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Published: Wednesday, March 28 2012 10:00 p.m. MDT

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atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@RivertonCougar
"Um, I think Genesis makes it clear that the creation of humans came before the creation of animals. What version of the Holy Bible do you read?"

Read Genesis 1:20-26. Animals came before humans. I use KJV and looked it up on the LDS scripture site.

ulvegaard
Medical Lake, Washington

Science is amazing and we have been truly blessed by brilliant minds.

It is also unfortunate that more and more are pursuing the money at the exclusion of all else. It has reached the point that in many situations, if you want to know why a scientific study came up with the results they did --- follow the money. The results are often tainted by who ever was paying for the study (if you don't come up with the results the sponsors wanted, you don't get paid).

I have no problems with science as a discipline, only with scientists who seem void of discipline.

OHBU
Columbus, OH

@ Riverton Cougar

Um, I think Genesis makes it clear that the creation of humans came before the creation of animals. What version of the Holy Bible do you read?

Gen 1:24-25 "24 And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds—livestock and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds.” And it was so. 25 And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good."

Gen 1:26 "Then God said, “Let us make man[a] in our image, after our likeness..."

I actually don't believe in God at all, but even I know the order of creation.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

While we are examining the bloody history of religion- we should also examine the good history of religion. See, that is what it means to be objective, fair, and balanced. If we only looked at 'bad religious people' we would have a biased sample. According to any line of reason or logic regarding observation- one cannot represent the truth by looking at 'only the information we want'. I guess us religious people can be 'reasonable' by nearly every accepted definition of the word.

If one looked at Rene Descartes and Galileo one would find highly intelligent men. They believed in God as have many other predecessor scientists. Just because one believes in God, participates and upholds the right to organized religion and practices it for themselves, and so on- does not in any way presuppose anything other than those facts. I still understand and argue objectively, I still support observing data according to high standards, etc. When such persons claim that I don't simply because I'm religious (a prejudicial argument), they have condemned their own argument according to their own methods of reason and logic not supporting prejudice (ad hominem).

USAlover
Salt Lake City, UT

I'm a conservative who believes "true" science and religion are the same. We should welcome all facts as being friendly and ultimately a part of a great whole of universal truth.

We should promote scientific research, not hinder it.

Oh, and by the way, Global Warming will be disproved in 20 years.

Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

@Riverton Cougar

Re: Creation - It seems others have readily pointed out your glaring misunderstanding of basic biblical tenets. But, to answer your question, I read the KJV and suggest you try doing so more often to avoid this from happening again. If you believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible then I’ll sell you two tickets to a musical featuring a talking serpent, I’ll sell them cheap, say a rib? Regardless, your perspective does not change the fact that the Church has no official stance and members, like me, find complete harmony between evolution and LDS doctrine.

Re: Abortion - Take your cues from wherever you want but you should consider actually consulting the Church’s official stance wherein we allow for abortions under various circumstances. What Elder Holland, and others, never square with is that if abortion is murder then the Church is willfully condoning murder based on the manner of conception (ie rape). When considering such an abortion, members are directed to prayerfully consider their options. So, if it were murder, our Church is asking us to petition God whether we should murder our child. Sorry, that is not reality and abortion is not murder.

Jared from CT
SOUTHBURY, CT

Contrary to "popular" media reports and related claims, the science is NOT settled, and there is NOT a consensus on the idea that man is causing global warming / climate change. Such outlandish claims are not scientific -- they are an attempt to railroad the issue. The reality is there are 1000s of skeptical scientists, plenty of contrary evidence, and lots of holes in the alarmists' research and climate models. Don't believe me? I can't include links, but for starters you can Google these searches:

1) Open Kyoto to Debate An open letter to Stephen Harper, Prime Minister of Canada, from 60 Expert Scientists
2) Global Warming Petition Project
3) Wall Street Journal The Climate Change Climate Change
4) friends of science

Are there scientists in both camps? Yes. To ignore the one camp exclusively in favor of the other is irresponsible. Read what the skeptics have to say. My conclusion after a lot of reading of both sides is that a) the science is not settled, and b) there is no crisis. The socialist politicians and political bodies that want to control our lives through climate mandates don't like that conclusion.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

The liberal comments here are laughable. Liberals don't understand the very definition of theory. They hold onto Global Warming Theory like it is the First Law of Thermodynamics.

