I don't understand how the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
could promote this development with advertising of alcohol and immodest
clothing. After all, was this new center not to protect the area which housed a
temple of God? Seems at odds to me.
@jsgahamus: Behind all the moral and religious vestments the LDS church is a
business, and a very successful one. They know how to use church money to make
more money. The LDS church directly or indirectly controls a number of very
jsgrahamus,Secular justifications-1- The LDS Church is
not the only entity that has put their own resources or investments at stake for
this mall. The LDS Church isn't serving alcohol but working with others who
intend to serve it. Partnership doesn't equal philosophical agreement.2- It is not logical to conclude that Bob agrees, supports, or endorses
Amy, her beliefs, or her alcohol serving practices.3- It is not
morally wrong to work with people who have different beliefs than yourself.4- It is not morally wrong to aid others in their own work simply
because they do something you don't support. To suggest otherwise is a
false dichotomy. One can support someone else's right to do something.5- The LDS Church assisting others in acting according to their own
beliefs does not equate to a conflict of responsibility to one's own moral
interests. We don't endorse drinking alcohol but we do support freedom.
Some will drink; the Church promoting a safer environment around that only
furthers what we seek most to protect- free agency.---A
religious justification-We sustain our prophets, not contend with
them. From a faithful LDS perspective no conflict exists.
Delta, there is a big difference between having stock in a company or owning a
company or business, and actually being a business. The church is very careful
to follow the law on these matters. Church money is used for church items,
buildings, etc. for profit companies use their money for their needs within the
company. Dont make accusations about things you either know nothing about, or
are deliberately trying to twist to sound bad. It makes you dishonest.
DeltaFoxtrot,The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is
God's Church which is a gift to us so that we may be happy.Those who rightly understand that fact know that behind every last business
end of the LDS Church is the moral and religious conviction to freely worship
the loving and living God we believe in. It isn't a moral shell over a
business at core.The LDS Church's practices alone prove this.
If you attended every last conference, attended several if not all Temple
dedication, and studied the Gospel of this faith every day- then you most
certainly would have more religious conviction than you do personal interest.
The truth is, our prophet and quorums DO attend every conference, and so on.
They do far more than just attend every conference and just study the gospel and
just attend meetings and just kneel down and pray every day and just love and
care for their families.No, we are not a business. We are just a
people who believe in happiness and a plan prepared for it.
It think it was in the Church's best interest to help revitalize this area
of downtown Salt Lake City. It will attract more people from outside the state
to come to Salt Lake City for conventions, tourism, etc., and of course these
visitors to our great State are going to then cross the street to visit Temple
Square. What a great missionary tool the City Creek Center will be! These
visitors will then find out more about the beliefs of the LDS Church and at
least get ACCURATE information about the Church's beliefs and doctrines
instead of some of the myths about Church beliefs and doctrine that circulate
from those who are misinformed or else want to discredit the Church for their
own selfish purposes. This beautiful City Creek Center will help the Church not
@jsgrahamusI haven't seen any advertising of the beautiful City
Creek Center that involved any alcohol or any immodest clothing. What I did see
in the advertising for the opening of this Center was a tastefully dressed woman
in a black dress strolling through this beautiful, new Center. In my opinion, I
think it will be a great place for families to shop, eat, and enjoy.
This is a fantastic addition to Salt Lake City. The Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints saw a need to take care of the downtown area and didn't
wait for a government grant to do it. I cannot understand how so many people
can find something to criticize in this development. Is there something that
says that, because you are a church, you cannot make smart investments and also
invest in the city where the church is head quartered? Temple
Square is the number one tourist attraction in the State of Utah and now there
is a modern, state-of-the-art shopping and living development right next door.
Would all the naysayers rather have the old, ugly, grey, Crossroads Plaza there
instead? Would you rather the church held onto its money and let downtown die?
Looks good! Hopefully I'll get to see it person next weekend!
