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Published: Wednesday, March 28 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I read an interview withe the Florida legislator who authored the "stand your ground" law. He says the law in no way applies to Zimmerman. Zimmerman was armed and was pursuing Martin. That make him the aggressor. If anything, it gave Martin the right to use deadly force on Zimmerman.

JoeBlow
Miami Area, Fl

Who cant support the idea that someone can use

"reasonable fear of being killed or seriously hurt may use lethal force in self-protection"

Time will tell if this definition is applicable to this case.

But generally speaking, it would seem that in any case where there are no witnesses and one person is dead, abuse of this law would be easy.

"Yes officer, my spouse and I went for a walk in the woods and then she got really mad and came at me. I was afraid so I shot and killed her. Have you seen the nails on that woman?"

Now, prove my story is not true.

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

Incidents like this are the expected outcome in a society that glorifies violence. The continued promotion of gun ownership by every man, woman, and child in America will simply lead to more deaths.

In fact, this case is proof positive that society must be reformed. We can no longer afford to have groups of freelance gunslingers roaming the streets.

We can also no longer afford to allow youths to immerse themselves in a hip hop gangster culture that glorifies violence. This leads to youth who engage in risky behavior that often leads to tragedy.

Let us all reject gun-related violence. Enough is enough.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Remember when that dancer accused the Duke lacross players of raping her and hypocrites like sharpton, jesse jackson, and the entire black community called for the kids to be kicked out of school, the team, and be put in jail for 20 years?

Just one problem: She was lying every time she opened her mouth. The black community lost a lot of my respect on that one. Quick to find fault with white people and always playing the victim card before they know the truth.

And now we find out this kid is a drug user? Speaks volumes for the kind of person he was. Sad he died, but the black community loves to play the victim card whenever they can. Let's see what all the facts show.

GZE
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Because he was "a drug user" he deserved to be shot? A 17-year-old kid who was caught holding a bag containing some marijuana seeds? Yes, it does speak volumes about the kind of person he was: He was a teenager.

The "entire black community" called for the Duke LaCrosse team to be kicked out of school? All 37 Million of them?

And we will never know what the facts show; the police did not bother to collect them.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

Zimmerman can craft whatever story he wants as the only other witness is, conveniently, dead.

Noodlekaboodle
Salt Lake City, UT

@Counter intelligence
There was sort of a witness. No one actually saw Martin (allegedly) throw the first punch. The "witness" heard the incident from inside their home. They were no more an witness than Martins girlfriend that he was talking to on the phone.

GZE
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Mr. Zimmerman's account of the events is that Mr. Martin attacked him from behind, somehow breaking his nose, and then had him on the ground pounding his head into the pavement. But somehow Mr. Zimmerman was able to move his gun into position to kill Mr. Martin.

I have a hard time picturing how this could happen. Did he slam his nose into the pavement? In which case Mr. Zimmerman had to raise his arm behind his back to shoot? If Mr. Martin, an athletic teenager was on top of Mr. Zimmerman, who was lying on his back, wouldn't his arms have been pinned to his side? Wouldn't he have been a bit woozy from having his head repeatedly slammed into the sidewalk?

We'll never know as no photographs of Mr. Zimmerman's injuries at the scene were taken by the police and there are not eye witnesses.

JoeBlow
Miami Area, Fl

"And now we find out this kid is a drug user? Speaks volumes for the kind of person he was"

And consequently, it must speak volumes of Obama, and George Bush.

And the 40+% of high school students who have tried marijuana. (per deseret news 2011)

I certainly hope that no one sees this as justification for his shooting.

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

This is another incident being used to divide the counrty. Supposed "activists" Like Sharpton and Jackson hate the fact that there isn't the kind of racism that existed 50 years ago. They are wolves in sheeps clothing that fear a unified society.

jsf
Centerville, UT

"I have a hard time picturing how this could happen. Did he slam his nose into the pavement? In which case Mr. Zimmerman had to raise his arm behind his back to shoot? If Mr. Martin, an athletic teenager was on top of Mr. Zimmerman, who was lying on his back, wouldn't his arms have been pinned to his side? Wouldn't he have been a bit woozy from having his head repeatedly slammed into the sidewalk?"

This is a good example of conjection based without facts. Conjecture of guilt based on assumptions of events. This is how innocent people get convicted in courts.
You know what happens when you assume, it makes an....

GZE
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

I'm not assuming anything. Nowhere did I say I was assuming anything. I was asking questions. I'm asking them to explain to me how it is possible. This is a good example of gathering facts so the innocent are not convicted and the guilty are.

catcrazed
Eagle Mountain, UT

To blame an entire lack community for this kin of thing is preposterous No more generalizations like that one, please. I wish we could all be flies on the wall where it comes to this case. I just think that there is a dead teenager, and that is sad. I wish Mr. Zimmerman had heeded the rules and not carried a gun. None of this would have happened.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

I truly believe it is time for cooler heads to prevail. Let there be an objective examination of the facts and let the system work. Take a deep breath and exercise some patience.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

re:JCSpring

Wow. A rare comment without blaming liberals.

Christy
Beaverton, OR

Video has been released of Zimmerman at the police station after the incident. There is no blood on the man. No gash in the back of his head. No broken nose.

Why has this story become a left/right issue? Why are conservative radio hosts twisting themselves into knots trying to defend Zimmerman? Why is it considered 'disgraceful' for President Obama to comment on this national story?

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

I agree with the editorial's stance that we ought not rush to judgment. But surely two judgments can be made based on available evidence. One is that the initial police investigation was far too cursory. The second is that that law is completely nuts.

WestGranger
West Valley City, Utah

It is a grievous moral offense to blindly call for the punishment of someone before they have had the chance to exercise their constitutional rights in the legal process. It is especially when the motivating force behind it has to do with the color of their skin. Hopefully one day soon we will achieve the color truly blind society of which Martin Luther King dreamed of decades ago.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I think we we need to wait until the "Facts" of the case are released, and not try this case in the media with a limited set of facts thet those in the media decide to show us to sensationalise the story.

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