A theory, such as Global Warming or Carbon Cycle theories are not proven facts like the Laws of Thermodynamics or Gravity.

Theories, while able to explain some things, are not 100% correct, hence the term theory. Theories should always be questioned and never trusted all of the time. All this proves is that if you want a good scientist, you should look for a conservative.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Redshirt

Your comment is laughable because you don't know what the scientific definition of theory is. Theories are the best (i.e. most likely) available explanations of what's going on.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

Sorry, what I meant to say was that the creation of humans is separate from the creation of animals. I was distracted when I typed that. Unfortunately, other people caught it before I had a chance to reread it and correct it. Of course animals came first; man was created on the last day. However, the creation of man was not done through animals, and the Bible says otherwise. Seeing how much more worth we are than the animals is evidence that we did not originate from them, or else there would be other advanced animals. Our logic and reasoning powers far surpass theirs.

About abortion, the term "murder" does not necessarily apply, but abortion is terminating a life. However, we have seen examples of people's lives being terminated, even for medical reasons. They are extremely rare, but so are abortions due to rape (0.3%). Even then, the church says you may CONSIDER an abortion in those rare cases of incest, rape, and physical life of the mother or baby (again, around 2%). There are exceptions. They are, however, exceptions nonetheless. Abortion for any other reason is taking life away unnecessarily (kind of like murder), for which there should be consequences.

milojthatch
Sandy, UT

I'm really getting tired of this issue. Religion and science fit hand in hand, we just have to get past human divisions.

As for Global Warming, I think religious conservatives need to change their tune on the issue. Even if it turned out the facts are not there that we humans are causing Global Warming, please explain to me why that means we have the right to completely mis-use our planet anyway? Outside of our very lives and the Atonement of Jesus Christ, this world is the greatest gift God has ever given us. And this is how we thank Him? I don't know about the rest of you, but I've never know any human who wasn't hurt over a gift they gave someone that they really put a lot into that was then mistreated by the gift receiver. Think about it.

LValfre
CHICAGO, IL

"According to any line of reason or logic regarding observation- one cannot represent the truth by looking at 'only the information we want'."

- This goes both ways. I see the most irrational and illogical justifications from church members about 'questionable' doctrines, changes in scripture, etc. They see things how they want to see them.

Same for those who wouldn't believe in God if he came in their sleep and talked to them. "Just a dream" I would say. I gave up believing in all of that a long time ago.

I firmly believe this statement: Just because you want something to be the true, doesn't mean it is.

Moontan
Roanoke, VA

Scientific studies show:

eggs are bad for you ... wait, eat more eggs. Whole milk is a killer ... hang on, kids aren't drinking enough milk. The sun causes cancer ... hey, low on vitamin D, get out in the sun. Men should have a PSA analysis once a year ... a PSA analysis has no effect on prostate cancer treatment. Junk food makes us fatter, eat healthy stuff ... oops, lean red meat more than once in a blue moon will kill ya, and white rice'll give you Type II diabetes ...still, ya gotta eat something, try grass. Cell phones cause brain tumors ... uh, forget that. Thalidomide will fix your morning sickness, ma'am ... uh oh, birth defects. Alchemy will turn your rocks into gold ... ah, heck, forget that. Red wine is good for the heart ... wait a minute, no it ain't. Take a multiple vitamin daily ... no, actually they are bad for you. Don't take it.

