every clerk, doctor, computer programmer, air traffic controller,
and truck driver employed by the federal government?
Re: "As a federal employee, I love my work and believe the work I do on
behalf of our great country is of value."No doubt.But the real question is how do the American people value your work?And they've not yet been asked.
Typical Republican speak. Rep Chaffetz could hold the federal government as an
example. He could point out that in the federal government every employee gets
decent health care coverage and work to see to it that every American gets
decent health care coverage. Instead he wants to drag everyone down to the
lowest level.Also he got his facts wrong. The reason federal
employees are higher paid than those in the private sector is that federal
employees have higher levels of education than people in the private sector.If spending is still too high, how is it that this spending is getting
past the republican house of representatives? The most conservative house of
representatives in decades? No one is putting a gun to their head to vote for
this spending are they? It must be that wars are expensive. Yet republicans
complain that president Obama has set a deadline to get out of Afghanistan.
start by eliminating federal employees' and legislators' health care
packages. Here's a suggestion that would reduce taxpayers' obligation:
give each federal legislator and staff member a $12,000 per year raise, but then
take them all off the health care plan they enjoy. they can each take their $12k
and just try to find private healthcare insurance for themselves and their
families. Then they would know what the rest of us go through and we would soon
see some workable healthcare reform.
The proper and logical way to reduce government, isn't to just say we need
to cut by 'x' percent. People need to decide what they want to
eliminate or reduce.Perhaps enforcement of workplace laws that
dis-allow hazardous conditions at the work place? Perhaps social security?
Perhaps we could cease fighting all the wars we insist in fighting all over the
world, thinking that everybody elses conflict has to be our own.I
have a suggestion, get rid of the ... Do Not Call ... federal workers. I put my
cell phone on the do not call list and a telemarketer insists on calling me
every day. I have gone to the do not call website and complained, but the
bureaucracy has done nothing. Here are some government workers I wouldn't
mind getting rid of.
As usual, Mr. Chaffetz gives absolutely no specifics on which agencies, which
department, and which workers will take the brunt of his cuts. Is he going to
cut across the board? Is he going to target specific career fields? Is he
going to target certain agencies? Is he going to target the DoD, NSA, and VA?
Is he only going to target agencies who don't have employees in his
district? So he wants to move away from the GS system for pay.
Great. What is his alternative? What specific measures does he propose to
evaluate and pay employees? He's been on the Subcommittee on Federal
Workforce, U.S. Postal Service and Labor Policy for five years, and yet no
formal plan has been put forth. As a federal employee, I love my
work and believe the work I do on behalf of our great country is of value. I
would like to know what his exact plans are, rather than just spewing the same
tired figures year after year and not accomplishing anything.
Sounds great on pater but is the private sector ready to absorb these jobs?
Right now anyway? If not, this would certainly put more people out of work and
increase unemployment. To Chafetz and other like minded people, these are just
numbers but there are people behind these numbers and their families. If there
were jobs these people could go to I would feel better about it all I suppose
but I'm not sure this will improve the government or the economy in the
short term certainly.
Right on Mr Chaffetz! (But read on a little)1. I like Mr
Paul's choice of bureaucracies to eliminate. 2. I agree with
the poster who extended the discussion on money saving by asking to consider the
vast military complex and its near ubiquitous presence world wide.3.
Why mention "entitlements", Jason? When a Republican (or a
Democrat come to that) says "entitlements" he means Social Security.
Hands off that; it's not your money, it's paid for; your guys
(Congress) spent it and need to restore it.
"Federal government should reduce the size... of the federal
workforce"Perhaps the government could stop sending tax dollars
to other countries first... such as Egypt, etc.
Know ye them by their deeds. And desires. When a businessman takes
a job with government you might think that his loyalties would change from the
business cult to the general welfare of the nation and it’s people. It ain’t necessarily so.Decreasing the federal
government, limiting it’s size and authority, removing the services it
performs take away freedom from the American people. Doing the
things Mr. Chaffetz desires will reduce the rules and regulations on business
which in turn will reduce the freedom of the consumer/workers rights and
freedoms.Freedom to purchase properly made products, healthy
products, and work safely and with proper rewards. If the 50 state
governments take responsibility for the lost services and regulations, it will
cost much more than the one source of the federal government and it just
won’t be done. The only government we have that is concerned
with the rights and freedoms of people is our federal government. It the
business world succeeds in the takeover of our federal government, as it has
with state and local governments, Americans will no longer have increased
freedom but will be enslaved by commercial interests.
Eliminate TSA and Homeland security. Great idea. Homeland Security includes
the Border Patrol.And why be concerned if the airline passenger in
the seat next to us has a bomb. Who needs TSA.
Another train of thought would be to eliminate overlapping agencies and/or
consdense departments.1) Combine Interior, Energy, & Agriculture
2) Meld VA & HHS 3) Merge Transportation & CommerceFinally,
Eliminate TSA & Homeleand Security.
Chaffetz fails to mention that he is one of those federal employees making more
than $100,000 per year. Perhaps he should take his own medicine and slash his
own salary to bring it in line with the private sector.Chaffetz's plan is nonsense. Instead of indiscriminately eliminating
positions by salary, he should propose eliminating positions that do not relate
to the governments central purpose. As a start, all entitlement programs and
their positions should be eliminated.The elimination of entitlement
programs would balance the budget in an instant. The elimination of the jobs in
those programs will result in additional savings.We shall see
whether Chaffetz is all talk, or if he will take action. Unless he leads the
effort to abolish entitlement programs, we will know that he is simply just a
Many federal employees are college educated, engineers, lawyers, CPAs etc. Of
course they do deserve to be well compensated. WIth that in mind I do agree
their is room to make cuts. One issue I never hear debated is the number of
paid holidays for federal employees. I believe there are eleven. I can think
of five that need to go. How much would that save in tax dollars.
In other words, Chaffetz wants to make more people unemployed. Why am I not
surprized.Chaffetz is the one who should lose his job.
The best gauge of the number of federal employees is the ratio of workers per
1000 residents of the U.S. That figure peaked at 14.4 in 1970. Today it is down
to 8.4, lower than it was under Reagan, Bush Sr., or Bush Jr.
" the federal government should begin now to reduce the size and scope of
the federal workforce to a more sustainable level."Fine. We
don't need a military budget that is three times higher than China's.
Start there. Trim the Pentagon by 40% so we only spend twice as on our military
much as China.When we see Mr.Chaffetz defend closing Hill Air Force
Base and trimming federal spending in Utah down to be less than, instead of
more than, the dollars that Utah sends to Washinton in taxes, then I'll
take him seriously.Until then, he's just another shallow,
cynical politician blowing the Tea Party dog whistle.