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Published: Thursday, March 29 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

It seems clear to me that the two were fighting before the shooting, but there are a lot of questions that probably will never be answered to anyone's satisfaction.

What started the fight? Did Mr. Zimmerman try to physically restrain the boy and the boy was just trying to fight off this stranger? Or did Mr. Zimmerman simply try to find out who this suspicious guy in his neighborhood was, and the boy attacked him?

Did Mr. Zimmerman have opportunities after the fight started to let it go without having it escalate into deadly violence, or was he justified in using deadly force to defend himself?

Was Mr. Zimmerman acting out of legitimate concern for the well being of his neighborhood, or did he have prejudices and a lust for power that propelled him into this confrontation?

Will even a thorough investigation ever reveal the answers to these questions?

Finally, do many of the parties speaking out even care what happened, or do they simply want to use this incident to further their own political agenda, so they will ignore any evidence that may point to something different than what supports their agenda?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Zimmerman is guilty! Already tried and convicted in the courts of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the Black Panther Party, just like the Duke Lacrosse players.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Getting the case right is the only thing standing between justice and a lynching.

Politics has no place in this criminal investigation.

Mike in Texas
Cedar City, Utah

How about the fact that Utah is one of the 22 states that have such a "stand your ground law"? Just how wise have we been on the issue of Guns? I think not very.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

A video of Mr. Zimmerman being taken in for questioning on the night of the shooting has just surfaced. There is no evidence of bruising or bleeding. Also, the lead investigator recommended filing charges, but his superiors overruled him because "we'd never get a conviction".

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

Only fact that matters is that Trevon Martin is dead because Zimmerman chose to pursue.
He was told he did not need to pursue, and he ignored that advice.

Conservatives used to espouse personal responsibility, but now they more often take a position of "blame the other guy". That seems magnified when a gun is involved. Perhaps conservatvies worry that if we find fault with the shooter, we'll find fault with owning guns, so the shooter must always be right.

Jim
Mesa, Az

I dare say that more than a few people will get their fair share of 15 minutes of fame from this case. It would be a pity if this man was hung by the hysteria of the masses. We don't know the facts, but for some reason we get indigent from what little we know, even the highest office in the land gets involved. This man deserves a fair trial, in a court, not in the public meadia.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

stand your ground law=legalized murder.

Just annoy someone until they finally cave into your provocation. Murder them. And then fall back on this nonsense that you were merely "standing your ground."

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Mike in Texas

In two recent decisions the US Supreme Court ruled that the 2nd Amendment applies to individual citizens and not the states. Luckily for the man in Springville he had a loaded handgun in the closet when an intruder broke into his home.

I'm guessing you weren't in favor of our adopting a state firearm .... the Browning Model M1911.

Noodlekaboodle
Salt Lake City, UT

So when it's Josh Powell it's ok to convict the guy in the media, even though he denied killing his wife. But when it's Trayvon Martin we should reserve judgement. When it's comes to trials by the media, the only factor that makes this different is the color of the victims skin. Just sayin

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

What facts have been verified?

1. Mr. Zimmerman was told to NOT proceed by the 911 operator.

2. Mr. Zimmerman and Mr. Martin had some kind of altercation AFTER Mr. Zimmerman was told to NOT proceed.

3. Mr. Zimmerman shot and killed Mr. Martin.

4. Mr. Zimmerman was not inside his own home and he was not on his own property.

5. Prior to the "altercation", the only cause for alarm is that Mr. Zimmerman did not recognize Mr. Martin.

Those facts tell us that Mr. Zimmerman could have prevented the altercation had he listened to the 911 operator. We can suppose that, without an altercation, that Mr. Zimmerman would not have shot Mr. Martin.

A citizen is allowed to use deadly force to protect himself or others who are facing a deadly threat. If Mr. Zimmerman claims that he was facing a deadly threat, could he realistically claim that he was NOT responsible, in large part, for that "deadly threat"?

We may know more after all the available facts are presented, but this looks like a tragic killing that could have easily been avoided.

jpjazz
Sandy, UT

Florida's Governor, Zimmerman's attorney and many other legal experts have stated that the Stand Your Ground Law does not apply in the Martin case. It is the anti gun faction that is using this case to try the statute.

"Judith Scully, the William Reese Smith Jr., Distinguished Professor at Stetson Law, added that, for the law to apply, you have to prove you are the one under attack."

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Mike Richards

How is this killing anymore tragic than the one perpetrated by a black teenager,Shawn Tyson, who gunned down two Brits who wandered into his turf last April. Why didn't Obama condemn that black man for a double killing that was even more deplorable?

Why was there no outrage from the black community when the victims were white?

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

There seems to be much uncertainty as to whether Martin fought Zimmerman. There are the alleged witness reports that Zimmerman was on the ground with Martin pounding on him, but also the conflicting reports that Zimmerman had no injuries. While reserving judgment and waiting for more (and reliable) information to come from the official investigation, the observation that Martin may have been hitting Zimmerman by itself is insufficient to defend Zimmerman's action. Trayvon Martin could easily have been acting in self defense himself, standing his own ground against a larger, older, armed aggressor. We'll probably never know exactly what happened, but the fact that Zimmerman left his car against the 911 operator's recommendation and the report that Martin told his girlfriend on the phone he was walking faster to avoid a man following him lend credibility to the idea that Zimmerman initiated the aggression and that Martin was defending himself. The key question is who initiated the violence.

thpslc
Holladay, UT

Mr. Mountanman,
Zimmerman hasn't been tried and convicted... ...or charged!

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

jpjazz: "...Distinguished Professor at Stetson Law..."

Given the Wild West connotations of this case, you gotta love that title.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Re:Rifleman,

Why make this a race issue? A LIFE was lost. Don't be a pawn of those who are trying to make this a racist issue.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@Mike Richards;

For once I'm in 100% agreement with you.

@those defending Zimmerman's "self defense" argument.

What if Trayvon was simply defending himself from someone he identified as a stranger/stalker following him? What about his right to "stand his ground"? Had the killing been the other way around, you can bet your booty that Trayvon would have been arrested and held until a "thorough investigation" was completed, yet he could justifiably have claimed "self defense" from the man stalking him with a gun.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Mike Richards
"Why make this a race issue? "

I didn't make this a race issue. Jesse Jackson did.

Like I asked above: "How is this killing anymore tragic than the one perpetrated by a black teenager,Shawn Tyson, who gunned down two Brits who wandered into his turf last April. Why didn't Obama condemn that black man for a double killing that was even more deplorable?"

Mike in Texas
Cedar City, Utah

Rifleman. I really don't care one way or another if the State of Utah chooses to have a state gun. I am not concerned about image. I am however, concerned about the passage of laws that are mostly done to pacify or edify the Gun Lobby. At common law there have always been limits on self defense. For example, you generally cannot use deadly force to protect property. Look up the case law on the use of unattended spring guns for example. And there have been cases where someone was killed while breaking in because of an unrelated emergency situation. I don't know anything about the case you site, but I do believe that we continue to invite violence with our unremitting push to eliminate reasonable controls on the use of deadly weapons to the benefit mostly of sellers of guns. Unwise, Unwise.

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