If one put ALL one's trust in science, one would be buying food and throwing it away weekly, and then returning to the grocery to repurchase it, purchasing and tossing cell phones and then going back to get another one.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

"I’m going to tell you something that my Republican friends are loath to admit out loud: climate change is real.
I am a moderate Republican, fiscally conservative; a fan of small government, accountability, self-empowerment, and sound science. I am not a climate scientist. I’m a meteorologist, and the weather maps I’m staring at are making me uncomfortable. No, you’re not imagining it: we’ve clicked into a new and almost foreign weather pattern. To complicate matters, I’m in a small, frustrated and endangered minority:  a Republican deeply concerned about the environmental sacrifices some are asking us to make to keep our economy powered-up, long-term. It’s ironic.
The root of the word conservative is “conserve.”  A staunch Republican, Teddy Roosevelt, set aside vast swaths of America for our National Parks System, the envy of the world. Another Republican, Richard Nixon, launched the EPA. Now some in my party believe the EPA and all those silly “global warming alarmists” are going to get in the way of drilling and mining our way to prosperity. Well, we have good reason to be alarmed."
Paul Douglas

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

It is clear from the comments here that the bulk of mistrust in science derives from people's religious beliefs that conflict with objective, evidence-based reality.

Comments such as "God is the ultimate scientist" make no more sense than saying that "Spiderman is the ultimate superhero."

I now know the perfect way to throw the GOP presidential process into a firestorm of disarray: All it will take is for someone to ask a GOP presidential candidate if they believe that species, including humans, have evolved over millions of years through the process of random mutation and natural selection.

The meltdown will be epic.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

Truthseeker,

I don't think that you are being fair in suggesting that Republicans want to destroy the planet. Of course they want to take care of it! But they don't take it too kindly when a group of scientists with an agenda suggest that we in a sense go back to the stone age to reduce our signature on the planet. That may be an extreme example, but it seems like a "sky is falling" kind of thing.

Blue,

Of course it makes sense that God is the ultimate scientist, because I know for a fact that He is better, more powerful, smarter, and wiser than any scientist on the planet. Besides, I don't understand how your plan to throw the GOP in disarray will work.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

The problem is simple anything in the republican party today is all or nothing. There is room for science and religion in the same discussion. There is room to say that global warming is real and we need to put reasonable regulations in place. There is room for some tax increases without life as we know it coming to an end. The either or mentality currently espoused to by republicans is not good for them or the country.

Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

@Riverton Cougar

Re: evolution - Clearly, based on the fact that you are posting on these threads, you have access to the internet. Please, go look up the Church's official stance on evolution and report back. Your claims on evolution are not supported by the Church Doctrine you purport to follow, not very logical or reasonable, in my book.

Re: abortion - Again, please consult the Church's official stance. They use the phrase "potential for life" so, no, a fetus is not considered "alive." But, just for my entertainment, please make the case that since conception occurred by incest that God then allows one to "take the life" of that child. Come on, justify the "taking of that child's life" merely due to the manner in which that child was conceived. Your "exception" is neither logical nor reasonable.

Net net, please do some due diligence and actually review the Church's official stance on these issues. I know it is hard for you conservatives to swallow, but the truth is the truth, and it will us all a lot of time in explanation.

labman57
Bay Area, CA

Understanding and accepting scientific data, concepts, and explanations requires a moderate amount of critical thinking.

Some folks would simply prefer to accept the dogmatic preachings of a pastor and the anecdotal passages of the Bible to help them understand the world and cope with the stresses of day-to-day life.

JRJ
Pocatello, ID

There was a time when science said you just needed to 'bleed' people to get rid of the vapors. There was a time when science knew nothing about microscopic germs. There was a time when science said the only way to stop witchcraft was to kill the witch. Science is ever growing and changing according to man's discoveries. We are wise when we combine the current scientific discoveries with our faith. Sometimes science is a long time in getting an "answer" only to change again and again. It was in the 1800's when God told us to stay away from alcohol and cigarettes. Science laughed. Now they join us in what was originally a move on faith. "With all thy getting, get wisdom."

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