Re: jsgrahamus 2:09 p.m. March 22, 2012"I don't understand how
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints could promote this development
with advertising of alcohol and immodest clothing."People will
see that which they are looking for. Some see the beauty of the architecture
and design while others look to find the flaws and imperfections.By-the-way, I was unaware that there were any liquor stores included in this
development. I must have missed it.
If the government did this with taxpayers' money...
@Hutterite "If the government did this with taxpayers'
money..."Yes, but they didn't.
Hutterite,What point are you trying to make? I find nothing wrong
with the LDS Church doing this and I don't know that a government would
make it any different.
huge over priced mall no matter who had the idea to build it. Also how is a
person in a wheelchair to get into the stores. I saw a couple of people waiting
outside the stores while their companion went in to do shopping.
I just don't think there is enough money in Utah to support all these
upscale stores and to support the stores at Gateway as well.
Wow. "Triumphant" opening of a big mall. It's not that unique
either. Most major cities and suburbs have newer, open air mixed use facilities.
Let's not get carried away here. Good for SLC that you got rid of two
hideous malls and created more walking space for people.As for the
self-righteous complaints over the use (alcohol and skimpy outfits), unless you
just build a 3 block Distribution Center, everything else is going to seem
worldly. Frankly, I don't see the problem. We don't need to build a
Vatican in downtown SLC.
OJF64,Churches, or groups of people peaceably assembling, freely
expressing beliefs are simply living a free life. In fact, these are the most
basic rights we are all equally entitled to. Nothing wrong has been done by
living peacefully. Opposing this means only allowing certain forms of
organizations or groups of people, based purely on prejudices, to live and act
freely.rightascension,Your comment seems to imply that a
Church having any degree of involvement in the world around them is bad.The Church is far less political than critics suggest. Limited
statements only on certain issues relevant to our beliefs is free and
democratic. To suggest that any group of people 'stay out of politics'
is prejudicial and essentially promotes a state religion in place of free
democracy- Ironically putting in place what such critics are claiming to oppose.
Unless ALL people can freely express their beliefs- free expression doesn't
exist.-------All we did was build a mall- must be some
crazy conspiracy to take over Utah. Maybe if critics suggested a law saying
"Mormons can't build malls" such critics would realize how crazy
such claims really are.
"Large and Spacious" does not come to mind. Compared to major and even
medium sized cities, City Creek Center is actually very small and humble.
Reminds me of Des Moines Iowa or Riverside California. Perhaps the Church was
trying to emphasize Utah’s small town charm and reputation?
Biblical scholars claim a careful reading of scripture reveals Jesus spoke more
about money than He did on love. One reason why the church disappeared 1900
years ago is due to lacking printing presses, trains, airplanes, automobiles,
reliable mail system, telephone etc. This period known as the Apostasy
wasn't all bad---people married and had children which is the most
important thing; so the most important things in life were on the earth
during the Apostasy. In restoring the church in 1830, the Lord wasn't
going to make the same mistakes twice, and brought technology to the earth to
keep us all on the same page.
The LDS or any church for that matter, could not use church money to make
investments and keep a tax exempt status. This money was from the for profit
branch of the church. I suppose we could say the same things about charitable
organizations.Once again the socialists hate the idea of people or
an organization being successful.The real question that we should be
asking, is Why are Americans so upset with anyone that is successful?So you get a job flipping burgers at McDonalds and never try to do anything
else. Are we suppose to feel sorry for you? Or you spend every penny you make on
clothes, cars or alcohol or cigaretes. Am I suppose to feel bad that you
didn't invest your money instead? How does that make you entitled to
someone that invested money?If the rich really did steal from you,
then hire a lawyer to get your money back. The fact is, most wealthy people
never stole from anyone. They worked hard and earned their money. The 99 are
upset and are now trying to steal from those that can think.
Best part about City Creek? It was built inspite of the wishes of rocky and the
Libs......I just love the SKYBRIDGE....its a monument to eveything that is right
and everything is wrong with the demoractic amyoral rule of slc....if it were
nit for the church...slc would be the detroit of the west!
LDS are city makers, nowadays we have to be urban renewal fellows. Although not
perfect, I support the project.